How tall is Andre The Giant ?

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Andre The Giant's height is 7ft 0in (213 cm)

French Wrestler, Actor from The Princess Bride. Official site gives him 7ft 4, also shows his 'measured' height from wrestlemania 3 (1987) as a whopping 7ft 5. He suffered from acromelagy and was supposedly 6ft 7 age 17. His spine took a lot of damage over his career.
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Capt. Nobody says on 23/Jul/14
Chaz says on 20/Jul/14

The Andre/Mane was no hoax,and has we can see a old Andre was lucky if he had 1'5'' on a 6'8'' Mane,so these ring camprason were A Old broken down,Andre is the same height as Big Show must be useless.

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Must be, especially considering since Nash is taller than Andre and Mane and Nash were of equal height in the ring right? Wait a minute, that would mean...
dicksock says on 21/Jul/14
GST says on 20/Jul/14
To find Andre's peak height look for photos of Andre from the mid to late 70's. An older, broken down Andre or a younger, not fully grown Andre will result with inaccurate height estimates or calculations.

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Andre claimed he stopped growing at 24 or 1970. I think anything from mid 1970 through early 1986 is his peak. Again, I think he was 6'11"-7' in his prime and ~6'10.5"/possibly 6'11" on a good day by the late 80s early 90s. He may have been in the 6'9" range by the very end.
Chaz says on 21/Jul/14
ReturnofG,if I was biased about anyone it would be Giant Haystacks,who I have seen,and he was much bigger and wider than Andre,if anything Big Show gets a bad rep on this Page,he's a much better wrestler faster stonger,taller,than Andre ever was,wider back bigger legs,more muscle,just because I beleave Andre was only 6'10'' or so,Don't Make him less of a giant,in my book if you are 200cm+ or 200kg+ you are a giant,you all have this rubish in your minds,that if someone is a inch or two under 7' he is not a real giant,well your wrong,
Red183 says on 21/Jul/14
Frank says on 20/Jul/14
Nash & Tyler Mane were about the same height i believe Mane had the foot ware advantage. Andre had about 2 inches on Mane when Andre was over the hill & broken down


Absolutely Correct!
ReturnofG says on 20/Jul/14
@Capt. Nobody says on 19/Jul/14
Just ignore Chaz, dude. He is a complete biased troll who has a crush on Paul Wight, I doubt he even believes 3/4 of what he says.
GST says on 20/Jul/14
To find Andre's peak height look for photos of Andre from the mid to late 70's. An older, broken down Andre or a younger, not fully grown Andre will result with inaccurate height estimates or calculations. I am amazed at the amount of debate/bickering about pictures without foot wear being able to be determined, odd angles which construe the height of any object and photos where Andre is not in his physical prime. Probably the best photo to gauge Andre's height is the one where he is on the weight scales.
Frank says on 20/Jul/14
Nash & Tyler Mane were about the same height i believe Mane had the foot ware advantage. Andre had about 2 inches on Mane when Andre was over the hill & broken down
Chaz says on 20/Jul/14
Capt. Nobody says on 19/Jul/14
JT says on 19/Jul/14
These rings match up better than anything posted here below. So now it’s confirmed that Nash is clearly taller than Andre and Sid and Andre were about the same height....
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And just to add the Tyler Mane/Andre tag match never happened. Was a complete hoax. It was all done on green screen and matte painting.

What you are saying on angles is correct but it all depends on the angle. The farther up the angle and the farther away the camera when at a higher angle the less object heights will skew when moving back and forth in the frame. On a flat angle any background to foreground movement will have major ramifications.

The Andre/Mane was no hoax,and has we can see a old Andre was lucky if he had 1'5'' on a 6'8'' Mane,so these ring camprason were A Old broken down,Andre is the same height as Big Show must be useless.
Capt. Nobody says on 19/Jul/14
JT says on 19/Jul/14
These rings match up better than anything posted here below. So now it’s confirmed that Nash is clearly taller than Andre and Sid and Andre were about the same height....
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And just to add the Tyler Mane/Andre tag match never happened. Was a complete hoax. It was all done on green screen and matte painting.

