Frank2 said on 5/Jul/09
Russell is 5'9". I've seen him several times in person. Always a couple of inches shorter than me.
Leung said on 5/Jul/09
BREAKDOWN is the only Kurt Russell movie I can recall thinking
RisingForce said on 3/Jul/09
At most Kurt had a 1 inch advantage over the other actors in Tombstone in long shots because they all were already wearing cowboy boots and I didn't see a platform on Kurt's boots.
James said on 1/Jul/09
How big where his lifts in Tombstone?
Corsair said on 19/Jun/09
When Russell was making the John Carpenter TV Elvis movie and I talked to him when he drove into my college's parking lot (used by the production company during the summer). He was an inch or two short of my 6', and wearing hiking boots. So 5'10 at the very best, and I doubt shorter than 5'9".
RisingForce said on 9/Jun/09
Well atleast there was a Ratt reference in that post Brad, even if it was directed negatively at me, a good 80's metal reference is always welcome.
Brad said on 9/Jun/09
Go back to '08 posts by Frank2 with the usual suspects about Sly on this Russell page. Ratt: "Round and round....". At least we know Kurt is 5' 9".
Mr T-Cakes said on 8/Jun/09
Rising Force: I think it's the first scene with Kim Cattrell in it apart from the first airport encounter. It takes place in the restaurant of the uncle of the character Wang: Russell is on the phone and wearing a dressing gown, trying to get his truck back. Been a while since I saw this film, so don't hold me to that!LoL
Frank2 said on 6/Jun/09
Russell is no more than 5'9".
slapmouth said on 4/Jun/09
when i was 9 and 5'3 i was the same height as kurt, he ain't 5'9
RisingForce said on 2/Jun/09
I don't remember Kurt being barefoot in that movie. I remember him wearing boots.
Mr T-Cakes said on 1/Jun/09
If I remember rightly, there is a scene in Big Trouble in Little China where Russell is barefoot, next to Kim Cattrell. Now I don't recall the shot clearly, but I think he was about nearly 2-inches taller than her, and she was in shoes.
GUK said on 1/Jun/09
Looked to be an inch taller than Graham Norton when on his show last week
RisingForce said on 1/Jun/09
He only 3 inches max shorter than 6'2" Lee Van Cleef in Escape From New York and in some scenes he looked atleast an inch taller than 5'9" Ernest Borgnine(though in others I didn't get the impression that Kurt would be taller).
Maybe Russell wears lifts in films because 5'9" seems more accurate than 5'10" for some reason.
Doug said on 30/May/09
Russel didn't look dwarfed next to Steven Seagal in Executive Decision. Seagal looked 6'5" in that film but Russell looked like a 5'10 or 5'11" guy certainly not short. Looked only about 6 inches shorter than Seagal.
Mr T-Cakes said on 29/May/09
In The Best of Times he looked a couple of inches taller than Robin Williams.Williams is down as 5ft6-7 on here,and considering Rising Force and Tellem's estimates for Jack Warden it may be fair to say Russell's height is 5ft9: two-inches taller than Williams at his 5ft7 peak, and an inch shorter than Warden.
RisingForce said on 28/May/09
So that puts him back at 5'9" for now. I've heard/read as low as 5'8" and as high as 5'11" for Kurt. 5'9" seems like the most likely height, maybe he wears slight lifts to help him pass for his 5'10" claim in some films. I'm pretty sure he was shorter than 5'9.5" listed Jason Scott Lee in Soldier though.
TELLEM said on 24/May/09
he was shorter than jack warden in that film. i own that film. he looked an inch shorter than him.
RisingForce said on 24/May/09
i've never seen that movie. jack warden was as tall or a hair taller than 5-9.5, 5-10 paul newman in the verdict. so minimum 5-10 for warden.
Mr T-Cakes said on 23/May/09
in Used Cars he was about the same height as Jack Warden, wasn't he?
ChucktheSchmuck said on 13/May/09
I'll give him 5'9.5"
Mr T-Cakes said on 12/May/09
Looking at Kurt in Tequila Sunrise he appears significantly taller than
Mel Gibson, who is meant to be 5ft 9-ish. Funny enough there is a photo on the web with Sly Stallone standing next to Gibson, who both look the same height, which is strange as Sly and Kurt appeared the same height in Tango and Cash! Confusing stuff, but who's got the lifts?
RisingForce said on 7/Apr/09
I saw Stallone atleast an inch taller when they were walking barefoot, especially considering Kurt's big hair. But in some scenes when they had shoes he looked atleast 2 inches taller. I'm not sure if he ever had 3 inches on him though.
Doug said on 5/Apr/09
Actually Sam I did notice that after they came out of the shower Stallone was looking way taller!! I did smile at that one.
Sam said on 29/Mar/09
in tango and cash; he and sly are exactly the same height in the shower scene; and during the rest of the movie sly is like 3 inches taller. haha
glenn said on 29/Mar/09
interesting find.though i think i read something similar.or maybe him commenting on his height once.im not too sure he is 5-8.he looks 5-9 to 5-10.and i think he stated 5-10.
TELLEM said on 29/Mar/09
5'8? that is interesting.
RisingForce said on 28/Mar/09
Here's an interesting quote from an article.
To Russell's credit, he also takes a few shots at himself, most thoroughly with a running joke about Snake's lack of height.
"You don't know how many times I've heard that," says the 5-foot-8 actor. "Right in front of you, people say, `Gawd, he's not that big.' And I say, `Well the screen is a lot bigger than what you're looking at.' "
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RisingForce said on 17/Mar/09
Brad, do you mean Kurt wears big boots/lifts or do you mean Sly wears big boots/lifts? Because we all know Sly wears lifts.
Brad said on 17/Mar/09
I like reading Frank2's posts below. Yes Rising, he wears lifts or gigantic boots. The ones on Arsenio with Sly were massive.
Anonymous said on 15/Mar/09
If Kurt was listed at 5'10, when he played baseball, then we all know heights in sport are nearly always inflated, by usually 2 inches. he was most likely was 5'8 maybe 5'8.5 then he would then be listed at 5'10.
RisingForce said on 5/Mar/09
Yeah Kurt can look 5'10". Apparently next to 5'8" minimum
Mel Gibson, surely next to Val Kilmer in Tombstone, easily 5'10" next to Rosario Dawson(in heels) and next to his nephew who his a baseball player. That's if his nephews 6-1 listing is correct. He also looked 5'10" next to Billy Baldwin in Backdraft.
