Canson said on 25/Mar/17
@Shane: I agree with what you said S.J.H's cousin if measured early would likely be close to 6'9" by NBA standards. I don't think he was 6'9.5 tho I thought SJH said 6'9 out of bed 6'8.1. For someone that height it's tricky because I'm not sure how they would claim. But for most that are a little taller than me around 6'5-6'7 they'd take the afternoon and round whichever is closer meaning if the person is 6'5.5 they may go with either or if over maybe 6'6". The thing is with taller guys they don't tend to want to be taller so they go with what is fair. Like me for example I finish business at the end of the day at about 6'4 1/3 (sometimes a full 194 if I've laid down late in the day or 6'4 1/4 or 6'4.2 if I go to the gym. So I claim 6'4 over 6'5" although I am a tad over 6'5" out of bed. But more so because I have taller friends many of which do the same or claim there's to the decimal example a 196.4 cm friend who always just says he's 6'5". But you made a very strong and interesting point that many people view height differently and it's not just different places it's different mindsets based on how tall you really are. Me for example I'm a practical person and always say 6'4" or 6'4 and change now although I am guilty of 6'5" when I played ball as well lol. But my mindset now a days is that it varies from one person to the next. Take Rampage for example he's 6'3 7/8 at his lowest maybe even a full 6'4" under normal conditions whereas you may get a 6'4 out of bed guy who measures 6'3 1/4 at night and may have measured along the lines of 6'3.5 or 6'3 5/8 in the morning and just round themselves up. You put them next to each other I'd be able to tell but others close in height may assume Rampage is 6'5" instead based on it. My philosophy tho now is that nothing with height is clear cut but I go with my normal walking height of 6'4 and change because if I am challenged about it, I will at least measure it if push comes to shove and not be lying about it saying 6'4 and change
Canson said on 25/Mar/17
@Shane: I agree with what you said S.J.H's cousin if measured early would likely be close to 6'9" by NBA standards. I don't think he was 6'9.5 tho I thought SJH said 6'9 out of bed 6'8.1. For someone that height it's tricky because I'm not sure how they would claim. But for most that are a little taller than me around 6'5-6'7 they'd take the afternoon and round whichever is closer meaning if the person is 6'5.5 they may go with either or if over maybe 6'6". The thing is with taller guys they don't tend to want to be taller so they go with what is fair. Like me for example I finish business at the end of the day at about 6'4 1/3 (sometimes a full 194 if I've laid down late in the day or 6'4 1/4 or 6'4.2 if I go to the gym. So I claim 6'4 over 6'5" although I am a tad over 6'5" out of bed. But more so because I have taller friends many of which do the same or claim there's to the decimal example a 196.4 cm friend who always just says he's 6'5".
Guanzo said on 24/Mar/17
Shaq is same height with 7'1.25'' Jabbar 09:10 of video
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Shane said on 24/Mar/17
@SJH: If your cousin is at 6'8 1/4" barefoot at lowest and 6'9 1/2" out of bed barefoot, then he could legitimately claim 6'9" (barefoot and is 1/2 inch from being able to claim 6'10" as he is 6'9 1/2 as you said he can measure that out of bed (he's full height). Interestingly, at many pro and college basketball teams he'd be listed as high as 6'11" (as he'd measure that in shoes early in day). At most pro or colleges, he'd be listed at least 6'10. Very, very few would list him under 6'9". Interesting how different people/places look at height. As for losing height from morning to night, unfortunately I am only 6'2" barefoot but have lost over an inch through the day many times. Right now, I'm 250 as I lift a lot of heavy weights BUT I also lost that much height when I only weighed around 170 as well so...
Mimi said on 24/Mar/17
Wow it must be quite hard to live a normal life especially when you are more than a foot taller than the average height. Even at basketball, 7ft is a standout height what more in normal day to day living.
John said on 21/Mar/17
He's 7'1 barefoot, and 7'2 in sneakers.
Canson said on 20/Mar/17
@Johnson: I guess Shaq can be a lot of things but he himself has said he's almost 7'0 and even 6'11" range on Howard Stern and Rob has him measured barefoot above a little over 7'0". A guy his size likely wakes up at or near 7'1" and drops a hair below 7'0" easily into the 6'11" range. That shouldn't be too surprising. But if Wilt measured 7'0.5 and 7'1 1/16 and is taller than Shaq it should tell you something right there that he is not 7'1". You can't always make the other person taller like you do just to make the "math work".
Mathew Robinson said on 20/Mar/17
Just over 7'0" - I'll buy this quote. I was thinking around 7'0.5" but who the heck can spot a quarter inch on a guy this tall. So I'll guess 7'0.25".
Johnson said on 17/Mar/17
@Canson I mean in the picture of the ruler he is 7'2 with shoes on so he can be 7'1 barefoot then according to what looks looking at that picture
The-R said on 17/Mar/17
He's definitely around 7 foot. I don't think he is over 7 foot though. There's a clip on youtube of him standing next to wilt and kareem and he's noticeably shorter. I'd even buy 6'11.5, which would be 7'1/2inch in shoes which rounded up is 7'1(His listed height). But no shorter than that.
Canson said on 16/Mar/17
@Johnson: I don't believe he is barefoot. He's shorter than Mutombo and Wilt were and only a couple inches at most taller than Ewing (a poster Robert Broome is his neighbor on Lin's page and said he's 6'9 and change). I'd give Ewing prob a full 6'10 prime tops and I've seen 6'9 3/4 for him before. Shaq is over 7'0" in the morning and part of the day but at night a hair under
Canson said on 16/Mar/17
@SJH: I'm almost 230. Maybe you got confused with the CM. 193.9 and 193.1-.2 cm at night. That was what I meant by low 193s was where I fell at night heightwise. I was 220 over the summer at one point but have a decent amount of muscle. However I still have a relatively lean body (lean muscle) but have a solid build with low body fat. When I played ball I was 210-220
S.J.H said on 9/Mar/17
@Canson
I've try even extreme like standing for long hours without seating like you mention and volleyball match with my former team-mates, jogging and lifting some weights all in a day and that day was so bad i hurt my back in the end of the day i felt i couldn't stand as tall and surprise that i still get measure at 200.2cm lowest before bed, maybe because i'm too skinny the time i only weigh in 172lb which is very skinny for 6'7. I bulk up 10lbs heavier now. Maybe if i reach up near 200lb my ideal weight i"ll lost more height like you say 199.5cm for the absolute low like lebron. I think the good part being skinny don't lost that much height a day than much heavier obese guys. You're 193lb that's a good weight at 6'4.4 , i would like to trade my weight with you :) i need 11 more pounds to go. My 6'8 cousin is look huge in built recently weigh in at 265lb and always have back problem i felt if he go on a good diet and regular exercise and sleep 7-8 hours for more weight loss he may have gain a fraction or 1/4 taller reach up 6'8.25 before bed and 6'9.5 out of bed, maybe..
Canson said on 8/Mar/17
@S.J.H: that's weird because I'm not that heavy either. I actually was down 10 lbs last summer and still managed to get to the low 193s. When I mentioned standing it would take maybe a couple hours to get down a cm. You could prob get to 199.5 or so if you came down but not below maybe 199-199.3.
Johnson said on 8/Mar/17
Don't you think that looking at this picture he is a legit 7'1 barefoot?
Shaq and a ruler
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S.J.H said on 8/Mar/17
@Canson
My cousin was a light sleeper and he doesn't sleep much a day while he usually sleep 5-6 hours and maybe this is the main reason why he only lost 0.9" a day and was 203.4cm at his lowest and he was fully 3cm taller than i makes me feel a little short sometimes. I remember Alibaba last post have mention he already dip in 197cm which he start claiming just 6'5.5 which he lost 3cm a day which he still 6'6.75 out of bed. At my lowest i am not under 6'6.9 precisely i am 200.4cm before bed i have try stand and walk a long period without seating and lift some weighs and i still manage to hold 200.4cm and atually i am about this height on a normal day after 2pm i lost at most 1mm untill night before bed. I haven't being under 202.2cm for the one time my absolute lowest. I've try measure with my converse chucks at 6'7.5 before bed once so my flat shoe only boost 0.6". I feel if my cousin sleep a full 8 hours he did be over 6'9 and lost over 1"
Canson said on 5/Mar/17
@S.J.H: that's interesting that your cousin only loses 0.9 at 6'8 (6'9 out of bed). That's not much for that range as I would've imagined a full inch but it is reasonable because I lose 3/4" on a normal day and I'm 3.5-4" shorter than your cousin is and about 2 1/2-3/4" shorter than you are. I remember Ali baba saying he only lost 3/4" at 6'6. This may have been before he lost height tho. He said before he measured 6'6.75 out of bed but has probably dropped a fraction these days. In your case tho as well as your cousins I can see you getting down as low as 6'6.5 if you stand on your feet for a very long period of time the best case 6'6.55-.6. In that case if you wear a flat shoe you would likely look 6'6 more so than 6'7 since you'd be right at 6'7" in shoes. You do lose more if you do that I have as well gotten to just above 6'4 (193.1-.2) late night when a normal low is 193.9 on a normal day 195.8 out of bed. I think I've lost height tho as I used to be 194.1-.2 at my lowest
Canson said on 5/Mar/17
@S.J.H: that's interesting that your cousin only loses 0.9 at 6'8 (6'9 out of bed). That's not much for that range as I would've imagined a full inch but it is reasonable because I lose 3/4" on a normal day and I'm 3.5-4" shorter than your cousin is and about 2 1/2-3/4" shorter than you are. I remember Ali baba saying he only lost 3/4" at 6'6. This may have been before he lost height tho. He said before he measured 6'6.75 out of bed but has probably dropped a fraction these days. In your case tho as well as your cousins I can see you getting down as low as 6'6.5 if you stand on your feet for a very long period of time the best case 6'6.55-.6. You lose more if you do that I have as well gotten to just above 6'4 (193.1-.2) late night when a normal low is 193.9 on a normal day 195.8 out of bed. I think I've lost height tho as I used to be 194.1-.2 at my lowest
abe said on 5/Mar/17
7 feet exact
Canson said on 5/Mar/17
@Kurt: I think where Rob had him at 7'0" flat is more reasonable especially considering that he was measured in shoes before. I can't see him as over 7' flat next to guys like Patrick Ewing. Robert broome who is a poster here posted on Penn Jillette's page that Ewing is 6'9" and change maybe he was a full 6'10" peak but not any higher and I even saw once 6'9.75 was his true barefoot height when he played. Shaq was 2" taller than him
Canson said on 3/Mar/17
@Red: kinda adds up tho Big Show looks an inch and a half shorter than Shaq in the ring so S.J.H maybe right and I believe Shaq a weak 7' Show 6'10-6'10.5 barefoot.