What you are saying on angles is correct but it all depends on the angle. The farther up the angle and the farther away the camera when at a higher angle the less object heights will skew when moving back and forth in the frame. On a flat angle any background to foreground movement will have major ramifications.
62B says on 19/Jul/14
JT your photo shopped pictures are way off, sorry. I have stood next to other "tall" wrestlers such as Hogan, Dugan, Dibiasi, Undertaker. none were close to Andre. Dugan was about my height, Dibiasi a smidge taller. I was younger and shorter when I saw Hogan, but he was about the same height as my 6'5" Grandfather. Undertaker was definitely taller than me. Andre is not the tallest person I have stood next to, but definitely the biggest.
Halb says on 19/Jul/14
If Nador is 6'2, that makes André 6'10ish in that pic.
62B says on 19/Jul/14
JT in your "young" picture of Andre and Rene Lasartesse, Lasartesse's belt line is the same height or higher than Andre's, yet the top of his head is still several inches shorter. Lasartesse is clearly standing on something. I have stood right next to Andre at the Milwaukee airport. I actually physically bumped into him. I was a solid 6'3" at the time. I have no problem believing he was a legit 7'.
JT says on 19/Jul/14
These rings match up better than anything posted here below. So now it’s confirmed that Nash is clearly taller than Andre and Sid and Andre were about the same height....
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Ring dimensions and camera angles are almost never identical so you can’t compare wrestlers’ heights from different events, and especially when only one side of the ring ropes is matched up.
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This approach is only going to be ~ reliable when it comes from the same event and same camera and, further, if both wrestlers are the same distance from the camera
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I stand corrected Roel – I don’t know enough about either wrestler and will defer to your knowledge on those guys.
Sonic says on 18/Jul/14
can't really compare the ring rope height off today to Andrea day. It is obvious that the ring ropes were quite a bit taller today. MI think to make a fair comparison of big show and andre the giant fedup is to find pics of big show back in the wcw days, where the ropes were a little bit shorter. I still think show had an inch or two over andre in his peak
Chaz says on 18/Jul/14
RoelC says on 17/Jul/14
JT says on 17/Jul/14
A young Andre and Rene Lasartesse Click Here Andre and Lasartesse several years later after Andre discovered the magic of cowboy boots.
IIRC Lasartesse was billed at 6’6”. Chris posted the latter pic a few years ago and may have commented about Lasartesse’s actual height.

Ouch JT, that's one big mistake you're making there. The guy in the pic with a young Andre is not Rene Lasartesse, but Michel Nador (who was Andre's tag team partner at the time in Japan). Click Here

I've seen European billings of Nador as low as 188cm (6'2"). The picture of him and Andre in a Japanese train cabin is misleading as Andre was a lot taller than him than what that pic is showing.

That is a good photo,if Nador is only 6'2-3'' no way is Andre over 6'10'' in that photo,
ReturnofG says on 17/Jul/14
Iconjj says on 16/Jul/14
Fedup, I believe I have covered the in-ring side of things many times....
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Wow, an aged broken down thin soled Andre was nearly the same ht. as a thick soled near prime Big Show! Like I have said a peak Andre had a peak Big Show by over an inch.
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 17/Jul/14
Is there any possibility that one of the hospitals that treated Andre may have a record on his height and be able to release that information. I don't know if there is a legal concern or not, however it seems to me that this detail can only be settled with an impartial 3rd party, who took the measurement for health, or science.
Chaz says on 17/Jul/14
JT says on 17/Jul/14
A young Andre and Rene Lasartesse Click Here Andre and Lasartesse several years later after Andre discovered the magic of cowboy boots.
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IIRC Lasartesse was billed at 6’6”. Chris posted the latter pic a few years ago and may have commented about Lasartesse’s actual height.

The only reason I have Cowboy boots,was for the same reason,my ex was 5'9'5'' and I am 5'10.5'' in her 3'' heels she was taller than me,so I used to wear them and I was 6'1'' in them.just like Andre got from about 6'10''to 7'+ in them,
RoelC says on 17/Jul/14
JT says on 17/Jul/14
A young Andre and Rene Lasartesse Click Here Andre and Lasartesse several years later after Andre discovered the magic of cowboy boots.
IIRC Lasartesse was billed at 6’6”. Chris posted the latter pic a few years ago and may have commented about Lasartesse’s actual height.