With that being said he can look closer to 5'9" and maybe he wears lifts. Regardless if Kurt is 5'10" then that surely means 5'10.75" for Stallone.
glenn said on 5/Mar/09
some say kurt is 5-10.he sure can look it.
RisingForce said on 4/Mar/09
And that was with Kurt's big hair. Kurt is a solid 5'9".
glenn said on 4/Mar/09
yeah,i never understood how people saw the reverse in that shower scene.its obvious stallone looked 5-10.could you post that on the stallone page mcfan? if not,no worries.thanks.
mcfan said on 2/Mar/09
Sly Stallone was an inch taller than him in Tango & Cash. They were both barefoot in one scene and this was very evident.
RisingForce said on 27/Feb/09
He looks 5'9.5" if Quincy Jones is 5'6.5".
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TELLEM said on 9/Feb/09
looks a min. 3 inches shorter here:
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RisingForce said on 9/Feb/09
No way does he look 3 inches shorter than Steve Martin. 2 inches MAX.
mcfan said on 7/Feb/09
I see the comments from RisingForce that Kurt doesn't look that much shorter than Steve Martin in a photo below...try about 3 inches shorter in that photo. Maybe he is only 5'8.5 now.
Clay said on 5/Feb/09
This is rare where I have actually seen a big name celebrity in the flesh. I have seen Kurt Russel at hockey games, he's 5'9 to 5'9.5 with a WIDE build.
RisingForce said on 23/Jan/09
5'6" for Kurt Russell. That's funny. He's atleast 5'9", Jason is correct.
Jason W. said on 23/Jan/09
no way! i met Kurt and Goldie about a week prior to last xmas, and he is most def in the 5'9-5'10 range, and Goldie did seem around 5'5 to 5'6 to me.
hamletmiss said on 19/Jan/09
This is funny. Twelve years ago, a coworker had the privilege to go to the Waldorf for an event honoring Goldie Hawn. She did get to meet Kurt Russell as well, and I know this is going to be hard to believe. Forget the pics of Goldie and Kurt. According to my coworker, Kurt was very little, and get this, stood no more than 5'6." Goldie, hard to believe this, was no taller than him in her heels, and with Kurt being 5'6," you would think that Goldie would topple over him in heels. Both are smaller than anyone would ever imagine.
Let's face it. I'm 5'6," and my husband is also 5'6." If Goldie was really 5'6," as all sources claim her to be, then she and Kurt could be like me and my husband.
Mister Lennon said on 16/Jan/09
I would say more an strong 5'9 for Kurt at peak, now a little shorter.
Anonymous said on 15/Jan/09
I can agree with 5'8.5 peak, now 5'8
RisingForce said on 15/Jan/09
I can agree with 5'9" for now but I'd say he's more likely 5'10" than 5'8".
TELLEM said on 14/Jan/09
5'9 seems about right for him...mr. r saw him between 5'8 and 5'9...i wouldn't rule 5'8ish either, but i'll just say 5'9
RisingForce said on 11/Jan/09
Ridiculous sighting from the Los Angeles times.
"Did I tell you about the time I met Kurt Russell? I walked right by him, he's only 5-3 you know"
That's about as bad as the 5-4, 5-5, 5-6 sightings for Arnold.
RisingForce said on 29/Dec/08
But wasn't he taller than Ernest Borgnine in that movie? Then again he had boots and he didn't really tower over Donald Pleasance who was 5-6 max and likely shorter by the time of that movie.
Lenad said on 18/Dec/08
He looked 5'9 tops in escape from New York
RisingForce said on 2/Dec/08
Not the best pictures but Kurt sure does seem to have 4" on 5'6" Goldie Hawn and they're both in sandals or flip flops.
Click HereClick HereClick HereGoldie is closer to the camera in every picture but in all of the pictures except the last Kurt has better posture.
He could be 5'9" or 5'10" but more points to 5'10".
RisingForce said on 26/Nov/08
Time for an upgrade, he almost always looks 5'10"
He looks taller than
Mel Gibson(listed 5'9.5" here)
Click HereHe doesn't look much shorter than Steve Martin(listed 5'11.5" here)
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RisingForce said on 17/Nov/08
Rob, what makes you think Kurt is 5'9" and not 5'10"? He looks 5'10" in about every picture I've seen him in.
Kurt looks less than 2" shorter than Ving Rhames(listed 5'11.5" here)
Click HereKurt looks less than 2" shorter than Steve Martin(listed 5'11.5" here)
Click HereKurt looks only 2" shorter than 6-1 listed baseball player Matt Franco
Click HereKurt described as 5'11"
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RisingForce said on 12/Nov/08
I agree but more likely closer to 5'10". He usually looks 5'10" and I've seen almost no signs of him wearing lifts or elevator shoes.
anonymous said on 11/Nov/08
He's five foot 9-10.
RisingForce said on 15/Oct/08
Maybe more like 3" or 3.5" taller than Dawson but that's still surprising.
RisingForce said on 14/Oct/08
More pictures that suggest he could be 5'10"
Kurt shockingly looks 4" taller than 5'7" Rosario Dawson
Click HereHere you can see their shoes
Click HereKurt has some suspicious shoes but Dawson is in heels. So at the very least Kurt is giving the illusion of being 5'11" there.
Kurt and Dawson from another night
Click HereDawson looks about 2" shorter atleast and Kurt is in dress shoes while Dawson is in heels. 5'10" is possible for Kurt, 5'9" minimum. I'd guess 5'9.5".
RisingForce said on 10/Oct/08
Those are regular sneakers, I had a pair just like them. They add about 1.25" to your barefoot height.
TELLEM said on 9/Oct/08
Kurt doesn't look that much shorter than Ving Rhames(maybe 1.5" or 2" max shorter and Ving is listed here at 5'11.5")
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look at kurt's footwear compare with rhames footware...kurt looks like a weak 5'9
RisingForce said on 9/Oct/08
Kurt looks taller than
Mel Gibson(listed 5'9.5" here)
Click HereKurt doesn't look that much shorter than Ving Rhames(maybe 1.5" or 2" max shorter and Ving is listed here at 5'11.5")
Click HereKurt looks more like 5'9.5" or 5'10" unless he wears lifts.
RisingForce said on 21/Sep/08
So far for Russell this is all I could find as far as claims.