Kurt said on 3/Mar/17
@SJH, I'm surprised Rob hasn't listed Shaq at 6'11.5" on this site as he lists himself on here at his evening height.
S.J.H said on 2/Mar/17
Blake griffin say more than once every draft measurement starts in the early morning between 6-7am
Shaq measurement:
Out of bed 215.5cm
@Draft camp 20minutes wake up brushing teeth take a shower drop to 214.5cm
Walk to the draft camp check up point for measurement at 214cm and precisely 213.99500 centimeters rounded up 7'0.25 rob listing up here
Some random short fan met Shaq during lunch think he is 7'1-7'2 wow so huge(unrealistic), some random tall dude can tell shaq is 7'0 even during lunch hour (honest guy but get slam in celebheight.com by Shaq page commentor's)
Shaq told howard stern he is 6'11 (the show maybe start at night). Because stern himself claim with modesty 6'5 and looks it shaq think he could be taller so downplay a half inch. Shaq is really 6'11.5 lowest
Before bed 212cm
Moral of the story Shaq lost 3.5cm a day and if is 4cm maybe fine but more than 4cm i"ll say is disc spine issues or just craps and BS unless he sleep 12hours a day but not even there. LOL
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 1/Mar/17
@S.J.H said on 27/Feb/17
what height do you give Big Show Paul Wight?
Canson said on 27/Feb/17
Height loss on a taller guy like this is tricky. S.J.H may be right in that he may only lose a full 3 cm but may be more like 3.5. I sort of agree with 184guy out of bed 7'1 before bed 6'11.75 however is what I'd go with. I doubt he's only a flat 6'11 but A weak 7' at night making him a full 7' for the day
184guy said on 27/Feb/17
@HeightcrazyRed6ft
Out of bed he is probably closer to 7'2 than 7'1
Christian said on 27/Feb/17
Rob, as it's been confirmed that players are measured between 6-8am meaning a very early morning measurement couldn't it be argued that his original listing of 7'0" would be nearer the mark? Especially as you take later day measurements more into consideration on this site?
S.J.H said on 27/Feb/17
@@HeightcrazyRed6ft
Infact he doesn't look the full 7'0 with 194-195 kobe bryant and charles barkley let alone 7'0.25 for lowest. He had claim 6'11 once and 212cm on an old article i read up which shaq mention "i'm nearly 7'0" which is 212cm is truely reliable then. You have no idea how a true 7 footer looks. I have work with a real 7'0.25 (night) colleague from denmark several years ago looks every bite taller than shaq and thats the tallest guy i ever met close up working with everyday and make me look like i'm ordinary tall and i invite him to my hometown once for christmas event he get stare everywhere and most people thought he was close to 7'3 and i bet you will think he is 7'2 if you met him but his nothing close just 7'0.25 modesty. I trust the fact i've seem. Whatever you think big shaq is 7'0-7'1 you're welcome to upgrade him without knowing his basketball insole with monster size 23 us shoes makes him look even taller.
Click Here this dude is legit barefoot 7'0 american aka 7FootVlogs see how he get measured first time barefoot and 2nd time with sandals by his friend in this clip. If he look shorter than Shaq to you i would say is a lie
Click Here this is a peak charles barkley just 194+cm pushing 195cm and doesn't look over 6.75 inches or 17cm shorter than shaq
Click Here have a closer look. Shaq look struggle to look over 17cm taller than 194.6cm charles barkley (6 feet 4-5/8 =1.9462m)
Click Here shaq had monster shoes which had more insoles than iverson and lebron. lebron is not quite a 6'7 guy comparison with kobe bryant many times and even joke that he was only 6'6 but just a weak 6'7 he really is. 6'11.5-.75 is generous for shaq
Click Here jimmy fallon is not over 5'10.75 with a peak barkley, i did say shaq only look 6'11 here. 7FootVlogs aka Big Beau would look taller next to jimmy fallon
Click Here according to 5'8 pass commentor Mamun met chris evans before mention evans is only 5'11 in person. I'll give 181cm 5'11.25 for generous so you see how much shaq got him? I'll say at most a foot here compress down evans hair. Shaq head length was 10.25 or 26cm not over if you compare him to charles barkley full 10" head can tell the height apart standing next to anyone no BS
184guy said on 27/Feb/17
I don't believe he was ever 7'1 ( evening) since he looked short than almost every legut 7'1 guy
The Great Khali,Wilt,Mutombo,David Robinson all were taller
But he never looked as short as some claim in this site.This 211-212 BS. I believe he is pretty much the listing,7'0.25-7'0.5
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 27/Feb/17
Editor Rob: ...
He's no 7ft 1 barefoot man.
???
Not even out of bed? he should measure between 7´1-1.5" right out of bed.
Editor Rob
out of bed, he might be 7ft 1 range.
RisingForce said on 27/Feb/17
Shaq NEVER claimed 6'11.5". The Howard Stern interview he was supposed to have said that in was posted and he said 6'11" with no half, but in context he seemed to be joking about the 7 feet mark. He was no less than 7 feet during his playing days and could have been the full 7'1".
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 27/Feb/17
S.J.H said on 24/Feb/17
draft camp measure all players in the morning and early 6-8am described by 6'8.5 blake griffin. Shaq is 7'0.25 down to 6'11.5 like he once claim he is 212cm and most people usually drop off 0.25 half an hour out of bed. Losing over 3cm a day is less impossible for the begining 7 foot marked because i've heard yao ming get ask by a china host is he over 230cm out of bed he say no he is 7'5 out of bed and yao had claim he is only 7'3-3/4 barefoot i supposed he lost more height but just about 1.5". I am 6'6.9" before bed and i'm only 6'7.8 out of bed which i lost 0.9" a day and most people thought a 6'6-6'8 guy must have lost 3cm over a day nonsense. I'm the second tallest in my entire family i have a 6'8.1 cousin just 6'9 out off bed never reach the 206cm mark always few mm away as he say and i usually get measure from my doctor appointment in morning at 6'7.2 to 6'7.4 max and since shaq is like 5" taller than i so he can't be losing a cm more height than me in a day at most a fraction more than i. Thats a 7 footer youtuber get ask silly question if hes 7'2 out of bed he say couple of mm over 7'1 i buy that and so is shaq.
Shaq measurement:
Out of bed 215cm
Before bed 212cm
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Not bad!
But Shaq measured 7´0.63" and 7´0.88" so he´s more like 7´1.25" out of bed and probably ends up at night between 7ft-7´0.25".
Your heightloss argument isn´t good enough. It´s not right to say "If I´m 6´7" a 7footer doesn´t lose much more"
I lost a full inch from 6´1" to 6ft flat before back surgerie, you should regard:
People have different spinal disc heights, thicker discs can cause more heightloss.
Some people have an extra lumbal vertebra called L6 and therefore an extra disc that can cause additional heightloss.
Going through some slipped-discs-boards that´s not uncommon.
Shaq out of bed 216-217cm
Shaq evening 213-214cm
Eagles said on 27/Feb/17
Looks short next to that 2012 dressed up picture with mutumbo
Canson said on 26/Feb/17
@Jason: because S.J.H knows how the game works being tall himself and doesn't buy the BS of making others taller or himself. I completely agree with everything he says and what you said about his outlook on it as he has more sense than the average poster here does who would only want to make their favorite athlete or "unmeasured" celeb taller or the height they claim which often would involve inflating someone else in the process to accommodate
Jason said on 24/Feb/17
@S.J.H. This post makes the most sense out of all of them to me!