Ouch JT, that's one big mistake you're making there. The guy in the pic with a young Andre is not Rene Lasartesse, but Michel Nador (who was Andre's tag team partner at the time in Japan). Click Here

I've seen European billings of Nador as low as 188cm (6'2"). The picture of him and Andre in a Japanese train cabin is misleading as Andre was a lot taller than him than what that pic is showing.
JT says on 17/Jul/14
A young Andre and Rene Lasartesse Click Here Andre and Lasartesse several years later after Andre discovered the magic of cowboy boots.
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IIRC Lasartesse was billed at 6’6”. Chris posted the latter pic a few years ago and may have commented about Lasartesse’s actual height.
Capt. Nobody says on 16/Jul/14
fedup says on 15/Jul/14
Did any of you geniuses ever think that all you need to do to end the argument is to take the height of the ring (which doesn't change) then scale anything (Andre, Show, etc.) and you have the height. this isn't rocket science boys. pure math... which WWE has the dimensions of the ring and if you know two parts of the equation you solve for the X factor. All this crap of whether this guy is 6'whatever or isn't 7'in boots, or bare feet, or in this picture is just bs. you can look at a cloud all day and come up with how big it is against whatever scale, but at the end you have to use logic, not opinion, not viewpoints, not articles, empirical logic. and this should either end this thread or just give the people who want to hear themselves go on how they know something that no one else does. Why obsess over it anyway?

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His name is IconJJ, he has done all the scaled ring pics you could ever ask for. Maybe he'll share a link to his pic page? I'm pretty sure the question of ring height has been brought up before, if you find out what it is you're more than welcome to share.

And for the record, pure math ain't welcome 'round these parts, haha.
dicksock says on 16/Jul/14
fedup says on 15/Jul/14
Did any of you geniuses ever think that all you need to do to end the argument is to take the height of the ring (which doesn't change) then scale anything (Andre, Show, etc.) and you have the height. this isn't rocket science boys. pure math

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The idea of using the ring to determine his height was used several years ago. There were great comparisons done using Andre and Big Show and Andre and Giant Gonzalez. I believe a poster named Iconjj did them. It showed Andre and Big Showed to be virtually the same height. Your idea is not as simple as you think. We don't know for sure if the dimensions of the ring have remained the same throughout the years. Also, factors such as camera angle, posture, and distance from the ropes will all have an effect on the outcome. Plus, by the time Andre started using a late 80s WWE ring, he probably was shorter than he was in his prime. Realistically, we have narrowed his peak height down to 6'11"-7'0.25". Personally, I think the only time Andre was 7' was out of bed when he was still healthy. Hell, it's possible that he could have woken up as 7', wrestled an evening match as 6'11", and gone to bed as 6'10.75". It's hard to say.
Iconjj says on 16/Jul/14
Fedup, I believe I have covered the in-ring side of things many times....
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longagoposter says on 16/Jul/14
Fedup, you are right but idk how tall the ring ropes are. The height of the ropes may vary slightly as rings have changed over the years. You also have to find pics of wrestlers right next to the ropes to compare. If they are not the guessing game as to how far they are from the ropes decreases the perceived height begins.
Chaz says on 15/Jul/14
fedup says on 15/Jul/14
Did any of you geniuses ever think that all you need to do to end the argument is to take the height of the ring (which doesn't change) then scale anything (Andre, Show, etc.) and you have the height. this isn't rocket science boys. pure math... which WWE has the dimensions of the ring and if you know two parts of the equation you solve for the X factor. All this crap of whether this guy is 6'whatever or isn't 7'in boots, or bare feet, or in this picture is just bs. you can look at a cloud all day and come up with how big it is against whatever scale, but at the end you have to use logic, not opinion, not viewpoints, not articles, empirical logic. and this should either end this thread or just give the people who want to hear themselves go on how they know something that no one else does. Why obsess over it anyway ?