Kurt says he's 5'10"
Mr. R says he's 5'8.5", maybe 5'9"
Frank2 says he's 5'9"
Barry Norman says he's 5'8"
Kurt was listed at 5'10" when he played baseball
Anonymous said on 7/Sep/08
He is only an inch taller than Martin Short in the movie Captain Ron.
5'9 is a good estimate. Maybe a weak 5'9...
RisingForce said on 6/Sep/08
Ray says on 5/Sep/08
I say Stallone 5'9" and maybe a little change and Russell and inch shorter at 5'8" and maybe change. Russell did look pretty short in Escape from L.A.
Well that's fair, atleast you're consistent. The people who say Russell is taller however make no sense.
Ray said on 5/Sep/08
I say Stallone 5'9" and maybe a little change and Russell and inch shorter at 5'8" and maybe change. Russell did look pretty short in Escape from L.A.
RisingForce said on 5/Sep/08
Viper says on 4/Sep/08
Rising, Stallone is nowhere close to 5-10.
Funny coming from a guy who gave Sly 5'10.25" 3 months ago. If you believe Sly is 5'8" then what do you believe Russell is 5'7"?
In reality Sly is 5'10.75" and Russell is 5'9" and change.
Viper said on 4/Sep/08
Rising, Stallone is nowhere close to 5-10.
RisingForce said on 4/Sep/08
Kurt is 5'9.5", he was atleast an inch shorter than Stallone barefoot. He's not a legit 5'10".
RisingForce said on 29/Aug/08
Frank2, you haven't posted anything that proves you've met Sly so don't talk about what would hold up in court.
Frank2 said on 28/Aug/08
That shot cannot be used as evidence and would be thrown out in a court of law. You do not see either man's face. Come on! Fellas! This is rather silly. I mean, Sly is short. I've seen him short. His bodyguards and security people say he's short.
Maybe Sly uses a celebrity double at events. Come to think of it, his face is now so ruined by so much plastic work that a double just might be his ticket to immortality.
RisingForce said on 28/Aug/08
Yeah Frank2 but what I mean is you said 5'9" or possibly 5'8.5" while I think he's 5'9" or 5'9.5". That's what I mean by strong and weak 5'9".
Ray, Sly has atleast an inch on Russell there.
Frank2 said on 27/Aug/08
Weak or strong, 5'9" is 5'9".
Ray said on 27/Aug/08
Was watching Tango & Cash the other day and noticed the scene where they're both walking to the shower side by side; Stallone and Russell are clearly barefoot and pretty much teh same height; here it is at 1:02 on:
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RisingForce said on 27/Aug/08
I may have pretty much the same type of shoes Russell does in the picture with Ving Rhames. The shoes alone give 1.25" inches over my barefoot height.
Frank2, I actually agree with you pretty much about Russell except for I think he's more of a strong 5'9" while you seem to think he's more of a weak 5'9".
The Steve Martin link worked for me.
Frank2 said on 26/Aug/08
Russell wearing obvious lifts next to 5'11" Ving Rhames:
Click HereI've seen Ving Rhames in the flesh and he's my height.
Rhames next to 5'9" Wesley Snipes:
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RisingForce said on 26/Aug/08
I never said Russell was 5'10". I said Sly is atleast 5'10". I think Russell is 5'9" or 5'9.5".
As far as Denzel, Sly posed with him at a 2004 basketball game. The pictures are on gettyimages and they're the same height.Of course Sly probably has lifts but regardless if Denzel is a strong 6'1" like you said then that backs up my argument.
Frank2 said on 26/Aug/08
For some reason the link for the photo with Russell and Steve Martin doesn't work. Type in the two names in Google images and you'll see the photo. Russell is several inches shorter.
Frank2 said on 25/Aug/08
When did Sly appear with Denzel Washington? That's who I was referring to, not Russell.
As for Russell, he's also not 5'10".
One more time. Here's Russell with 5'11" Steve Martin:
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RisingForce said on 25/Aug/08
No it isn't for certain considering he appeared in 2 seperate pictures to be as tall as Denzel Washington who you said was "atleast 6-1 and possibly a legit 6-2". Search Gettyimages for the pictures, they're easy to find.
Frank2 said on 24/Aug/08
He ain't 5'10", that's for certain.
RisingForce said on 23/Aug/08
I've seen the footwear from the Rocky Premiere and Sly has huge shoes/lifts that probably add a good 3 inches to his barefoot height but regardless considering he has to be in the 6'1"-6'2" range in those shoes that points to him being about 5'10 1/2" or 5'10 3/4" barefoot.
That's my whole point, he can look too tall at times to be anything under 5'10".
TELLEM said on 23/Aug/08
LOL@ that pic with dolph lundgren..u can't even see their footwear...
Frank2 said on 23/Aug/08
The post on Albert should have been on the John Wayne thread.
Frank2 said on 23/Aug/08
If Sly is 5'10" barefoot, then please explain why I could look over his head and I'm 5'11"? And if he's 5'10", why does everyone who's worked security for him that I've met, agree with me that he's much shorter than he claims to be?
One more time. Pictures can be fudged. He can be on a box or standing on his tiptoes. Unless you can see a full shot, they're pretty much useless at proving anything. I've seen him standing on his tiptoes while being photographed. The photo with Lundgren shows him to be roughly five inches shorter. That's the angle fooling you. Try to think in three-dimensional terms. Sly is closer to the camera by at least six inches. If he moved backwards, he'd come up to Lundgren's eye level. FYI The link for Sly and Tom Arnold doesn't work.
I found a company that sells the type of shoes Sly wears that boost one's height by as much as five inches. So let's say he's 5'8"(even though I believe he's 5'7"). That means wearing shoes with five inch lifts he becomes 6'1". When he was working next door to me, he wore mostly custom made cowboy boots that had two inch heels and inside, at least another two inches of lifts. With them on he was about my height, maybe a tad taller. Without them he shrunk down considerable. So much so that the film editor I was assisted commented that he was a shrimp! But perhaps we were both wrong. The security people are all wrong. Everyone who questions his height is wrong.
I give up arguing on this. It's pretty silly. I know what I know and if others don't wish to believe me, that's their right.
RisingForce said on 22/Aug/08
He looks about 4-5 inches shorter than 6'1.5" Arnold although Arnold is closer to the camera. Him and Bruce are too far apart to judge in that picture.