S.J.H said on 24/Feb/17
draft camp measure all players in the morning and early 6-8am described by 6'8.5 blake griffin. Shaq is 7'0.25 down to 6'11.5 like he once claim he is 212cm and most people usually drop off 0.25 half an hour out of bed. Losing over 3cm a day is less impossible for the begining 7 foot marked because i've heard yao ming get ask by a china host is he over 230cm out of bed he say no he is 7'5 out of bed and yao had claim he is only 7'3-3/4 barefoot i supposed he lost more height but just about 1.5". I am 6'6.9" before bed and i'm only 6'7.8 out of bed which i lost 0.9" a day and most people thought a 6'6-6'8 guy must have lost 3cm over a day nonsense. I'm the second tallest in my entire family i have a 6'8.1 cousin just 6'9 out off bed never reach the 206cm mark always few mm away as he say and i usually get measure from my doctor appointment in morning at 6'7.2 to 6'7.4 max and since shaq is like 5" taller than i so he can't be losing a cm more height than me in a day at most a fraction more than i. Thats a 7 footer youtuber get ask silly question if hes 7'2 out of bed he say couple of mm over 7'1 i buy that and so is shaq.
Shaq measurement:
Out of bed 215cm
Before bed 212cm
Duhon said on 23/Feb/17
What's the height difference between Anthony Davis and Demarcus Cousins?
Click Here Demarcus was measured at 6'9.5" barefoot and Davis was measured at 6'9.25", Davis states he's grown since then and he certainly looks like it next to Cousins.
joe### said on 23/Feb/17
Zydrunas Ilgauskas is 7´2 barefoot
never looks 7´3
Mark(5'9.25") said on 22/Feb/17
I wouldn't say 7'1" barefoot, but Shaw is definitely a bit over 7'0". He is a bit shorter than Dikembe. He comes close to Zydrunas Ilgauskas who was measured 7'3".
Mark(5'9.25") said on 22/Feb/17
Shaq was behind the camera with mutombo. Also, he did appear abit taller than mutombo with the top of their heads.
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joe### said on 22/Feb/17
Dikembe is 7´1.25
Canson said on 22/Feb/17
Shaq is max 7'. He's an inch under mutombo
Johnson said on 22/Feb/17
Shaq looks taller than Pau Gasol, measured 214.5 and who claims 2.15. Pau is slightly taller than his brother Marc Gasol, listed 216 and claiming 213
Jason said on 20/Feb/17
Click Here. Having trouble posting pictures but if you Google images Shaq with Dikembe you can clearly see at least an inch difference. Duke be has been measured officially measured at 7'1". Charles Barkly 6'4.75" Shaq is a max of 7" taller.
RoelC said on 20/Feb/17
Some newspaper clippings of his draft measurement. DraftExpress seems to be correct that he was measured 7ft without shoes.
These clippings al say he was measured at 7ft (or just over 7ft).
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Editor Rob
yeah, the 'just over 7 feet' is the reason I ended up giving the 1/4...he was measured roughly 7ft-7ft 0.25 range barefeet, I'll include that mention at the top as I think it's the best we have...
He's no 7ft 1 barefoot man.
Mark(5'9.25") said on 15/Feb/17
Also, Cardarople looks under 6'4" as a big 6'4" or near 6'5" person should be above Shaq's mouth which isn't the case.
Mark(5'9.25 said on 14/Feb/17
@S.J.H
Matty Cardarople had larger hair. Did I also mention Shaq was slighlty further away from the camera and has more worst posture than Cardarople.
Shaq is a legit 7'0' and is a bit over it.
Jason said on 14/Feb/17
Rob, Britain's former tallest man Chris Greenwr was measurement in the evening in front of a TV audience with Ian Wright in 1999. He was 7'4.25" barefoot. He was listed at this time as 7'6.25" by Guinness. The guy from Guinness who measured him looked a bit puzzled, paused then said 'so with this measurement this puts your daily average at 7'6.25". How could this have been unless he measured 7'8.25" out of bed which I find extremely unlikely.
Editor Rob
Is it possible he shrunk a bit in height...4 inches of shrinkage through the day seems rather excessive...
Mark(5'9.25 said on 13/Feb/17
No. I believe Shaq is a bit over 7'0" like he's listed.
Editor Rob
I think it is probably more fair that he measured a bit over 7ft, with big guys some really might shrink 1.5 inches from morning to night, it's a big variance.
Kurt said on 11/Feb/17
Hi Rob, do you think Shaq gained 0.25 in from his barefoot 7ft 0in measurement in NBA drafts?
mrtguy said on 6/Feb/17
Rob, if you were to look (not compare) a size 18EEEEEE pair of shoe to just size 23A shoe do you think it would be harder to tell which one is truly larger and bigger??
S.J.H said on 1/Feb/17
@Mark(5'9.25
7'0 high chance but not over only out of bed
Mark(5'9.25 said on 1/Feb/17
7'0"-7'1".
S.J.H said on 30/Jan/17
Odd angle and disadvantage posture for Shaq but putting kobe bryant looking 6'6. One true point is that Shaq is not over 7'0 and possible like he once claim he was 6'11 and the other time 6'11.5 and i buy his both claim and 7'0 listing but not those ridiculous believing of 7'1, 7'2 way impossible
Click Here Shaq with monster shoes doesn't look 7'0 here
Canson said on 15/Jan/17
He's over 7'1" out of bed and maybe at his lowest per his appearance on Howard stern he may drop sub 7'0" ever so slightly. I don't see solid 6'11" but do see maybe 6'11.75 as a low for him
184guy said on 13/Jan/17
@Franck
This is a funny video.Both guys look so normal and proportional when in the reality the are 1+ foot taller than an Average human being
You can clearly see that KG had a better sauntering about than Shaq but Shaq is clearly the taller guy. I see at least 1inch between than but no more than 3cms. I see Shaq a about 7'0.25 with KG being 6'11-6'11.25 today and there is a chance Shaq was taller,but not quite a solid 7'1er
Bard said on 13/Jan/17
He's pretty much 7', maybe more, maybe less depending on the time of day.
Franck 189_187 cm said on 12/Jan/17
Here is a new video with Shaq invited in the Kevin Garnett show Area 21 :
Area 21: Evolution Of Today's Bigs on Youtube or the link :
Click Here
The comparison is clear between Shaq en Kevin garnett, but KG have the footware advantage with 2 or 3cm more, Shaq is definitly 213cm barefoot and if you look closely Shaq have bad posture, with a lot of weight and really thin shoes and still a bit taller, if shaq is standing in a really good posture i can see 214cm ,Kg is somewhere between 210 and 211 cm at night barefoot....
Johnson said on 12/Jan/17
With
Robert Wadlow he looks 7'2 on his shoes just in that mark. Legit 7'1 for Shaq
Canson said on 12/Jan/17
@Brad: I don't think it's 3". Maybe he gets close to 2. Where he'd be 7'1.5 in sneaks and a hair under 7'0" by 730 tipoff
184guy said on 10/Jan/17
@Brad said on 8/Jan/17
So Shaq uses high heels ? Interesting...
Chris said on 9/Jan/17
I bit over7 feet barefoot.
Brad said on 8/Jan/17
You hsve to remember those HUGE shoes would give him 2-3 inchs easy in height
I would have him just under the 7feet range as his weight would have taken nearly an inch away
184guy said on 8/Jan/17
Shaq measures no less than 7'2 in footwear and I doubt his sneakers and shoes give 2-2,5 inches. Unless he uses lifts ( very unlikely) .
Guyster said on 7/Jan/17
Shaq is still in the 7'1 range today, he looks to be a good 3 inches taller than Big show today.
Canson said on 6/Jan/17
@Sean: I think lowest (normal) would be 6'11.75ish on a regular day. Many people can come down another 1/4" or so so it's possible 6'11.5 or .25" on an extreme day. But I agree he is for lack of a better word 7' tall avg
Sean said on 5/Jan/17
Rob,
Shaq once said on Howard Stern Show that he was 6'11.5" indeed he is that height, but apparently it's his lowest barefoot measurement of the day. This would coincide with the 7'0" you correctly have him marked at. Out of bed he is likely very close to 7'1".
David said on 1/Jan/17
Peak Shaq was closer to 7'2" than he was to 7'0" barefoot. Shaq was VERY VERY close in height to Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas was measured 7'3" barefoot and he may be as tall as 7'3.75" right out of bed. He was likely 7'5"+ in shoes since size 23 shoes usually have 2"+ soles. There no way Shaq was 3 or 3.5" shorter than Zydrunas Ilgauskas
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I've seen Shaq and Zydrunas Ilgauskas in person standing next to each other and there is less than 1" height differeece between them.
Rob, Shaq needs a MAJOR HEIGHT UPGRADE because he grew significantly since his height was measured. Shaq was shorter than Tree Rollins his rookie year in Orlando, but he was much taller than Tree Rollins by the time he got to L.A.
Rifle said on 23/Dec/16
Rob,
Do you think 214 cm is possible for Shaq?
Regards
Editor Rob
7ft and a fraction is of course always possible.
Canson said on 20/Dec/16
That is correct he is for most purposes a solid 7'. Probably 6'11.75 maybe a hair under at his lowest roundable enough to say he is 7' flat. 7'1-7'2" in shoes. And I agree He did start wearing thicker footwear when he began playing for the lakers as someone else here on the site previously posted
Anonymous the anonymous said on 15/Dec/16
I think he is 7ft but listed at 7'1" with his shoes. There was once even a show called dunk king on NBA tv and the announcers said that he was 7'2"
joe### said on 15/Dec/16
Canson
6'11.75 maybe the night
joe### said on 14/Dec/16
He looks 7'0 with Kevin garnett
Canson said on 14/Dec/16
Lol! I've heard it all now. Shaq measured after "evening practice". People will make up anything to make someone taller lol
Canson said on 14/Dec/16
I agree with you, Mathew Robinson. Drew is around 6'5.5. I remember Peyton Manning even saying that drew went out of his way to say that and not 6'6 because he didn't want to be "slower". Possibly a full 197. Shaq at 6'11.75ish sounds about right. 6-6'.5" looks right
David said on 13/Dec/16
Sha is taller then big show
Mathew Robinson (190 cm) said on 13/Dec/16
Editor Rob: actually since that guy is nearer, the difference could be more 7 inch range!