Don't talk rubish,they are not all the same size,and they only have to be 12'' back from the ropes and they will be 1'' shorter and if the ropes are slack or if the camara is lower or higher,you would be taller or shorter in relation to the top rope,and when do you see anyone bolt upright right next to the ropes? with a camara the right height? use your brains.
fedup says on 15/Jul/14
Did any of you geniuses ever think that all you need to do to end the argument is to take the height of the ring (which doesn't change) then scale anything (Andre, Show, etc.) and you have the height. this isn't rocket science boys. pure math... which WWE has the dimensions of the ring and if you know two parts of the equation you solve for the X factor. All this crap of whether this guy is 6'whatever or isn't 7'in boots, or bare feet, or in this picture is just bs. you can look at a cloud all day and come up with how big it is against whatever scale, but at the end you have to use logic, not opinion, not viewpoints, not articles, empirical logic. and this should either end this thread or just give the people who want to hear themselves go on how they know something that no one else does. Why obsess over it anyway?
ReturnofG says on 14/Jul/14
Big Show peak and Andre peak would have have an inch or more difference with Andre being the taller of the two. Andre peak and Khali peak would be closer.
NCL says on 14/Jul/14
Chaz says on 12/Jul/14
Frazier looks very tall here,but cannot see the shoes Click Here

Wait a second - Andre is in that picture. Is there a video of this? Did they walk by each other maybe?
Chaz says on 14/Jul/14
it's no good going on about Big Show,because he was never a full 7 foot.himself.more like 7' morning 6'11''evening,about 6'11'5'' real height.but just has big as Andre,Big Show,frazer Nelson and Andre were all about 35st at there top weights,And Big show was about 1'' taller.
Chaz says on 14/Jul/14
ReturnofG,do you know anything you are talking about? If the jury is (still) out on a subject , people do not yet know the answer or have not yet decided.
Andre was never over 6'10''only in 2'5'' cowboy boots,
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 14/Jul/14
RoelC - Thanks for the information on how facial features are measured scientifically. It never even occurred to me how that would be done. I appreciate the information. As a side note, hoping to see anyone that can attend the National Wrestling Hall of Fame Dan Gable Museum for their yearly induction weekend. I will have a table setup and it would be nice to meet anyone that has the proximity / $ / time, to check it out.
Frank says on 13/Jul/14
Chris it could have been a Muscle Magazine because the the guy who showed me was into weight lifting
Th says on 13/Jul/14
But its clear why it happens. Big show fans have a clear agenda, it coulndt be more obvious Jt is a big show fan who always makes up excuses to make show seem Much taller than andre when The height difference is small
Th says on 13/Jul/14
Its amazing, theres now Loads of pictures with wilt And andre And yet still theres tons of discreditting being doing with Photoshop images, iTS Sad how far some people go to try And downgrade André's height.
RP says on 13/Jul/14
Note: Ed Jones wasn't a true 6'9" barefoot! He was measured at 6'8.25" barefoot. Was even listed at just 6'8" during 3-4 seasons of his NFL career.
Capt. Nobody says on 12/Jul/14
Chaz says on 10/Jul/14
very telling that even the cartoon as a 6'10'' Andre

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Yeah, that settles it then! haha.
Capt. Nobody says on 12/Jul/14
Chaz says on 8/Jul/14
I think Stan Frazier,was taller than most give him,there are few people that have said,Andre and Frazire about the same height,and in the ring they look allmost the same height,if they were both bald,you would have not seen much differance,

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They didn't stand next to eachother in any meaningful way during the SNME wedding thing, but they were close enough to where there was no way they were the same height. On that picture of Andre holding the rope for him I did a picture back in the day where I straightened out Frazier and it's very unlikely he'd be as tall as Andre.
homer says on 12/Jul/14
Anyone care to do a comparison using Dusty Rhodes? There is footage of Rhodes and Andre wrestling. Compare that with footage of Rhodes and Big Show and they look about the same height.
Chaz says on 12/Jul/14
Frazier looks very tall here,but cannot see the shoes Click Here
dicksock says on 12/Jul/14
Can we just all agree that Andre was at least 6'11" at his peak? This should be obvious. At this point, it's clear he was 6'11"-7' at his peak. According to Andre, he was 7'0.25" at his tallest. I can't imagine thinking he was less than 6'11".
me says on 11/Jul/14
Wow thank you JT. More proof of a 7' Andre from the 80's. Especially after comparing Elmer and Too Tall Jones who was in dress shoes. How anyone can say now he as sub 7' is beyond me. Thanks again JT.
ReturnofG says on 10/Jul/14
@Chaz who cares what you put over what? I mean your biased and never had any real argument on here except the telling of how biased you are. I mean does anyone here actually take you serious? Even more important do you take yourself serious. The jury has been out almost two years or better on here as to if Andre being 7 feet. The real question now is if he was just 7 feet or more and Wilt pics show more!
JT says on 10/Jul/14
IMO Stan Frazier was no more than 6’8”. Click Here Charles Barkley (6.4.75” per Rob but at least an inch taller than that) had a full head size on Gene.