Look at Sly and 6'4"-6'5" Dolph Lundgren.
Click HereHe's no more than 3 inches shorter in that picture.
Sly looks slightly taller than 6'1"-6'2" Tom Arnold
Click HereBy the way Frank2 I only think he looks 6'1" in lifts. I believe he is 5'10.5"/5'10.75" barefoot. I also don't believe that because I'm a fan. I am a big fan of Sly and for years I assumed he was only around my height(5'7.75") because that's what I often heard. However once I researched his height I found that he truly seems to be a legit 5'10" because of the barefoot scene with Kurt Russell and because I don't believe anyone shorter than 5'10" could look like a legit 6'1" guy and still be able to walk normally.
Frank2 said on 22/Aug/08
And for those who refuse to accept that Eddie Albert was 5'11", check out this clip from the old TV series SWITCH where he co-starred with Robert Wagner:
Click HereThey were the same height. Wagner was a solid 5'11" in his prime and back when the series was shot, Albert was in his seventies.
Frank2 said on 22/Aug/08
5'9" Russell with 5'11" Steve Martin:
Click HereI've met Steve. He and I are the exact, same height. Sly is at minimum an inch shorter than Russell (more like two inches) when both men are barefoot. So in the photo you can see that Russell is about two inches shorter than Martin. Subtract another inch and that's how short Stallone is without the aid of his special footwear.
Frank2 said on 22/Aug/08
I wouldn't try convincing you of anything. Obviously you're a big fan and fans tend to believe star's publicity. But I will say if you think Sly looks 6'1" and saw him standing next to me in his socks looking four inches shorter, you'd have thought I was 6' 4". My friend who worked security for Sly has been reading this thread and has laughed himself almost to death.
By the way, here's Sly standing next to Arnold and Bruce. He's obviously not wearing lifts. Looks considerably shorter to me, but then I'm not a fan. I don't dislike him. I'm just not a fan.
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RisingForce said on 21/Aug/08
Frank2 unless you can post proof that was a double then don't try to convince me because you're wasting your time.
Sly has looked 6'1" quite a few times in recent years like next to Dolph Lundgren and Tom Arnold.
Leung said on 21/Aug/08
No not Frankenstein boots, his shoes were very similar to the ones he wore at Hulk Hogan
Frank2 said on 21/Aug/08
Rising Force,
You say they looked the same in the shower scene as they did barefoot? Did you see his feet in the shower scene? Come on! This is really silly! The entire scene is played in two-shots and close-ups except for that opening walk-away shot and both men have their backs to the camera and neither turns so we can see their face. Someone who's opinion I tend to trust 100% insists Sly used a double.
And Leung, there is no way he could stand 6'1" unless he was wearing the "Frankenstein' boots used in
JUDGE DREDD. How far away from him were you? I stood right next to him when all he was wearing on his feet were socks. I could look over his head and I'm 5'11". Figure it out.
Leung said on 21/Aug/08
RisingForce,
when I saw him he was wearing his lifts so he was standing 6
RisingForce said on 21/Aug/08
Yeah but Frank2 you are just speculating on that as far as Tango and Cash. He looked the same compared to Russell in the shower scene as he did in the barefoot scene. If Sly is 5'8" then Russell is 5'7". If you could prove that those claims for Tango and Cash were more than speculation then I'd buy Russell being taller but until then Sly is clearly an inch taller.
I also don't think his shoes were that ridiculous in the 80's. It's only been in the last 10 years that he's worn those ridiculous shoes. He rarely looked over 5'11" in the 80's but now usually looks 6'0"/6'1".
Frank2 said on 20/Aug/08
By the way, I just looked at the shot of Russell and "Sly" walking away from camera in the nude. Not once does Sly turn his head. The shot runs seconds long. Check it out on youtube. In part 4 it's 01:01 into the section. After that brief angle, the rest of the shower scene is all in upper body two shots with some close-ups. Leo, I don't know what version you watched, but they never turn towards one another.
Like I said, check it out:
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Frank2 said on 19/Aug/08
Sly is not taller than Russell. If I could figure out a way to prove it conclusively, I'd bet everyone their net worth against mine. That's how certain I am. And the idea of Stallone standing on a board to look taller seeming ridiculous.....well, all I can say is don't be so naive. Trust me. He's stood on boards many times. That or his tiptoes to look taller. Then there's the shoes.....
RisingForce said on 19/Aug/08
I agree Leung, I think Sly has a solid inch on Kurt Russell. How tall did he look to you?
Brad said on 19/Aug/08
Sly had major hair transplants at the top of his forehead. Very obvious. I wouldn't doubt a stunt rear end and a board.
Leo said on 18/Aug/08
There's no doubles for that scene in Tango and Cash - you can see their faces, russell turns to stallone who turns back. Its blatantly them. Similar heights 5ft 8.5
Leung said on 18/Aug/08
Frank2,
Most of us know that those Hollywood tactics exist but the idea of Sly standing on a board for the shower scene and using a body double for the naked scene is just so far fetched. Sly is simply taller than Kurt Russell.
Like you I have also seen Sly in person up close and I am certain that he is not as short as 5
Lonnie said on 18/Aug/08
Good to see Frank2 back!
RisingForce said on 18/Aug/08
Frank2 you still haven't done any of the following things.
1.Proven you've met Sly or Kurt Russell
2.Proven that was a double
3.Proven he stood on a board
4.Proven he stands on his tip toes in pictures.
Saying that was a double or he stood on a board is pure speculation. All evidence points to Sly being about an inch taller.
Frank2 said on 18/Aug/08
I've met both men. Russell is 5'9" and Sly is shorter by at least an inch. At the most he's 5'8" but based on the fact that he came up to my eye level when he was barefoot I tend to believe he's more like 5'7".
Body doubles are used all the time. Sometimes for reasons that make little sense. But here it clear. This is a back-to-the-camera angle where Sly does not turn his head so we can recognize him. In the medium shower shots he's standing on a board. Standing on boards is something that goes way back.
Check out this photo of Bill Holden standing on boards with Audrey Hepburn during the exterior location filming of SABRINA:
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RisingForce said on 18/Aug/08
Frank2, care to provide any evidence to back up those claims?
Until you do Sly is an inch taller than Kurt Russell barefoot.
sam said on 18/Aug/08
seemed at least five nine. thought he was 5'10 actually
Leung said on 17/Aug/08
That was Sly
Frank2 said on 17/Aug/08
FYI
A little bird told me the guy you see naked walking next to Kurt Russell in the full shot with his back to the camera is Sly's stunt double Mark De Alessandro. Mark is taller than Stallone, roughly 5'9.5".