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I think 6'5.5" for Drew and 7'0" for Shaq seem like fair estimates for the two. It appears like a 6" difference or less to me, but the angle favors Drew so I think somewhere between 6 and 7 inches makes sense.
JoeSchmo said on 11/Dec/16
A legit 7 foot 1
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 9/Dec/16
Still can not see him under 7ft0.5in. no indication for heightloss.
Mathew Robinson (190 cm) said on 6/Dec/16
Rob, do you agree that Drew Bledsoe was probably one of those rare athletes who was rounded down? He was listed at 6'5", but I believe looking at photos of him next to Tom Brady that he looks a comfortable 197 cm. Anyways, I ask because here he is with Shaq:
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Editor Rob
actually since that guy is nearer, the difference could be more 7 inch range!
Canson said on 6/Dec/16
Agree with James. I'd say he's 6'11.5-7' zone (a weak 7') who would easily be 7' range for most of the morning
James said on 5/Dec/16
I think Shaq can range from 6'11-7'(bare feet height). I'm gonna go with 6'11.5. He wears huge shoes that bring him to 7'1
Nils said on 5/Dec/16
It makes it much harder to determine his true height..
i mean he could measure over 7'1 and under 7'0 on different occacions
probably he remembers being measured 7'1 at some point
Mathew Robinson (190 cm) said on 4/Dec/16
What do you think the height difference between these two is?
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Editor Rob
the guy could be in 6ft 6 range.
Nils said on 3/Dec/16
Rob u think it's possible guys his height can drop 2 inches during a day? i mean it makes sense the spine is much larger.
a guy who was measured 2.52m dropped to 2.46m in just some hours.
Editor Rob
considering there are guys in New York who go from 5ft 8 to 5ft 6.5, a 7ft 2 to 7ft Shaq wouldn't be hard to believe, would it ;)
Elite said on 1/Dec/16
I think he's 212cm
joe### said on 28/Nov/16
Rob, shaq has two measurements at 21 years old 7'0.63 and 7'0.88 I think 7'0.25 would be perfect for him
slothee said on 28/Nov/16
I'm pretty sure Daft Express used to list him at 7'0 7/8"...nevertheless I think based on the votes alone with an average guess of 7'0.67", Shaq deserves an upgrade. At least 7'0.5" would be a good shout.
184-182 said on 26/Nov/16
DraftExpress has Mutombo listed at 7'1.25" barefoot, which is easily 7'2 when he puts on shoes. He was already like 25 years old when he came into the league, so he couldn't have grown anything beyond that.
Shaq has 7' listed at his barefoot height on Draft Express, but I swear I've seen him listed at 7'0.5 and 7'0.75" barefoot before. Perhaps they are both accurate measurements, as Shaq has got to lose a lot of height throughout the day.
Canson said on 24/Nov/16
Mutombo is taller than Shaq
184-182 said on 24/Nov/16
I think he's really close to 7'1" barefoot. He looks so much taller than most 7 footers in the NBA as well as guys like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett who are really close to 7'. I know that most NBA players are listed in shoes, but Shaq was still 2 or 3 inches taller than most of the other centers he played against.
In terms of his height range, he very well could wake up above 7'1 and be scraping 7' even at night
Borats Chicken said on 5/Nov/16
rob, why not 7'0.25 or 7'0.5? instead just a 7'0 or would just consider that to be strong 7'0
Editor Rob
well I think he was an inch smaller than a guy like Wilt, who was a solid 7ft 1.
Although guys this height may well shrink between 3-5cm in total, so there's a lot of room for a bigger shrinkage compared to the average man.
Mark said on 3/Nov/16
He towered Cavill
Animus said on 28/Oct/16
I'm not sure he is only 7 feet. Look at him next to Kevin Garnett (who is listed as 6'11.25" here):
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Perhaps Shaq has a shoe advantage with his massive shoes. (By the way, Shaq deliberately wears shoes larger than the actual size of his feet - the space between ankle and shoe is quite obvious when he's sitting down. Jordan and Bryant both wore two pairs of socks when they played, which must have meant they would have had to wear larger shoes)
Franck 189_187 cm said on 2/Oct/16
Rob there is a new proof video where Shaq say himself : "i'm 7'1" , in this video Shaq seems cleary 20/22 cm taller than a 6'4 guy
1) for the first height claim, look at 1:01 in the video
2) for a full comparison with a 6'4 guy, look at 7:02 in the video
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or searsh on Youtube : Shaquille O'Neal being Interviewed by Ice Poseidon at TwitchCon
I think is fair to update Shaq to a solid 214 cm during the day
Vegas said on 2/Oct/16
Danimal said on 24/Sep/16
Here he is in front of a measurement scale. He's between 7'1" and 7'2" in his shoes and I'm sure shoes of his size give him a full 2''
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He is actually a hair over 7'2 on that ruler. Posture seems rather relaxed too
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We can't make an estimate regarding footwear if we can't see feet. He could be wearing sandals or flip-flops there
If Shaq is less than 7ft then Hogan was below 6'4 in 1994 as Shaq in sandals had Hogan in cowboys boots/ring gear by at least 8 inches
randy said on 1/Oct/16
AS dicksock said their is no way that Andre was the same height as Shaq. There is also no way that Big Show at his peak was the same height as Shaq. Shaq might need to be upgraded and, or Andre and Show's peak needs to be downgraded
JT said on 1/Oct/16
A better pic of Shaq and Yao Ming
Click Here The top of Shaq's head is around Yao's eye level so around a 5 inch difference.
Dikembe Motumbo reportedly measured 7'1.25" for the 1992 draft and does not look any taller next to Yao than Shaq does.
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dicksock said on 1/Oct/16
Shaq's height in shoes has been proven for a fact to be 7'2. He needs an upgrade to 7'1" or Big Show needs a downgrade to 6'9.5". Also, there is no way in hell Andre The Giant was the same height barefoot as Shaq.
Chaz said on 26/Sep/16
Danimal said on 24/Sep/16
Here he is in front of a measurement scale. He's between 7'1" and 7'2" in his shoes and I'm sure shoes of his size give him a full 2'', putting him at MAX 7'0" and possibly slightly under that: Click Here
He is right on the 7'2'' same has the other photo of him on a wall with a scale showing him 7'2'',and if he is under 7' then Wilt was under 7'1'' because there was not much between them.
Danimal said on 24/Sep/16
Duhon said on 16/Sep/16
With one of the few humans on earth who can make him look average or short even Click Here
Wow, you can tell that Shaq had respect for him. Not too often that he has to look up to someone that much and be humbled by it.
Danimal said on 24/Sep/16
Here he is in front of a measurement scale. He's between 7'1" and 7'2" in his shoes and I'm sure shoes of his size give him a full 2'', putting him at MAX 7'0" and possibly slightly under that:
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Oanh said on 19/Sep/16
Sean said on 15/Jul/16
Maybe Shaq peak 7'.05"? 7'0" seems short considering he towers over Big Show at or over 2 inches present time. I thought recently Big Show can still pull off 6'11", but now maybe no more than 6'10.25" or 6'10.5"
Come on, really? A 2" difference means he was towering over him? LOL. That word "tower" is used too much in comparing the differences in peoples heights. If the was 6" taller, then maybe I could agree with you on that.
S.J.H said on 17/Sep/16
Dwarf by yao. But stand out proud as a 7 footer
Duhon said on 16/Sep/16
With one of the few humans on earth who can make him look average or short even
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JKE168cm said on 14/Sep/16
How tall do you think shaqs son to the left is Rob?
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Editor Rob
might be 6ft 7 range
Wallace said on 5/Sep/16
He looked right around Seven feet in person. Hard to tell when I'm only five eleven
S.J.H said on 24/Aug/16
Long i have say shaq is never 7'1 and at most 7'0 and 1/2 but now 7'0 seem right on the bet
Canson said on 20/Aug/16
He is a legit 7' guy for majority of the day
Johno said on 19/Aug/16
Decent listing.
Tunman said on 18/Aug/16
Finally,he was brought to 7'0.I always thought 4" was a too small difference with Yao Ming.I'm sure he's still gigantic and probably stands out among other players but if there was ever a legit 7'1 I think it was Wilt Chamberlain though in some pics they might look close but then Wilt might have lost a little by late 50's.
Rob,what about creating a page for Vince Carter?he's listed 6'6 but he's rather a solid 6'5 imo maybe 6'5.25"
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 5/Aug/16
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Rob, they were both in dress shoes at the red carpet, doesn´t sound Shaq 215cm and Big Show 208-209cm much better?
Canson said on 4/Aug/16
@184guy: are you still talking about Kobe? What does Rob have him listed? 6'4.75. That's 194.945. It's under 195cm. I said he's 194-195. End of discussion
184guy said on 3/Aug/16
@Canson
How Old are you ? 16
This is not a war. Is just a site with a database for comments and different opinions
You write a lot of BS jsut to say that the guy is 194 when in the reality he has 0% of chance to be that tall.