Frazier occasionally looked really tall in Memphis wrestling but was wearing cowboy boots, including when he wrestled.

Here’s Frazier next to NFL’s Tony Dorsett (listed at 5’11”) and Dorsett next to NFL’s Ed Too Tall Jones (listed at 6’9”).
Click Here Too bad Jones was unable to participate in the Wrestlemania II battle royal with Andre.

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Chris says on 10/Jul/14
Frank says on 10/Jul/14
I had seen a different picture of Wilt, Andre & Arnold in street clothes in a Magazine along time ago Wilt had Andre buy atleast 2 inches

Frank, can you remember what type of magazine it was? (ie, Muscle, entertainment, movie mag, etc.) That might help me track it down...I have found the three photos that I originally posted on the internet years ago. One was from a Muscular Development magazine, the second was from a Japanese wrestling magazine and the third was from a wrestling newsletter called "The Observer" put out by David Meltzer.
RP says on 10/Jul/14
Actually a barefoot Stan Frazier "Uncle Elmer" was only about 6'7.5" to 6'7.75"
Frank says on 10/Jul/14
I had seen a different picture of Wilt, Andre & Arnold in street clothes in a Magazine along time ago Wilt had Andre buy atleast 2 inches
Chaz says on 10/Jul/14
very telling that even the cartoon as a 6'10'' Andre
Chaz says on 10/Jul/14
ReturnofG says on 9/Jul/14
JT do you even really believe your photoshops? @Vegas....yaadaa yada yada

