5'7 Heaven said on 10/Mar/23
@MJKoP I don't think there's a standard for whether those heights are self reported in the US. It varies state to state and may even vary precinct to precinct.
In many states they probably take the self reported height, in others they probably have the suspect stand against a height chart wall.
I think that in most cases, they would have the suspect keep their shoes on, but there may be exceptions to that.
MJKoP said on 29/Aug/22
Parker said on 20/Aug/22
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One last point
We don't know the height of the guards, but this is what a 5'2" guy looks like with 6'2 range men
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A 5'2 Manson would mean nobody in the first pic over 6 foot - would you agree?
Not necessarily. If those two guards in the back were standing right next to him, the height difference would be far more prominent. Were they posed similarly to that of Hart with Ferrell and Johnson, I think it might be more comparable.
That being said, maybe Manson is closer to 5'5" and the 5'7" was self-reported(as they always do in the US)?
If he's 5'4"-5'5" range he's still cursed with some pretty unfortunate proportions that really make him seem even shorter. Seeing someone like Michael J. Fox he always gives a much taller impression.
MJKoP said on 23/Aug/22
Parker said on 20/Aug/22
MJKoP said on 12/Aug/22
Well, have I swayed YOUR mind, Parker?
Yes you have.
My doubts stemmed from why anyone would set up a fake measurement device to show he's 5'2. Why not an accurate measure?
I was only referencing the wikepedia page to show there are other opinions on his height (Almost every site on the web has Tom Cruise at 5'7 bar this one, and you know I think Tom is closer to 5'8 than 5'7,so I wasn't indicating the wiki page as proof)
In the video I posted, the guard leading him out was barely taller.......is there a US height requirement for prison guards in the US? (I live in the UK). I had seen this on line Click Here
I have an open mind, as I say the 'mock up' height measure was the primary reason that made me suspicious plus the video where he stands up at the end.Also why would even Charles Manson claim a height almost 5 inches taller than he actually is? That's like a 5'7 guy claiming 6 foot - Anyone would know its tosh.
Thanks for your post.
Nice to hear, sir. In regards to minimum height requirements in the US, I'd have to say it's categorical no. I've had enough exposure to the justice/correctional system to observe guards, officers, and other law enforcement officials to determine that if there's any mandatory height regulation that it's either far below 5'7" or it isn't imposed at all. Whether you're 4'11"(remember females are also allowed in all of these occupations) or 7'0" so long as you can meet the physical requirements(tests, health, fitness - which it's exceedingly hard for me to imagine a lot of our "finest" fulfilling, but I digress), you are permitted to work in the system.
And again, I'd put zero stock in Manson's own claims. He, on multiple occasions, and with zero sense of irony, claimed to be Jesus Christ - and that's just one minute example. He didn't GAF about public perception, and was severely mentally ill...but also intelligent enough to be able troll anyone willing to lend him an ear with some of the most fantastical claims and tall tales(no pun intended).
Consider Aaron Carter, who actually does have somewhat of a reputation to uphold.
He was a madman, but also seemingly intent on convincing everyone he was even more of madman than he actually was. Just study him and watch his interviews.
Parker said on 20/Aug/22
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We don't know the height of the guards, but this is what a 5'2" guy looks like with 6'2 range men
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A 5'2 Manson would mean nobody in the first pic over 6 foot - would you agree?
This is the barefoot shot of Manson you posted
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Difficult I realise without knowing the height of the guard.
I agree 5'6/5'7, which I've seen articles saying were on his arrest sheet, seems implausible.
Parker said on 20/Aug/22
MJKoP said on 12/Aug/22
Well, have I swayed YOUR mind, Parker?
Yes you have.
My doubts stemmed from why anyone would set up a fake measurement device to show he's 5'2. Why not an accurate measure?