I'm not a
troll.I'm just saying what people looks and not going by opinions from my imaginary friends who have met Shaq and said that he told that he was 6'11 range
There is a bunch of guys in this site that have arguments very similar to mine and you are saying that I'm a
troll. Where I lose my argument ?
Saying that worst Joe M is 6'4 5/8 ? I told that because this would be his bareminimum,to a mm under. And he always look to edge out 194 guys like Skasgard and Straham.
184guy said on 3/Aug/16
@Canson
How Old are you ? 16
This is not a war. Is just a site with a database for comments and different opinions
You write a lot of BS jsut to say that the guy is 194 when in the reality he has 0% of chance to be that tall.
I'm not a
troll.I'm just saying what people looks and not going by opinions from my imaginary friends who have met Shaq and said that he told that he was 6'11 range
There is a bunch of guys in this site that have arguments very similar to mine and you are saying that I
Canson said on 3/Aug/16
@Shane: you're right Dikembe is taller by a bit. Prob an inch. He's definitely a legit 7'1 guy barefoot
Bard said on 1/Aug/16
He was definitely at least 7' in his prime. Probably shorter now but not by much.
Shane said on 29/Jul/16
@Flex the photos you selected were awful. Dikembe is absolutely taller than Shaq and Dikembe was 7'1" minus shoes
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 29/Jul/16
Rob,
Click Here He is clearly taller than 7´2" in footwear standing straight, maybe he is one of the rare man who grew after 20 (1992)?
I doubt he wear 2"+ footwear, so isn´t 7´0.5" much closer?
184guy said on 27/Jul/16
@Canson
Do me a favor.Wrote everything that you want to sent to me in just one post to not trash the page with our discussions
About the 194 . When you say someone is 194-195 you are saying that he can be any height from 194 to 195 so .You are saying that he could be 194 yes,that he could be 195 yes,that he could be 194.5, 194.1 194.7 whatever.The point is.He never looks as short as 194 and you are still saying that he could be 194.The min that you could claim is 195 and you still go towards 194 like I explain before.You have even admit that he looks taller than Charles Barkley who you also claim the 6'4.575
After being about 18 months on the site,I can safely say that i Trained my view and conceptions about height . I know how tall is 195 , I know the difference between 193 and 195 and I know how both are such a perfect height for every male.I do not want any other discussion with you about those guys.I believe is very irritating and disturbing for both sides.
The last Ad is : Observe the proofs.There is a lot of them.There is more chances of Kobe being 6'5 (as he looked with Manning) than just the 6'4 5/8 The evidences exist,you just can't ignore them
Guyster said on 25/Jul/16
I"m not sure where the ammended height from 7"1 down to 7"0 even comes from, but IMO I do believe that Shaq is much closer to 7"1 than just a flat 7 footer he is 215cm at worst.
Canson said on 25/Jul/16
To add to what Height and Shane both said is clear as day and good comparisons. Wilt and Mutombo both had Shaq by an inch. I'd even go as far to use Rik Smits as another comparison. In game (esp when Shaq played in Orlando and later LA against Indiana) Smits always had Shaq by at least 3". Now Smits had a longer body too than Shaq proportionately and Not sure if Smits was a full 7'4" but I certainly buy 7'3" very easily for him. He looked close in height with a guy like Mark Eaton so he could've been
Canson said on 25/Jul/16
@Shane @Height: both correct on your estimates for Shaq.
Canson said on 25/Jul/16
@184Guy: I think we can all look at Kobe's page as Height reiterated what I said so obviously your eyesight is horrible, you are a complete invalid which you sound like, or you have a problem comprehending what you read. Go look at the posts that I have posted and look where Height corrected James. It's right there. And by the way that's fine if you disagree because we won't always agree on everything but do remember who started this attack here. It surely wasn't me and you are just making yourself sound dumber and dumber with each post.
FLEX said on 25/Jul/16
Shaq is taller than Dikembe. In those pictures Mutombo is closer to the camera, that's why he looks taller
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And when Shaq is straight up in this pic with Wilt & Kareem, he doesn't look shorter than them
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Shane said on 24/Jul/16
The directly side by side photos posted below with 7'1" barefoot Mutombo tell the tale. Mutombo clearly has an inch plus on Shaq in all the,side by sides.
184guy said on 23/Jul/16
@Canson
No,I'm not insecure about my height.If i was i would try to downgrade everybody to make my height not that short
1,84 is a good height,it's in the beggining of the tall area but is nothing like the stand out(the exception is with woman :)
I try to get the more closer to the listing . I admit,is very hard to say if someone is 2,12 or 2,15 when this is near a foot taller but when he get many points of reference ( ex Basketball) we can have a idea.But unfortunelly I can't agree with you while saying the shortest mark when there is enough proof showing the opposite.Saying things like Kobe could be 194 ( YES ,YOU SAID THAT) don't stuck in my mind
James B said on 23/Jul/16
In photos shaq absolutely dwarf Michael jordan
James B said on 23/Jul/16
Vegas what height what you guess Bill Goldberg?
You mentioned he was same height as tripl h in cowboy boots
Height said on 23/Jul/16
@184guy
If Wilt measured 7'1" without shoes it is very unlikely that Shaq is 7'0.88" or 7'0.66", since the difference between both them has consistently been no less than 1 inch.
Canson said on 23/Jul/16
@Vegas: I agree Test does look about That in pics from what I see and what I've seen over the years
Canson said on 23/Jul/16
@Vegas: look at this link below though.
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Canson said on 23/Jul/16
@184Guy: well it sounds to me like you will take the highest order here and are already set on doing that. Height said in a previous post that he claimed 6'11.5 and more than one person here has said it. So you can continue to believe he is 7'1 just because you obviously like men being taller than they are. That is sad. If someone claims they are shorter than you think or they appear it likely means they are. And no I don't believe KROC has a stadiometer but Shaq claimed that height to him so don't know how he would misconstrue it or make it up. I mean you seem to have these theories. Question for you is it because you are insecure about your own height? That is typically the case for someone with the tendency to make everyone else taller or fantasizing that they are like you do.
184guy said on 22/Jul/16
@Canson said on 21/Jul/16
Who is KROC ? He has a stadiometer in his pocket ? He is a judge or god to someone tell him the truth ? Shaq claimed 7'1 on Conan and many others sources.Now where is the truth ? I dunno and probably nobody knows.
Canson said on 22/Jul/16
Comparing him to Yao isn't easy really. Yao has a huge head (larger than Shaq's). But it is a good 5+
Vegas said on 22/Jul/16
Sorry Shaq and Garnett together on video
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Vegas said on 22/Jul/16
Canson said on 21/Jul/16
@184guy: if you look at Shaq and KG there's at most 1 full inch sometimes less.
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There us roughly a measured inch difference for reference between girl 2 and rob and girl 3 and rob
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slothee said on 22/Jul/16
Interesting downgrade.. From what I've seen from him he looked nearly 8 inches taller than 6'4.75" Barkley. Sure 7'1" seems a bit high, but 7' flat seems a bit off as well. Maybe 7'0.5"?
Canson said on 21/Jul/16
Unfortunately 184guy, Height really isn't using a ridiculous estimate. He did claim it and KROC met him and said he claimed around 6'11.75 when someone asked his height Basketball heights are all over the place so are the pics people use to compare players.
Canson said on 21/Jul/16
@184guy: if you look at Shaq and KG there's at most 1 full inch sometimes less. Sorry but Shaq is 7' flat tops. Let's stick with 7' because I would hate to see you do something as drastic as downgrading something you are allergic to
184guy said on 20/Jul/16
@Height said on 19/Jul/16
Ok.A guy like Shaq has a big feet and probably a big shoe size which implies in a big sole for the one.So a 7'0.88(the supossed number ) Shaq in shoes give us a 6'11.75 or even 6'11.5 barefoot.
The only problem is if you do that,you'll need to downgrade every celeb in at about 1 inch .Shaq was obvious taller than 7ft and probably stills.Look him with Yao Ming who claimed 7'6.He looked roughly 5 inches shorter.Look also with 6'11 7'0 guys like Gasol,Garnett,Nowitzki,Bill Watson,David Robson,Paul Wight.He is visible taller than all of them.He was billed 7ft in 1992 when he was 19-20.Do you have a crystall ball to say that we had not grown 0,5in later ?
I don't think he was as tall as 7'1 'cause he looked shorter than Wilt but i can't accept just a flat 7ft,let alone your ridiculous 6'11.5 which came in a joke with a very arrogant guy (Howard Stern).So my guess, 7'0.5 sounds pretty optimistic
Canson said on 20/Jul/16
I wish there were pics in the primes for Kareem and Wilt with Shaq. Wilt was measured 7'.5 in his 40s and Kareem not sure. But I won't question a full 7'2 or the 7'1 7/8 in his prime. He looked it.
Vegas said on 20/Jul/16
Everyone seems right around their measured height, wade is wearing flat loafers it looks like so would probably have a half inch footwear disadvantage to the others and probably hits 6'4 in those or just a hair above
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there is no actual official measured height for shaq documented so not sure why people commenting like there is
a 7'1 in shoes shaq would result in a below 7 foot sans footwear which as i pointed out before would result in a big downgrade for alot of people on here. e.g if shaq was 7'1 in shoes lebron should reach his eyeline and clearly thats not the case
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james, test looked around 6'4.5-6'5 in person
Rifle said on 20/Jul/16
Shaq was a legit 7'0.5" in his prime period.