Frank2 said on 17/Aug/08
FYI Body double are used all the time. And by many famous actors and especially actresses. No less ridiculous a claim than Sly is 5'10".
Frank2 said on 17/Aug/08
I was being funny. Don't take things so seriously my friend.
Yeah, sure. I have something against Stallone. That must be the reason I'm telling you the truth. It couldn't have to do with me merely reporting what I saw. Has to be based on hate. How old are you people?
leonari said on 17/Aug/08
Frank2: hairtransplant?? I thougt you saw him 20 years ago?? He lost his hair ?? Please enlighten us. thanx
RisingForce said on 17/Aug/08
Danimal is right, you clearly have something against Stallone. As ridiculous as your 5'7" claims for Sly are your explanation for Stallone being taller than Russell barefoot in Tango and Cash is even more ridiculous.
RisingForce said on 17/Aug/08
A double???? That's ridiculous. You'll say anything to downgrade Sly from 5'10". First you say he tip toes in pictures and now you saw that was a double in Tango and Cash? I'm pretty sure if Sly tip toed in pictures then there would have been something written about that. You can also see Sly and Kurt Russell's faces in the shower scene and Sly is a good inch taller. Next you are going to start claiming he wore shoes in that shower scene.
Until you provide a picture of you and Sly then I'm not believing your story. The fact is that Sly is about an inch taller than Kurt Russell barefoot and there is video proof of that.
Frank2 said on 16/Aug/08
If Stallone is 5'10" then I'm 6'2". Stallone is no more than 5'8". In the scene in Tango where they're both naked with their backs to the camera in a full shot, that's most likely a double for Sly. Probably his stunt double or stand-in. Like I've repeatedly said, when he took off his height-enhancing cowboy boots, I could just about look over the top of his hair-transplanted head. I'm a solid 5'11". Figure it out.
RisingForce said on 16/Aug/08
You're right Frank2, Stallone isn't 5'9". He's atleast 5'10". Watch Tango and Cash, in one scene he's barefoot next Kurt Russell and he's clearly an inch taller.
Leo said on 15/Aug/08
Frank2 FYI, Celebheights.com has Stallone listed as 5ft 9. I believe him to be 5ft 8.
Frank2 said on 15/Aug/08
Russell is 5'9". FYI Stallone isn't 5'9".
Leo said on 14/Aug/08
Rob, my last comment didn't make sense when I read it again. I meant, Kurt looks taller than Stallone in Tango and Cash and vice versa. I think however both barefoot are 5ft 8. I think 5ft 9 is an inch over the bar.
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Leo said on 14/Aug/08
He looks taller than Stallone who is 5ft 9 here but I believe to be 5ft 8 in this picture, in Tango & Cash
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Clay said on 14/Aug/08
5'9'' right on the money.
Frank2 said on 9/Aug/08
He's 5'9". And one of the nicest actors in showbiz.
RICHARD said on 9/Aug/08
He never appeared short to me. Has looked average to me in every film including Escape from New York,The Thing,Tango and Cash,etc.. He is definetly 5'10 or taller because he is very long-legged and carries himself well. At least 5'10.
Bryan said on 9/Aug/08
He did play second base in AA Texas League. It is a generalization but usually second basemen aren't the tallest on the field.
Mr. R said on 30/Jul/08
I worked with Kurt on the now classic film "Dark Blue" (where I can be seen clearly during the climactic scene, just behind Kurt's shoulder), and he is between 5-8 and 5-9. I talked with him for awhile. One of the pas and I were talking and he told me that he was originally hired to play Kurt's double, but he was way to tall. This guy was about 6-2!
E said on 29/Jul/08
I would agree that he looks 5'8-5'9 in Escape From New York, they seem to have hired actors that aren't extremely tall to make him seem comparably on the tall side.
D said on 27/Jul/08
Looked 5'10-5'11 in Escape from New York, but like they said in Escape from L.A. "I thought you'd be taller".
Anonymous said on 7/May/08
I am a Huge Fan of Russells. Great guy and a Great actor. RICHARD. The next time you watch Tombstone looks at Russell's Boots. He was wearing Huge Lifts.
Heightdetective said on 28/Apr/08
Kurt can look 5ft 11 with cowboyboots. But i agree his barefeet height is 5ft 9
RisingForceYJM said on 20/Apr/08
Kurt looked an inch shorter than 5'10.5" Sylvester Stallone in Tango and Cash so he's in the 5'9"-5'10" range.
glenn said on 23/Mar/08
my peers tell me kurt is 5-10.but does kurt where lifts in public?
Nelssoni said on 23/Mar/08
In the tango and cash he and sly realy looked simular heights, In some scenes sly looked atleast inch taler and kurt others. So I would say they are fife nine range.
RICHARD said on 22/Mar/08
I've always thought he was 5'11 or 6'. He looks so tall in movies and actually looked similar in height next to Val Kilmer in Tombstone.
ed said on 21/Mar/08
watching 3000 miles to graceland...they do one HECK of a job making him look only a couple inches shorter than 6-4 or 6-5 Howie long
sf said on 17/Feb/08
"Used Cars!" There's a movie I haven't seen in a while!
Friend-where was that filmed? An old favorite of mine, even though I haven't seen it in YEARS...
Adam Brennon said on 4/Feb/08
Jason Scott Lee is taller than Kurt.
Adam Brennon said on 1/Feb/08
Kurt seems to fluxuate on screen. His taller movies are, 'The Thing', 'Tombstone' and 'Soldier' in which he seems 5' 10.5", 5' 10" and 5' 9" respectively. He appears 5' 8" in 'Escape from New York' and 'Unlawful Entry'.
glenn said on 22/Jan/08
thats cause sly is 5-10ish.repost what you said on the sly page please.thanks.