I was only referencing the wikepedia page to show there are other opinions on his height (Almost every site on the web has Tom Cruise at 5'7 bar this one, and you know I think Tom is closer to 5'8 than 5'7,so I wasn't indicating the wiki page as proof)
In the video I posted, the guard leading him out was barely taller.......is there a US height requirement for prison guards in the US? (I live in the UK). I had seen this on line
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I have an open mind, as I say the 'mock up' height measure was the primary reason that made me suspicious plus the video where he stands up at the end.Also why would even Charles Manson claim a height almost 5 inches taller than he actually is? That's like a 5'7 guy claiming 6 foot - Anyone would know its tosh.
Thanks for your post.
MJKoP said on 12/Aug/22
Okay, here's my photographic evidence. He doesn't just look short...he looks TINY.
Yes, I suppose he *could* be 5'7ish. But that would have to mean:
1. He's one of the only people ever to appear SHORTER in pictures than IRL
2. He had the misfortune of pretty much being photographed exclusively in the presence of men significantly taller
3. Almost all of the pictures of him are at least somewhat deceptive in how they depict him(door frames), his own build, and constantly looking minuscule. 5'7" isn't some freakishly short height, so the likelihood of him never being videoed or photographed next to a shorter guy seems fairly low
4. Reputable people who have met him, such as Vincent Bugliosi, who would have zero incentive to comprise their own integrities, are conscious liars
These pictures are hardly anomalies. The photo you posted of him where you said he looked "short" was actually about the tallest I've ever seen him appear.
He seems to always look this tiny no matter who he's around. I find it hard to believe that coincidentally everyone was just massive by comparison:
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This is one picture that makes it pretty difficult for me to question the 5'2" figure:
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And a few seconds later:
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Even his girlfriend seems to be poking fun at his stature:
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He's actually going to look smaller compared to the door frame if he wasn't standing closer to the camera:
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Sure, the guard on his left has a footwear advantage, but...
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Okay, even pretty much all members of law enforcement were giants back then, he doesn't seem to stack up any better with the general public:
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Well, have I swayed YOUR mind, Parker?
MJKoP said on 12/Aug/22
Parker said on 27/Jul/22
@MJKop
Apologies I've only just seen your post
Likewise.
Start by having a look at point 7 from this webpage
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Seen that before. Yes, it's a faulty measurement chart. The gap between the 5 and 4 is way too large, so it neither confirms or debunks any height for him...completely useless. Furthermore, that website is literally an apologist blog for Manson, along with plenty of fantastical claims, as well as racial descriptions that I probably shouldn't be repeating here. So you honestly couldn't find a less credible source.
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Anyone can edit wikis. You've used this exact argument yourself when someone's estimate didn't jive with your or Rob's listings.
I know he looked short with these armed guards Click Here but we have no idea of their heights. EG Tom Cruise with the Red Arrows Click Here
Exactly, we have no clue what everyone else's height was/is. However, Manson honestly doesn't look that short there. I'm talking about other pictures where it seemed a great number of guards vertically dominated him. And it seemed to recur throughout numerous photos. I'll definitely try to compile gallery. But, yes...admittedly, it is inconclusive. Still, the more times someone is towered by unknowns in photos, the less likely it is that everyone else is huge(in terms of statistics).
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That just reiterates the same claim from Manson's own mouth. If Charles Manson claiming something makes it true, I'd hate to live in this world.
Parker said on 30/Jul/22
MJKoP said on 1/Jul/22
If you can substantiate a 5'6" or 5'7" Manson via credible evidence, I'm all ears(and eyes)
1993 interview with journalist Diane Sawyer
Skip to 19 minutes to when Manson stands up,compare him to others in the room and listen to what he says.
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Again, a redundancy of Rob's quote, which in turn was from Manson himself. As you said, we don't know what anyone else's height is.
I was looking for something along the lines of a clear shot of Manson standing next to Diane Sawyer for the sake of an objective comparison - or anybody of known stature.
Otherwise, no...I'm afraid you haven't really provided any credible evidence. You could honestly use the same type of evidence to suggest Cruise is 5'5".