Height said on 19/Jul/16
@184guy
Measured at under 7'1" with shoes (probably non basketball shoes). Has admitted "7 feet even" both coming out of high school and in his 1993 book, has admitted 6'11.5" on Howard Stern although there seem to be be no record or footage from that interview.
Canson said on 19/Jul/16
@184guy: his pre draft measurement was revealed that it was in shoes. Which is why Rob changed it. He's 7'0" quit upgrading people
Rifle said on 19/Jul/16
Dear Rob,
What do you think is the difference in height between this guy and Shaq?
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Regards
Editor Rob
4, maybe more near 5
James B said on 18/Jul/16
Vegas always wanted to ask you this but how tall did Test look to you when you met him in person?
184guy said on 18/Jul/16
Show was obviusly nothing less than 2,5 inch shorter than Shaq
To me this listing that Rob put is wrong.Rob said that Shaq was supposed measured at 7'1 in sneakers.But if this is true,he would'nt be taller than 6'11.75 barefoot
He was measured just shy 7'1 so likely 215cm.And in sneakers he is probably 1.25inch taller like 7'2.25.There is even a measurement saying Shaq was 7'2.25 in sneakers Not only 7'1
Canson said on 17/Jul/16
CDK Shaq doesn't have 3" on Big Show. Look at close ups from when they were in the ring together. It's maybe 1.5". If you get 3" it's due to Show's posture
Shane said on 16/Jul/16
Shaq is not over 7 even barefoot. Video and photos have to be centered perfect to help the discussion at all. He is known to wear thick soles as well
JT said on 16/Jul/16
Fern, if shaq’s son is legit 6’9” Shaq was at least 7’3” in his ESPYs footwear.
Click Here His son does look 6’9” with Lebron
Click Here and 6'10.25" measured Karl Anthony Towns.
Click Here Big show's definitely taller next to Shaq than the son. Not sure what's going on other than you need to view many photos and videos before you can peg a person's height. I still think we are at a 7’1” (or close) Shaq and 6’11” tops Big Show in 2016 with comparable footwear.
Canson said on 16/Jul/16
@Fern194-192: I saw pics with Shaq and Big Show from a few years back and a more recent. Shaq is really (if Both stand straight) only about an inch and a half taller. If it's a 4" diff it's on Big Show because previous pics Big Show would've been 6'10.25-.5 range and Shaq almost a solid 7'.
mrtguy said on 16/Jul/16
Rob, that clip of Big Show and Shaq recently at the 2016 EPSY doesn't prove anything of their true heights, we can't see their true footwear and the camera isn't leveled properly, as a matter of fact the it can mistaken Big Show's height
Canson said on 16/Jul/16
@Vegas: Lebron also had a very obvious footwear advantage at the Espys on Melo. See below
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Canson said on 16/Jul/16
@Vegas: I agree Lebron is prob a half inch or so taller than Melo in reality but at the Espys Melo looked taller at times. The pic below is the only one that would imply Lebron being taller and it's because Lebron has his head tilted down (he's losing height in the pic but I factor that in to make the assumption that he'd have Melo by 1/2"). Other pics Melo actually looked taller than James however
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Sean said on 15/Jul/16
Maybe Shaq peak 7'.05"? 7'0" seems short considering he towers over Big Show at or over 2 inches present time. I thought recently Big Show can still pull off 6'11", but now maybe no more than 6'10.25" or 6'10.5"
CDK said on 15/Jul/16
After seeing the video of Big Show and Shaq at the ESPY awards this week I would say their heights today are;
Big Show 6'10" barefoot
Shaq 7'1" barefoot
Dawkins said on 15/Jul/16
215.5 cm out of bed, 213 cm at night.
FLEX said on 14/Jul/16
Shaq is at least 3 inches taller than Big Show
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Frantz 189-187 cm said on 14/Jul/16
Rob what you think about this new video Between shaq and Big Show for WrestleMania 33 ?
search on Youtube : "Big Show challenges Shaq to a match at WrestleMania" or Link :
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I know the camera angle is not really good but Shaq is cleary taller than big show, also i don't think shaq wear basketball shoes with his suit,
Timofey Mozgov the 7'1" real 216cm russian center of the nba team Cleveland Cavalier blogged :
"You can’t even imagine how huge Shaq is, – Mozgov told Kirill Zangalis of Sovetskiy Sport. – I’m not sure that I could wrap my arms around him; he’s a real man-mountain. I’ve played against the Greek giant Sofoklis Schortsanitis, and it was impossible to move him. But now after meeting Shaq in person I understand why Schortsanitis goes by the nickname “Baby Shaq” in Europe. Compared to the original he looks like a dwarf.
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Sofoklis Schortsanitis is 208 cm !
Shaq is at least 214cm so a strong 7 footer barefoot and big Show probably a solid 209/210 cm barefoot, i think is fair to update his height to 214, 213 is a bit low for this basketball legend ;-)
miko said on 14/Jul/16
Shaq at 7'0 flat is bad news for Big Show.
I still think Show is around 6'11 but there is definitely more than 1 inch between them in 2016.
Fern194cm-192cm said on 14/Jul/16
Hey Rob,
You need to head to youtube and look at the video of big show and shaq talking at the ESPY awards. Shaq has a good 4 inches on him. No lie. His son Sharif O'neal who is legit 6,9 and growing appears to be the same height or taller as Big Show. If shaq is only 7,0 then Big show is 6,8-6,9. I still think Shaq is 7,0.5 today. If not Big show needs a downgrade for sure. Please consider for the height fans who want nothing but the truth and the whole truth.
JT said on 14/Jul/16
Click Here Lesnar looks like he has cowboy boots on. Shaq has a full head size on him and his head is fairly large. A 7'0" flat Shaq means a big downgrade for many on this site, unless of course he gets a 2 or more inch boost from every shoe he ever wears.
Since Hogan’s 6’6” on this site, Shaq must have been wearing his sandals with the 3 inch boost....
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Editor Rob
he could look at most 6ft 10 there
Vegas said on 14/Jul/16
Lebron was noticeably taller than Carmelo on stage last night at the espys
James I have never met hall. As for what I think his height was, maybe 6'4-6'5 you could argue
MDV said on 14/Jul/16
In the latest video of Big Show and Shaq shaq looked at least 2 in taller...Probably 210 cm and 215 are ok for the 2 now....
Canson said on 13/Jul/16
one thing I will add is some ppl claim morning height (some athletes and celebs) while others claim what they are measured in afternoon. Meaning if for example gonna use Shaq as example measured over 7' in the AM Lebron measured over 6'7 in the AM but measured 6'6.75 or 1/2 later and Shaq 7' later (these are just examples not necessarily sure where each would measure truthfully) but one could claim their Lower the other their upper (possibly rounded up). Another example is if we compared someone like Conan who may be 6'3 1/2 in the morning he may round to 6'4 then you get a Kobe or a Barkley they may measure 6'4.5 in the afternoon (near their low) and round down. In reality the lower measurement in my opinion is the accurate of the two. At worst case if the person is rounding up that negates it in my opinion
Canson said on 13/Jul/16
@Vegas: not sure if LBJ was truly measured. He said out of his own mouth that he wasn't "measured" after reaching 6'6 (Jordan, his idol's, listed height). Kobe Bryant also has a pre draft measurement in the books and he admitted to skipping it. To me Lebron looks around 6'7" mark TBH. Most of what you said is logical however
Canson said on 13/Jul/16
@Vegas: I agree with you that most guys here look overlisted for sure
James B said on 12/Jul/16
Was hogan really shorter than Scott hall in wcw who many believe was 6'5?
Personally I find 6'5 hard to swallow for Scott hall and he struck me as looking more 6'4 than 5 actually.
Vegas what's your opinion on Scott halls height? I don't think you have met him in person have you?
Vegas said on 12/Jul/16
Anthony and LeBron were measured and documented by the NBA at same camp so it doesn't really make sense if Anthony is correct why lebrons would be well off..
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Pictures are nice to look at but estimating heights based on photos alone is ludicrous as there are simply too many things to take into account (angle, ground, footwear, height of camera, location of camera, distance from camera among them). I have never seen a good comparison photo of Shaq and Kareem as nearly all those factors I listed apply to the ones posted here. E.g there is a photo of Kareem and Andrew bynum looking close in height yet Shaq was taller was bynum so what does that tell us about photos...