I would put JT's photoshops over any of your clames,you got Wilt at 7'1 1/4 when we have two measurements of him,one of 7'1 1/8 by a Dr,when he was yunger.and one of 7'.5'' laying down about 7' standing up, with which we have a photo of it taking place,so he's would have been somewere between those two heights,about 7'.5'' which would be about right as he's was an inch shorter than Kareem,who has one measurement of 7'1.6''.
NCL says on 9/Jul/14
I don't know, guys. I think Wilt had a good 2"-3" on Andre, see this video at 2:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZPd4brXPfw&feature=youtu.be
ReturnofG says on 9/Jul/14
JT do you even really believe your photoshops? @Vegas....yaadaa yada yada!
RoelC says on 9/Jul/14
Maurice Tillet Obsessed there's a picture out there of a anthropologist measuring the width of Tillet's head by using a caliper (which is a standard measuring instrument in anthropology). The length of his face was probably measured with a sliding caliper Click Here
. The distance from the root of the nose to the bottom of the chin is referred to in anthropology as the total face length. Click Here
RoelC says on 9/Jul/14
Maurice Tillet Obsessed there's a picture out there of a anthropologist measuring the width of Tillet's head by using a caliper (which is a standard measuring instrument in anthropology). The length of his face was probably measured with a sliding caliper Click Here
. The distance from the root of the nose to the bottom of the chin is referred to in anthropology as the total face length. Click Here
Steve says on 9/Jul/14
I would say Uncle Elmer (Stan Frazier) was 6'9 barefoot. Andre would have around 1 - 2 inches on him if he shaved his head and barefoot.
Capt. Nobody says on 8/Jul/14
RoelC says on 7/Jul/14
Capt. Nobody says on 5/Jul/14
Even with the Tillet debate though, the guy with the ACTUAL HEAD CAST of Tillet comes up with a number different than stated by some on here and even though it's the most realistic proof available, the evidence is quietly swept under the rug or denounced. Whatever keeps conversation going I guess.
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So according to you a measurement of a head cast counts as more realistic proof than a measurement of the actual head itself???
Tillet's head was measured in 1940, a trivial piece of evidence which you seem to be ignoring or denouncing in favour of a measurement of a head cast.
The length of Tillet's head from the bottom of the chin to the root of the nose was 7.05 inches. That's the measurement I used to determine Tillet's total head length which would be around 11.5 inches. According to the head cast the length of Tillet's head from the bottom of the chin to the root of the nose was 8’ 1/8”, so you can ask yourself how realistic this head cast truly is.
Whether or not Tillet's head grew a few inches in 14 years is irrelevant for this discussion. Me, JT and Boss all estimated Tillet's head based on pictures from 1940 (the year of the measurement) and used the 1940 measurement as a reference.
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I just think it's a little more than odd that Boss starts coming up with pretty dang specific numbers about the Tillet head issue itself and then a person that has an actual casting of Tillets head (not saying it's 100% accurate mind you!) comes pretty dang close to verifying the data he had come up with. Boss was practically burned at the stake for it when it turns out that the most solid and real evidence as of now points to him having a good chance of being closer to right than wrong.
Chaz says on 8/Jul/14
I think Stan Frazier,was taller than most give him,there are few people that have said,Andre and Frazire about the same height,and in the ring they look allmost the same height,if they were both bald,you would have not seen much differance,
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 8/Jul/14
The original article on Maurice's head size:"Bismarck Tribune May 28, 1941 -
Most interesting, of course, to the doctors was M. Tillet's head, the largest they had ever seen, so large in fact that they couldn't get all of the chin on the X-ray plate. The length of the face, from the root of Tillet's nose to the bottom of the chin, is 179 millimeters, compared with a normally large masculine face at 125, the width of his face, from ear to ear, is 181, compared to a large man's 110."
We're assuming Bizmark first got it right. Next -
Please note that by root it seems they mean the very top of the nose near the eye's. Measuring anatomy to me is quite troubling. Where exactly is that root of the nose. My ruler makes it 8 inches without any problem. This may be because ACRO expanded the jaw forward from 1940-1954, or it could be skin and fat around the face. Accurate measurements on flesh seems to me to be particularly troubling when having to take into account flesh, and in some cases hair and shoes from a picture. Strip everything down to bone and you can measure relatively accurately. Perhaps that is what the scientists were doing with Maurice. Likely they found the bones of the face and then taking that measurement. That extra, almost full inch I find on the bust may just be that, flesh. Best of luck! TOM
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 8/Jul/14
Clarification - Earlier on it was reported that J.R. said he once handled a Death Mask of Maurice at Paul Boesch's place. I spoke with Mrs. Boesch and she said it was bronze. I therefore assumed it was not a death mask, and one of the Louis Linck made sculpts that are all bronze in color. All the death masks are pink, and one white, that was the reason for the assumption. I was wrong. Yesterday I received a picture that confirms it was, in fact, another unknown death mask was at the home of Paul Boesch. The literature say's that three were made, however the evidence now shows there were 4. As for the measurements you used to detail/estimate, of Maurice's head. I did a conversion from metric for the blog. I should go back and place the original values back in so there is no chance my conversions were off. Respectfully, TOM
Chaz says on 8/Jul/14
Capt.Nobody,the only thing swept under the carpet,is why a 1975 peak bolt upright under 400lbs Andre has not got 2'' on a 100% 4'11'' Shoemaker Click Here

and that mag shows he's hand were under 10''we know the size and the mag,now we know the size of he's face,under 12'
JT says on 8/Jul/14
Andre and Stan Frazier standing in front of the same wall Click Here The top of Frazier's head ends up higher on that 11th tile b/c of the lower camera angle. Frazier’s website claims they were the same height although Andre usually looked at least 2 inches taller than Frazier standing next to the same people (Gene, Piper, Hogan, Ventura, Bundy, etc.)