Mo said on 21/Jan/08
Watcing tango and cash and in just about every scene sly is clearly taller than kurt so all this tall is nonsense
glenn said on 19/Jan/08
kurt was 2 inches taller than mel gibson at a premiere.somethings fishy.i think mel is 5-8 and kurt is 5-9.
kitty said on 19/Jan/08
This is so funny that I saw this site with Kurt Russel's height. I was actually standing right next to him today. My height is 5'5 3/4 and he did't seem to much taller than myself. It was so funny! I recognized him but, I didn't know where I knew him from. Had he not been in the middle of a conversation, I would have asked where I knew him from. I stood there for a brief moment and then decided to enter the place of buisness. When I stepped inside the employee's were discussing the fact that Kurt Russel just left. I giggled because, I was thinking how funny it would have been if I had actually asked him where I knew him from. He probably would have thought I was dizzy and I hope he would have thought it was funny to. After I knew it was Kurt, I russhed to the window to have a second look and I saw him getting into a vehicle with a blonde! Probably Goldie or maybe thier daughter. Anyway, he looked happy and like he was having fun! That was pretty cool! P.S. Where the heck is the spell check on this thing?
nick said on 12/Jan/08
5'8" sounds on point, Jason Scott Lee is supposedly 5'10" and in Soldier he was at the very least, 2-3inches taller than Russell. He looks so short on tv, even with lifts in his sneakers on Dark Blue he looks noticeably shorter than Ving Rhames whos little over 5'11".
Anonymous said on 28/Dec/07
5-8 peak, now around 5-7.5
Dinosaur said on 10/Dec/07
Used to eat at same place with Goldie and Kurt and their kids in Pacific Palisades. Kurt maybe 5 10.
dmeyer said on 5/Dec/07
rob how tall was kurt at peak
Pete said on 3/Dec/07
in "tango and cash" u can see kurt taller than sly. according to glenn, sly is 5-9 so kurt is at least 5-10, right?
Anonymous said on 2/Dec/07
he looks 5'9 170lbs..same size as me. He allways wears boots so can look 5'10ish
Adam Brennon said on 8/Oct/07
I know this is a heights website, but could anyone offer a plausable estimate of his weight?
Anonymous said on 20/Sep/07
I am totally shock I cant believe hes 5'9", I actually though he was like 5'11", but never 5'9". If he is 5'9" than in many movies he must be wearing massive heels cuz I never 5'9" for him.
glenn said on 12/Sep/07
i never noticed until you posted that photo.i still think kurt is 5-9.maybe 5-8. 5-7 is too low.he was taller than mel gibson in a photo that i forgot had me thinking that mel was 5-7.
Boxing Fighter said on 11/Sep/07
Thank you Glenn!
Even with those massive 3 inches lifts, he looks smaller than 5ft11 Ving Rhames.
I say no more than 5ft7.
glenn said on 7/Sep/07
interesing pic boxing fighter.
Boxing Fighter said on 6/Sep/07
ridiculous Kurt Russell's lifts...
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dan said on 26/Aug/07
partly agree with snakevega and danius,
looks just 4~6cm shorter than william baldwin in "backdraft" ,
so i think him 182~184,maybe
Kelly said on 25/Aug/07
I met him in an elevator in a hotel and he is not over 5 foot seven
Frank said on 10/Aug/07
I'm of the opinion that he's 5'8 ish because of that Tango & Cash scene. Stallone isn't very big at all and Kurt's not much taller than him there. (or much taller than Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky).
mhaft said on 5/Aug/07
I met him at Reel Inn in Malibu. He was gracious enough to say hello to my gal on the phone. Although my height (5'9"), he really was 10 feet tall. A real gentleman!
snakevega said on 1/Aug/07
this guy looks like 1m85 in the movie "the thing"
anyone agreace with me??
how does this come??
danius said on 1/Aug/07
5'9? he looks 6'1 to me...
Mr S. said on 18/Jun/07
He passed inches away by me and my sister on the Warner Brother studio lot while filming Tango and Cash. He had boots on about and was about the height of my 5'10" sister who was wearing tennis shoes. That was 20 years ago. I'd peg him at 5'9" barefoot at that time.
Mr. R said on 12/Jun/07
I worked with Kurt on the movie "Dark Blue." At the tallest point of the day, he is 5-9. One of the production assistants was lamenting the fact that he was tossed out as Kurt's stand-in because he was "way to tall" at 6-2.
noone said on 10/Jun/07
well i allways assumed he was not a very tall man, as can be seen when he is walking from behind nude next to sylvester stalone in the 80s movie tango and cash, but if tom cruise is 5'7" to 5'9" he appeared to be atleast a few inches shorter than russel in vanilla sky.
G-unit said on 3/Jun/07
he really looks like a solid 5'9
Anonymous said on 26/May/07
To me he looks a max of 5-8 in movies, not vert tall!
Viper said on 23/May/07
He looks 5-8 or 5-9 in movies.
Anonymous said on 22/May/07
Looks about 5-8 on screen, not very tall.
Anthony said on 24/Apr/07
I loved "Grindhouse", but it really wasn't for everyone.
And as for Quentin, I didn't like "Reservoir Dogs" to be honest. "Pulp Fiction" is one of my Top faves. Only saw a few parts of "Jackie Brown", seemed entertaining. Never saw "FDTD" or "Kill Bill". "True Romance", which he didn't direct but write, is my favorite film from him.
glenn said on 24/Apr/07
the first movie was ok.the trailers were great,but i knew they would be cause the word out there was the trailers were better than the movies.death proof was horrible and uninteresting.tarantino is overated.reservoir dogs and pulp fiction were his peak.masterpieces indeed.jackie brown sucked,from dusk till dawn sucked,kill bill was ok.what else has he done?
Viper said on 24/Apr/07
Glenn, you hated Grindhouse? Both movies? I thought it was very cool. The fake movie trailers were hillarious. Planet Terror was a fun over the top cheesy zombie movie, and most of Deathproof was very good. The only thing I didnt like about Deathproof was the 15 minute long scenes of talking that Tarantino is known for. But Kurt Russel stole every scene. He was flat out awesome in it.
Viper said on 24/Apr/07
Kurt did look 5-9 in Grindhouse.
glenn said on 23/Apr/07
i thought he looked 5-10 in grindhouse actually.that movie was unwatchable.horrid.
Max said on 22/Apr/07
I meet Kurt on a few occasions at our cottage, we were both barefoot, he is 5'8" tops, both my sisters were even taller than him.
Anthony said on 7/Apr/07
Kurt looked 5'9 in heels in "Grindhouse".
radio_man said on 26/Mar/07
in vanilla sky, russell was taller than cruise when they were in the interrogation room, but then when the went to the institution, the were the same height, crusie its wearinf lifts its so obvious, bu this guy its not tall..
i think he's 5'8 tops, 5'9 in shoes!