Hogan was 40 when he stood next to Shaq on video. What situation would cause him to lose upwards of 1.5 inches by 1994? To my knowledge his first major surgery (knee) was in the late 1990s
Canson said on 10/Jul/16
@Vegas: it's possible Hulk was 6'4" at that point when they took the pic. But I can buy 6'5" prime maybe even 6'5.25-.5. Shaq tho 7' is the most he'd be if his measurement was in shoes at 7'.63-.88. Wouldn't surprise me if Lebron is under 6'7 like maybe 199.5-200 range. He doesn't look an entire inch taller than Melo more 1 cm- .5". Melo is what he's measured when I met him. I'm 6'4 1/2 he's easily 6'6" range prob a solid 6'6.25-.375 had me by 1.5-2" id say. I look at pics with Kareem and Wilt and Shaq and he Does not look over 7'. But Ben Wallace from what he said when they interviewed him isn't even 6'7. He said "I'm really tiny, 6'6/6'7". My guess is he prob is 199cm range He can look shorter than Lebron at times
Canson said on 10/Jul/16
@Vegas: it's possible Hulk was 6'4" at that point when they took the pic. But I can buy 6'5" prime maybe even 6'5.25-.5. Shaq tho 7' is the most he'd be if his measurement was in shoes at 7'.63-.88. Wouldn't surprise me if Lebron is under 6'7 like maybe 199.5-200 range. He doesn't look an entire inch taller than Melo more 1 cm- .5". Melo is what he's measured when I met him. I'm 6'4 1/2 he's easily 6'6" range prob a solid 6'6.25-.375 had me by 1.5-2" id say
Vegas said on 9/Jul/16
Canson said on 1/Jul/16
@Vegas: some of the guys you mentioned could use a downgrade. Hogan for one 6'5 not 6'6 in his prime. At least in the 80s/90s he was. Shaq was at most a solid 7' and that's possibly a stretch
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Hogan would have to drop to 6'4 if Shaq was 7ft at most. Shaq in 94 was 8 inches taller than Hogan..and Hogan had footwear advantage
Fact is in video Shaq looks taller than 7ft at most next to LeBron and big ben and their barefoot measurement is documented by the NBA and nfl
Frantz 189-187 cm said on 9/Jul/16
Shaq is probably 216,5 morning and 214,1 cm at night, he also claimed himself 216 cm in an interview for the Lakers tv , 213cm is a bit to low, 214 cm barefoot seems right for him IMO
Canson said on 9/Jul/16
@Shane: absolutely right. Kareem has always had 2" on Shaq min
Canson said on 8/Jul/16
Height: you're 100% correct. Also Shaq's pre draft initially was in shoes. I see him as a legit near 7 footer in reality. Maybe can drop to 6'11.5-.75 after a long day. He doesn't edge out KG by much at all in close pics maybe 2-2.5 cm
Shane said on 8/Jul/16
Shaq was never 7'1 barefoot as the clarification above shows and the side by sides with 7'1 barefoor Mutombo clearly shows. Shaq is clearly a good inch shorter.
Canson said on 6/Jul/16
He doesn't look as if he has lost any height honestly. Still looks like he could measure about 7'
Height said on 6/Jul/16
@aaronius
You are contradicting yourself by saying that people can't go by pre-draft measurements and then showing pre-draft measurement data to prove he was 7'1".
The problem is, he has always looked at least 1 inch shorter than legit 7'1" next to guys like Dikembe Mutombo.
cdk said on 5/Jul/16
PEAK HEIGHTS;
SHAQ= 7 FOOT
BIG SHOW= 6 FOOT 11
HULK HOGAN= 6 FOOT 5
aaronius said on 5/Jul/16
something that people here should note, Kareem is a Yoga practitioner, and has been for like 35 years. Yoga over time makes you taller, not shorter, because you are constantly conditioning and lengthening the spine, pumping up the discs to maximum height. i wouldnt doubt kareem is probably a legit 7'2"
aaronius said on 5/Jul/16
Shaq is and was every bit of 7'1" at his peak... you guys can't go by his pre-draft measurement of 7'0", as he was just a 19 year old kid and was still growing. he settled at 7'1" barefoot. he has since been measured and his height revised.
check this webpage out showing various measurements, and it shows Shaq's pre-draft measurement number 2 at 7'0.88", almost a full 7'1":
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aaronius said on 5/Jul/16
Shaq is and was every bit of 7'1" at his peak... you guys can't go by his pre-draft measurement of 7'0", as he was just a 19 year old kid and was still growing. he settled at 7'1" barefoot. he has since been measured and his height revised.
James B said on 4/Jul/16
This could mean great khali is under 7'1
James B said on 4/Jul/16
Rob was it big shows weight making him look much shorter next to shaq?
Editor Rob
for a guy like big show you wonder how much his natural standing height differs from his measured height...it's an unknown really, but he certainly doesn't have Stallone posture.
scottfree1 said on 4/Jul/16
My answer to how tall are you? Is 6'8".. 6'9" on a good day.. $=4 me "height" is relative, a standard door is 6'8" and at my "normal height" relaxed posture, head titled down I clear no problem, but at my stand up straight, deep breath, shoulders back height the door jam hits me in the forehead, and this is barefoot, add some bball shoes and in the nba I would be a "7fter"
Canson said on 1/Jul/16
@Vegas: some of the guys you mentioned could use a downgrade. Hogan for one 6'5 not 6'6 in his prime. At least in the 80s/90s he was. Shaq was at most a solid 7' and that's possibly a stretch
Oanh said on 1/Jul/16
FLEX said on 9/Jun/16
There is no way SHAQ is just 7 feet.
Shaq & Mutombo: Click Here Click Here Click Here
Shaq vs. Bynum & Gasol: Click Here Click Here
Shaq & 7'1'' listed Fesenko: Click Here
Shaq & 6'11''listed Pero Antic: Click Here
Shaq & Jabbar: Click Here
Shaq & 7'5'' Bhullar: Click Here
Shaq & 7'4'' kid Brenden Adams: Click Here
The photo with Mutombo is not a good one. There are other photos of the two of them standing straight, and Mutombo is 1-2" taller. Shaq is 7 feet barefoot.
184guy said on 28/Jun/16
Shaq's height is 7ft 0.5 (214cm)
Rifle said on 28/Jun/16
Rob,
Don't you think you should list Shaq at 7'0.5"?He definitely looked taller than 7'0" at his prime.
Regards
Editor Rob
you could still argue 7ft 0.5 would be possible
184guy said on 25/Jun/16
Rob,this was a very radical downgrade.A full inch is very much for our conception.As you are not sure if he was 7'1 or just 7'0 you should list him as 7'0.5
This would be fair cause this half inch cover up both ranges.
Vegas said on 25/Jun/16
miko said on 23/Jun/16
A 7'0 prime Shaq means Big Show needs his prime height moving down, as does Hogan by an inch
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Yeah quite a few people need to be downgraded an inch now. Hogan, big show, Andre, LeBron, garnett. Photos are one thing but Shaq had 8 inches easy on Hogan on video in 1994 and was more than 4.5 inches taller than LeBron back to back
miko said on 23/Jun/16
A 7'0 prime Shaq means Big Show needs his prime height moving down, as does Hogan by an inch.
Canson said on 22/Jun/16
@Height: he does always look nothing less than a full inch shorter. Your estimate is likely right. I could even buying him catching a good whiff of 6'11 like 6'11.5 esp because he varies so much at that size. I notice back then some taller guys didnt round up (before today's height inflation began years back). Some still don't.
jajamen said on 22/Jun/16
rob, what made you change it 7'1 to 7'0?
Editor Rob
I think for me there was probably enough I've seen over the years to believe what the draft site said about 7ft measurement and near 7ft 1 in sneakers.
mrtguy said on 22/Jun/16
Rob, I still think Shaq may not quite be a full 7 ft 1, but he's certainly, if not majority of times taller than flat 7 ft
Leo said on 16/Jun/16
Shaq has a body of a guy 6'10.75-6'11.
@Flex Sim Bhullar is 7'3.5
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 14/Jun/16
Rob, Shaq at 7ft flat does make todays Big Show 6´10" at best and never 7ft in his entire life, look at Big Shows big soles- I doubt Shaq had more footwear.
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jtm said on 11/Jun/16
thanks for downgrading him back to his real height. now if you could downgrade Pitt and Damon.
miko said on 10/Jun/16
Shaq at a flat 7'0? Wow.
Danimal (176-178cm) said on 8/Jun/16
How can you have Kareem listed at less than 7'2" in his prime and Shaq at 7'1" when an old Kareem is noticeably taller than a prime Shaq????
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Editor Rob
the conclusion seems to point to Shaq having been measured nearly 7ft 1 in footwear, as the DraftExpress seemed to think.
GP said on 7/Jun/16
Shaq was always shorter than Mutombo, who was a legit 7'1". Anyone who followed Shaq's career will say that and that he started looking taller when he went to Lakers since he started wearing thicker heeled basketball shoes
Height said on 6/Jun/16
Rob, but didn't DraftExpress later reverted their measurement to 7'0" with the editor claiming that the previous 2 measurements they had where with standard sneakers (non basketball sneakers)?
And what would you say is the difference between him and 6'11" Kevin Garnett?
Editor Rob
this 7ft 1992 measurement I couldn't ever find the article, I'm not sure if it was ever posted, but it may well be accurate. I think many have argued 7ft for him made sense.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 4/Jun/16
Rob, then why do you still have Shaq at 6ft1 on the dot?
Editor Rob
if it was 3/4 inch yes, but it was just under 7ft 1...you could argue that he drops below 7ft 0.75 especially if he was measured before mid-day.
BigDummy said on 3/Jun/16
Hilarious how Wilt and Shaq are both 7'1 according to this site when there are pictures and videos and Wilt is clearly taller.
Editor Rob
Shaq was measured a little under 7ft 1, Wilt measured a little over, so I would class Shaq as the weaker and Wilt the stronger 7ft 1.
Darko said on 24/May/16
213 cm - 213.5 cm
Canson said on 14/May/16
@Bruce Wayne: everything you said is 100% correct! However the heights you have for them are already inflated. Penny is 6'6 barefoot not 6'7. Not sure on Nathan (Ricky roe). He may be 6'8. Shaq is between 6'11-7' barefoot.
miko said on 13/May/16
Shaq at 6'11 would put a prime Hulk Hogan at around 6'3. Andre at 6'8... etc... all 3 were 2 inches taller than that.