Every single time some true crime global phenomena breaks out, we have a small clique of revisionists...who often times gain limited traction, propagating myths. It sounds like the 5'6"-5'7" figure is revisionism, as those who have described him as 5'2"(who have met him) would have every reason to upgrade him as opposed to downgrade him.
But if you can find objective photographic evidence of Manson's true height, I'll admit defeat. As I currently see it, the circumstantial evidence sure seems to point more in the direction of a 5'2" Manson.
Parker said on 30/Jul/22
MJKoP said on 1/Jul/22
If you can substantiate a 5'6" or 5'7" Manson via credible evidence, I'm all ears(and eyes)
1993 interview with journalist Diane Sawyer
Skip to 19 minutes to when Manson stands up,compare him to others in the room and listen to what he says.
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Parker said on 27/Jul/22
@MJKop
Apologies I've only just seen your post
Um, unlike Napoleon, Manson was around at a time when there were cameras, measurements that didn't literally get lost in translation, and tons of eyewitnesses still living.
Start by having a look at point 7 from this webpage
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Have a go yourself with a pencil and paper and take the scale down to his feet on the photograph posted by Andrea 23.August 19 along with Robs comment
Have a look at his Wikepedia page
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I know he looked short with these armed guards
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Have a read of this.
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MJKop says
If you can substantiate a 5'6" or 5'7" Manson via credible evidence, I'm all ears(and eyes).
Have I succeeded in at least putting some doubt in your mind?
five five said on 10/Jul/22
I think he was just half an inch taller than Manson.
In the interview Manson did with Diane Sawyer he stood up and was taller than the woman he took a photo with and was just a tad shorter than some of the men in the room. as a guy just under 5’6 this reflects my height in a lot of social situations.
I’d give Manson 5’5/5’6 don’t see him as much taller. Rob what height do you think Manson was, it might be worth including him on the site.
MJKoP said on 1/Jul/22
Parker said on 2/Sep/21
5'2 for Charles Manson is a myth aka Napolean
He was 5'6 or 5'7 so Damon a good fit to play him. It looks like Damon had brought into the myth.
Um, unlike Napoleon, Manson was around at a time when there were cameras, measurements that didn't literally get lost in translation, and tons of eyewitnesses still living. Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi described Manson as 5'2" and, contrary to what some claim, he'd have every motivation to portray Manson as big and powerful as possible(the smaller the defendant, the less plausible he is as some domineering cult leader).
Unless pretty much every person he's been photographed next to(including numerous groups of security guards and cops) are towering giants, I struggle to see him at much more than 5'2".
If you can substantiate a 5'6" or 5'7" Manson via credible evidence, I'm all ears(and eyes).
Parker said on 2/Sep/21
5'2 for Charles Manson is a myth aka Napolean
He was 5'6 or 5'7 so Damon a good fit to play him. It looks like Damon had brought into the myth.
Jkiller said on 6/May/20
5'6.5 (169cm), no chance hes any taller than that.
okbymeman said on 28/Aug/19
Solid Big G 5'8
Mickie said on 27/Aug/19
Funny the guy they got to play Manson is the height he claimed to be. I think the real Manson was probably more 5'4" - 5'6" range.
Arthur! said on 25/Aug/19
Well at least his claim is quite honest. Manson's I wouldn't bet.
Littlelee5ft6 said on 23/Aug/19
Charles Manson is definitely 5ft 2 at best no way is he near 5ft 7 I've seen photos and the police mug shot of him barely over the five foot mark despite what a certain article saya
Andrea said on 23/Aug/19
Actually, having another look at the photo, the height chart doesn't look reliable at all. I mean, look at the distance between the 4' and 5' mark and compare it to Manson's head and body. Not a chance that's only a foot difference!!!
Andrea said on 23/Aug/19
Don't really know him, but this doesn't seem a bad shout with 5'8ish A. J. Buckley:
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As for the real Charles Manson, was he really just under 5'7??? I don't know how reliable this is, but he really didn't look above his 5'2 listings in this mugshot:
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Editor Rob
I do not know, I have only watched the one interview to see the quote...he didn't seem as short as 5ft 2 when he stood up.