Brad said on 20/Mar/07
Watch "Tango & Cash" and you'll see him taller than Sly who is 5' 10.5" so close to 6' he is. Wow, he's listed at 5' 9" above and 5' 8.5" by many. Oooooo!
glenn said on 15/Mar/07
marcel could you please post that on the stallone page.nobody believes me on kurt.thanks.
DC said on 25/Feb/07
I''m 5-10 and Mr Russell was a good inch taller than me when we passed each other in the street. Sandy (below) has it right, it seems to me. You should change his listing, and reverse the characterization -- on screen he appears shorter than he really is.
Anthony said on 11/Feb/07
Russell looked really small when he stood next to 6'4 Seagal in "Exeuctive Decision", thoough Seagall may have had on bigger footwear. But Kurt only looked about 5'8 next to him.
Anonymous said on 10/Jan/07
In "Vanilla Sky", Russell and Tom Cruise looked the same height.
Anonymous2 said on 3/Jan/07
Passed him on 57th St. in NYC once, right in front of Carnegie Hall. 5'9".
Jay said on 2/Jan/07
He's either taller than 5'9 or Stallone is shorter than 5'9. I just watched Tango & Cash the other day and Kurt is taller than Stallone I'd say by an inch (at most)
sassy cat 5 said on 20/Dec/06
I met kurt in vegas and he is definetly not 5'9" tall. I am 5'10" and he was just as tall as me and did not have boots or any other tall heeled shoes on. we were at a swiming pool and he was barefoot and at least 5'10".....not the 5'8" that some people claim on this site!!
Nick said on 12/Dec/06
Franco, you are totally wrong. A 5'7 guy with a big head and a long neck would look shorter than a guy of the same height but with a shorter neck and a smaller head because the first one would have a shorter body with shorter arms and legs.
John Doe said on 12/Dec/06
In the film Tombstone from 1993, a women see's Kurt from a far, and talking with her friend calls him a "tall drink of water."...He was standing beside Val Kilmer (who was obviously slouching some) and Kurt appeard an inch taller. Kilmer's definitely six-foot...I guess they are capable of some things in Hollywood.
Franco said on 10/Dec/06
he is 5'9 and what makes him look bigger onscreen are 2 things :
1. He got a biggish head and longish hair
2. his neck is kinda long
the neck thing is one of the biggest reasons a short guy can look taller because it elevates the head high and as such even at 5'7 or 5'9 you can look 5'11 even.
one thing to look for to recognize the proper height of a 5'7 or 5'8 guy is when they wear Jeans, if the legs dont look longish then he is 5'7 to 5'9.
Jeans and 5'7 to 5'9 are the biggest give away :D
90% of the case it is like that.
sam said on 17/Nov/06
I believe that the line is said twice in the film, though I'm not sure.
Glenn said on 17/Nov/06
It was more than one person?
Mac said on 16/Nov/06
havn't seen that movie in years but I remember that line.. everyone he runs into goes "I just thought you'd be.. taller."
Glenn said on 12/Nov/06
Serious.you know how they always say in the movies "Snake Pliskon,I didnt know you were still alive?".well I think someone said along the lines of"Snake Pliskon,I didnt remember you being so short".I was schocked.only saw it once.so maybe the exact line is off.
Mac said on 10/Nov/06
why do so many male celebs try hiding the fact that they're around the 5'8 area? Like its something to be ashamed of.. Its not tall, but its not exactly short either. Its just a little below average... if you can hold your own on screen and in real life then no one tends to care or even notice...
I remember seeing Escape from NY when I was a kid and didn't even realize Snake was a tad shorter then alott've people in that movie.. and it didn't matter cause he was a badass in that movie.
Austrian said on 29/Oct/06
5'9 is pretty much accurate
possibly less, something around 5'8
but nowhere taller than 5'9, anyone who says 5'10 or even 5'11 seriously has no clue
Glenn said on 19/Oct/06
In my top 10 faves movie of all time.
TNTinCA said on 18/Oct/06
I think he was likely 5'9" in his prime. Maybe closer to 5'8" now.
In "The Thing", I didn't get the impression he was that short. Although most of the cast was really not very tall. Other than Keith David. I'll have to check out the DVD again and take a closer look at the footwear. Most of the cast had boots one but Russell's could have been larger.
On an aside, if anyone gets the chance, watch the DVD of The Thing with the commentary switched on. John Carpenter and Kurt are quite funny when talking about the film.
Pete said on 29/Aug/06
Rob - a slight downgrade is maybe due here?
Reading thru the posts it seems the concensus and sightings say that Kurt's closer to 5'8.
Glenn said on 28/Aug/06
Thats wild.he got busted.
Anonymous said on 28/Aug/06
I do remember Barry Norman (when he was working for the BBC) interviewed Russell and asked him about how tall he was! Kurt said 5'10 and Barry Norman said i thought you were 5'8!....and Kurt replied 'no....5'10' with a big smile!
I guess he knew that he had been busted....that Mr Norman knew his real height was 5'8!
He does look short on film and in some films he does wears boots and lifts! He is truly 5'8 barefoot at the most!
Anonymous said on 28/Aug/06
If Russell said he was 5'8 then that would make Sly 5'7 as Kurt was an about inch taller than sly barefoot in the shower scene in Tango and Cash!
TNTinCA said on 27/Aug/06
Did anyone check out the huge heels he had on for the movie Tombstone?
During the scene where the Earps were walking towards the OK Corral, it is clearly visible how much of a boot they had to give Kurt so he was on par with his co-stars.
Glenn said on 26/Aug/06
Im surprised he would be that honest.
Rut said on 25/Aug/06
i believe (from a website) Russell stated 5'8.
TR said on 15/Aug/06
Just watched "The Long Ride" with Kurt & Tim Matheison. Kurt plays an
Indian and wears moccasins and is a good 5" to 6" shorter than Tim.
Anonymous said on 11/Aug/06
In Tango and Cash, barefoot in the shower scene, Kurt was about half an inch to one whole inch taller than Sly! if Kurt is 5'8 than that would make Sly 5'7 (or if he is 5'8.5 than Sly is 5'7.5.) I know Kurt is short does not look over 5'8 to me and to many other people!
I agree with you Viper that Kurt is 5'8 barefoot, and that would make Sly 5'7 (unless Sly has had his legs lengthened, recently to make him 5'9/5'10!)