Rifle said on 13/May/16
I have seen Shaqs shoes, they give 1.6"-1.5" additional height
BruceWayne said on 13/May/16
Shaq wears unsually large size 22 basketball shoes which give him at least additional 2 inches to his barefoot height.....if he is 7'1" barefoot, then he stood at least 7'3" on the basketball court during his playing days.
I remember his movie "Blue Chips (1993)" where his character Neon Boudeaux, together with 6'7" Butch McRae (played by Penny Hardaway) and 6'8" Ricky Roe (played by Matt Nover) were recruited by a College team and when they were introduced in the school gym, the PA announced their respective heights to be 7'4" , 6'9" and 6'11" tall. When the three players asked why they were announced to be taller than their real heights, the team official responded with something to this effect: "that's how tall you are gonna be..." implying the industry practice of teams inflating their players' heights by 1-3 inches to make their team roster appear on paper to be more impressive and/or intimidating.
Dave260 said on 11/May/16
SHAQ Is 7ft 0" (213cm) in Trainers (2-3cm increase). 6ft 11" (210.8cm) with No shoes.
BIG SHOW is 6ft 10.5" (209.5cm) In Boots. 6ft 9.5" (207cm) No shoes.
Ice said on 28/Apr/16
Almost all NBA players who are 7'1"+ are genetically tall . You can tell by there head to body porportion - all of these guys' heads just seem small compared to their bodies .
miko said on 21/Apr/16
Shaq at under 7'0 throws everything off.
He's somewhere between 7'0.5 and 7'1, I doubt he's lost any height either.
Johno said on 15/Apr/16
Wilt Chamberlain 7'1.
Johno said on 13/Apr/16
6'11.5-7'0.
mrtguy said on 4/Apr/16
Wilt Chamberlain is taller and more athletic than Shaq ever is/was
jayball62 said on 14/Mar/16
does it matter he is close to 7 feet and its the bulk that means just as much.
S.J.H said on 12/Mar/16
In thick monster size bigger insole shoe he look 1.25 taller than 6''11.25 kevin garnett in thin basketball shoe , i'm thinking shaq is more like 7"0.25 and was like 7"0.75 he got measure in morning and nba round him up at 7''1. Legit 7'0 giant
Height said on 7/Mar/16
6'11.5" or 6'11.75" may have been his height at 17 or so. As a full grown adult that may be an exaggeration.
Like I said, I think he is a legit 7'0" guy at 213.5 cm and Garnett is 6'11" / 6'11.25" (210.8 cm / 211.5 cm).
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Duhon said on 6/Mar/16
Kevin Garnett is a minimum 6'11" barefoot and likely above that like Rob has him listed. Shaq looks at least 7' right next to him
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666 said on 3/Mar/16
Shaq did not measure over 7 feet - unless you count his in shoes measurements. For a long time Draftexpress had him pegged at 7-1 without shoes, based on a newspaper article that cited him at 7' 0.63" and 7' 0.88" from the 90's during the draft. But it turns out those were actually with shoes measurements. So they updated his profile to "7-0" without shoes. They use a rounded number but I think if he had a 1" or 1.25" thick shoe like most players that would put him almost right at about 6-11.5 like he admitted to being.
That also explains why an old Wilt appeared taller than him when they met.
Height said on 29/Feb/16
FLEX, you actually thought I was serious...I just used the same method (type of picture) you used to claim that Shaq is taller than Mutombo.
Duhon said on 19/Feb/16
I believe Shaq at his prime was 7'1" or perhaps 7'0.88" as I've seen in some sources. However as of now he's put on a lot of weight. I wouldn't be surprised if he's over 400 lbs currently, I don't think his posture is very good anymore due to that.
FLEX said on 17/Feb/16
Shaq is taller than Mutombo, again
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WalkingTall 6ft3.25 said on 16/Feb/16
--Shorter than 7´1.25 Kristaps Porzingis
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--Here is the source for Porzingis measurements
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--What do you think Rob,whats the difference between them considering the angle and everything,i think Shaq is about 7 ft tall,as draftexpress says....maybe just maybe even 6´11.5....
Height said on 16/Feb/16
@FLEX
Mutombo is a legit 7'1" guy (more like 7'1.25" really). Shaq has always been at least an inch shorter than him:
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Rifle said on 16/Feb/16
James,
Shaq is 7'0.88" without shoes.He was measured after evening training.
james said on 12/Feb/16
Howard Stern asked him his height and he said 6'11 so I'm guessing he meant barefoot .with shoes hes 7'0..ain't no way he's 7'1 or 7'2 in the morning ..seen him with 7'1 Wilt Chamberlain in a few photos and a video on YouTube and Shaq looked 2 inches shorter .in a photo he took with 7'2 Kareem he was like 2 inches shorter ..and in a photo with 7'2 Mutombo he looked 3 inches shorter ..hes 7'0 max with shoes
S.J.H said on 11/Feb/16
@Frank said on 21/Jan/16
Rifle said on 13/Jan/16
For all those peddling the 6'11" BS for Shaq:
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Shaq at morning- 7'2"
And that isn´t even his "fully streched out height"
Shaq at night-7'0.5"
You're far too exagerrated that makes shaq 7'2.5 out of bed. In fact much closer to 1.5" loss for a day sounds reliable but shaq himself had claim he was only 7'0 even (213cm) and also say that his 7'1 several times it's much likely he was 7'0 than 7'1. At best 7'05 as you say by night this might be the daily height shaq walks on the street.
Moke said on 3/Feb/16
I really wonder how this dude is going to look like when he's 70 or so. With this massive build and that height he's going to need a good chiropractor...
Canson said on 27/Jan/16
Duhon: I see that you completely ignored the fact I presented "Barkley downgrading his height". What is you response to that? You don't have one.
And question why so condescending to others here? Did you have a rough upbringing or something in your childhood? Were you fondled or touched inappropriately? I mean if something is bothering you take your aggression elsewhere to someone who can help you.
Canson said on 27/Jan/16
Rob: Question for you? Because apparently I'm not the only one who has downgraded the same people Here in my estimates and can never remember saying "Rob can you change it". Is it ok to comment with how we feel about the height listed? I mean this is an open forum from what I see. For some reason Duhon doesn't see it that way. Just checking to make sure we all aren't out of line for "thinking" someone is shorter than they are listed and expressing our opinions.
Editor Rob
anybody can comment what they think somebody is, although sometimes people can go beyond the realms of believability.
Duhon said on 26/Jan/16
The only people who are insecure about height are the ones calling for Rob to downgrade all the heights he's listed. Do you think people who are secure with themselves try to make others out to be shorter please think about that and what you are trying to do. That's my final word on this unless you start bringing some facts and not personal opinions.
Canson said on 26/Jan/16
Wow! I've never heard someone say someone is negative for downgrading height of someone else where that's what they believe. I would think calling someone a liar or saying someone is downplaying is more negative "Charles Barkley downplays his height to maintain an underdog image" because he claimed what he claimed. Wow Duhon a statement like that "you're being negative for downgrading height" shows you have issues. If height matters that much to someone that shows they are pretty insecure!
Canson said on 26/Jan/16
Duhon: you don't either. So maybe that makes both of us. you do realize that this site is all opinion based right? And I am not the only one who has downgraded the same players that I have. three maybe four others have the exact for the exact same players. I've also kept people right where Rob has them: Kevin Durant, KG, Barkley, Kareem. But I am allowed to disagree with Rob as well as you. as you also have on occasion with me and with Rob. I respect your view but don't have to agree with it. Example, Rob has charles Barkley at 6'4.75, but you disagree. so Rob's wrong now? Why does it work this way but not when I downgrade someone when I genuinely don't believe that person is that height? I'm familiar enough with pro sports and esp the NBA and know people who have worked inside with the players or players I've seen on my own. I have first hand knowledge that while not all but some of the measurements are fab'd. I respect Rob's opinion very much but doesn't mean he is always 100% accurate if he hasn't seen someone in person. Think he knows this too That it is his best guess. Nobody is perfect.
I do respect you especially for the fact that you go for proof with your estimates. but some of the comments?? toward me "oh he's bitter about not making the NBA". Then toward height here when he was making an observation about something Shaq said. Ditto. Even with Ezioauditore he was making a point about Steph curry as was I saying I've seen his father in person and can look at their difference. I realize sometimes you don't read everything through as I saw with the comment you made about "your cousin's friend" when that never was said. I hadn't said anything attacking previously toward you. If I disagreed I did so professionally. Height and I have disagreed on one or two but we do so professionally. If everybody agrees here on everything, then it means that only one person is doing the thinking and it'd be no point of this site and I am sure that nobody here or Rob himself would enjoy the experience nor the success. I apologize if I offended you as I was calling it exactly how I saw it based on your pattern of comments but some of the comments you made were completely out of line as well so it was definitely warranted. Let's move on from this and continue to disagree with each other the right way!!!
Duhon said on 25/Jan/16
Canson you have no idea what you are talking about. 90% of my posts are in reference to draft data not my personal opinion. How am I the negative one when you are the one shouting on every page that these guys are all shorter than what Rob lists them as? and I'm the one who has personal issues?
Please if you have issues with these listings, take it up with Rob the guy who manages the site, I'll take his analysis over guys like you 9/10 times as this is his job.