Glenn said on 31/Jul/06
If thats the case then another victory to my Sly is 5-10.maybe Kurt had lifts on when you met him though.too many people I know met him say 5-9,even an occasional 5-8.
Sandy said on 30/Jul/06
He is not under 5'9" I was around him a couple of times, in fact, I just checked a picture that I had of us standing next to each other. I had on 3 inch heels (which I just checked) and I may have only been a half an inch taller accounting for his hair. I am 5'9" and I have been since 8th grade. He was wearing tennis shoes. It was the wrap party for Dreamer. The man is taller than 5'9"
Editor Rob
you've got picture with him, why not emnail it to me - I won't post it up
Glenn said on 20/Jul/06
Correct andy.
andy said on 19/Jul/06
Watched Tango and Cash last night, Sly is taller in the shower scene by about an inch it looked, so maybe Sly is 5"10, or Kurt is 5"8 but dont think so he looks 175cm
Glenn said on 19/Jul/06
Sly was an inch taller in the shower scene.so that makes Sly 5-10.some people on this site stooped so low as to say Sly used a double for that scene.HA!
sam said on 18/Jul/06
I think Russell is indeed about 5'9". He may be a lift or a high boots guy in some films, since sometimes he looks taller than 5'9" (i.e. Big Trouble in Little China, Dark Blue, Tombstone) and others he looks a mere 5'9" (i.e. Breakdown, Miracle, Escape from L.A.). He seems to be the same exact height as Sly Stallone in Tango & Cash.
Glenn said on 11/May/06
He looks 5-10 to me on screen.in ESCAPE FROM L.A.,they mention how short he is.
TheJerk said on 10/May/06
He looks 6-1 on screen
gaspergoo said on 5/May/06
he looks right at 5'9.....no shorter.
Frank2 said on 31/Mar/06
That's sounds about right for Kurt. I know he was shorter than me by at least two inches and I'm 5'11". And FYI Elvis was just slightly under six feet. I met him and he wasn't that much taller than me, but knowing what a stir that's caused over on his thread I'll just drop it here. People can belive what they want. He was still The King!
sgt. pepper said on 30/Mar/06
stood in line next to him in a deli and spoke with him briefly. Nice guy, very low-key. 5'8", we are same height and build.
trueheight said on 25/Mar/06
I believe Elvis was 6-1(I'm a huge fan). Russell is probably 5'9 at best, i believe after seeing many photos; and he wears huge boots alot; Funny thing though, you wouldn't konw he was a 5'9er or 5'8er unless you check b/c he sure looks big onscreen
Frank2 said on 19/Mar/06
Kurt is no more than 5'9". And get this: When he played Elvis he claimed that he fit perfectly into the actual suit Elvis wore on stage in Vegas. I always found that line of BS amusing. Elvis was at least two and a half inches taller. If we go with Elvis's official height then over three inches taller.
trueheight said on 16/Mar/06
his longtime stunt double Dick Warlock is 5'10
trueheight said on 16/Mar/06
he's the same height as John Carpenter = 5'10. May have shrunk to 5'9 though, i remember seeing his minor league AA baseball records a while back which said 5'10
Frank2 said on 26/Feb/06
Worked with him too and he's five feet nine.
Mr. R said on 17/Feb/06
Kurt is between 5-8 and 5-9. I worked with him on Dark Blue for 2 days.
Viper652 said on 15/Feb/06
Rob needs to downgrade him to 5-8 at the very least. He doesnt look anymore then that.
175cm16andgrowing said on 15/Feb/06
They made him 179 in one of his movies but we know he's just 175 and if you ask me, he could also be 174 or 173cm tall.
TNTinCA said on 15/Feb/06
With regards to Kurt in Tombstone, take a good look at the boots he was wearing. I wish I had a pic but I did check out the DVD and his boots have a MAJOR heel on them. He was practically the same height as Val in that movie.
Anonymous said on 10/Feb/06
no more than 5'8!
Leonard said on 21/Jan/06
I did security for him and I am 5'9", 190lbs. We both had on normal shoes and he appeared almost my height, but well shy of my weight. Some female security personal were surprised/disappointed that he was short. It's their hang up, not his...he doesn't care.
sugar_rush said on 19/Oct/05
He cannot be 5'11 -- he was photographed somewhere with Malcolm McDowell, and they were about the same height, and M. used to say he was 5'8" -- some story about not getting a part because of height, or maybe getting it because of that...
Height Detective said on 2/Sep/05
http://www.film.org.pl/ciekawostki/poza_kadrem/aktorzy.jpg
Maybe the lifts of sly , but here he look a bit tall than russel.
TheMan said on 27/Aug/05
IMO Kurt is about 5,10 slightly taller than Stallone. From what i saw in tango and cash. Could of been the same height though but somewhere around that region 5,9 to 5,10 is about right.
McFan said on 18/Jul/05
I saw Kurt Russell in "Vanilla Sky." In this film he's 1.5-2 inches taller than Cruise. I saw him in "Tombstone" next to Kilmer and he appeared about an inch shorter than Val. He must have been wearing lifts in "Tombstone" or had special made boots. He was even shorter than Stallone in "Tango & Cash."
Mr. R said on 19/Apr/05
I already addressed Ving - 5'10.5". I spent two days on the set with Kurt, and spoke with him at length during a break. At his tallest, he is 5'9". But I think he is a little below this. He had on regular shoes also, and I and others on the set towered over him.
MHouillon said on 18/Apr/05
Hi, everyone. I´d say Ving Rhames is a 6'0". (At least a solid 5'11.5"). Kurt Russel is never a 5'8.5". In comparison to Ving I think he is a 177cm. By the way, he´s not shorter than a 5'9.5" James Spader.
Mr. R said on 25/Mar/05
The first picture referenced below is from the film Dark Blue, which I was in with Kurt Russell and Ving Rhames. I spent a lot of time with Kurt, and estimated him at just below 5'9". I also estimated Ving at about 5'10.5", which the picture below seems to show.
J. said on 25/Mar/05
I'm not sure about Ving ... he was taller than Tyrese in "Baby Boy". I would compare him with Snipes but the only thing is that he's not really 5'9".
Mr R said on 14/Feb/05
I did a film with him, and he is at best 5'8.5". One of the crew was hired as his stand in, but at 6'2" he didn't fit the shot, and had to be given another job on Dark Blue.