No one’s arguing about the length of Tillet’s head cast but instead the length of his actual head. Richard Kiel’s "life-size" head cast taken on the set of some movie in the 1980s measures almost 16 inches long from the chin to the top of his head, so it obviously doesn’t prove anything. The posts on this topic are still on this page yet it still doesn't sink in for a few here.
RoelC says on 7/Jul/14
Capt. Nobody says on 5/Jul/14
Even with the Tillet debate though, the guy with the ACTUAL HEAD CAST of Tillet comes up with a number different than stated by some on here and even though it's the most realistic proof available, the evidence is quietly swept under the rug or denounced. Whatever keeps conversation going I guess.
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So according to you a measurement of a head cast counts as more realistic proof than a measurement of the actual head itself???
Tillet's head was measured in 1940, a trivial piece of evidence which you seem to be ignoring or denouncing in favour of a measurement of a head cast.
The length of Tillet's head from the bottom of the chin to the root of the nose was 7.05 inches. That's the measurement I used to determine Tillet's total head length which would be around 11.5 inches. According to the head cast the length of Tillet's head from the bottom of the chin to the root of the nose was 8’ 1/8”, so you can ask yourself how realistic this head cast truly is.
Whether or not Tillet's head grew a few inches in 14 years is irrelevant for this discussion. Me, JT and Boss all estimated Tillet's head based on pictures from 1940 (the year of the measurement) and used the 1940 measurement as a reference.
Capt. Nobody says on 5/Jul/14
Iconjj says on 4/Jul/14
Guys, why don't y'all just ask Chris on Andre's Facebook page about Andre's hand size, I think he has shirts and scans and all sorts of stuff....this is getting to be like the French Angel debate, lol.

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At least it's down to under a half inch difference most likely this time, haha.

Even with the Tillet debate though, the guy with the ACTUAL HEAD CAST of Tillet comes up with a number different than stated by some on here and even though it's the most realistic proof available, the evidence is quietly swept under the rug or denounced. Whatever keeps conversation going I guess.
Capt. Nobody says on 5/Jul/14
Chaz says on 4/Jul/14
How about a shot where they are side by side?


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I flipped the shot because sometimes that will give a different perspective in object relation. You follow the line, tell me what you see.

I tell you what I see look at the feet? Andre is side on and nera the camara Arnold is 2nd nera the camara and Wilt is at the back.
and it's clear Andre's hands are about 9'5'',and he's face is 2'' longer like I have been saying,and he's 2 face taller than Shoemaker with much thicker Boots on,even if you take off 1'' for Shoemaker being in front,even tho there is no way he's 12''closer,you still have at most a 6'10.5'' Andre in 1975,the thing with Andre's hands is they were very thick much thicker than most Giants,and the same with he's head,it't the hat size,I would like to know about not the face,that is what you are mixing up when you keep saying he's had a big head,the face is about 11.5'',no 6'5'' person should be up he's eyes,they should be under he's nose.

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Shouldn't have to illustrate it with a picture because it's so obvious. Look at Wilts and Andre's back foot. What do you see? They are almost exactly in line. Sorry but this is pretty much as close to a side by side shot as you can get. Andre may have the right part of his body turned more towards the camera but considering the angle of this shot it would have virtually no effect on the relative height of these objects.
homer says on 5/Jul/14
Bob Backlund and Arnold Schwarzenegger prove Andre was a 7 footer. What are the non believers crying about? Camera angles, footwear, or Andres hand size?
Iconjj says on 4/Jul/14
Guys, why don't y'all just ask Chris on Andre's Facebook page about Andre's hand size, I think he has shirts and scans and all sorts of stuff....this is getting to be like the French Angel debate, lol.
Chaz says on 4/Jul/14
How about a shot where they are side by side?


Click Here


I flipped the shot because sometimes that will give a different perspective in object relation. You follow the line, tell me what you see.

I tell you what I see look at the feet? Andre is side on and nera the camara Arnold is 2nd nera the camara and Wilt is at the back.
and it's clear Andre's hands are about 9'5'',and he's face is 2'' longer like I have been saying,and he's 2 face taller than Shoemaker with much thicker Boots on,even if you take off 1'' for Shoemaker being in front,even tho there is no way he's 12''closer,you still have at most a 6'10.5'' Andre in 1975,the thing with Andre's hands is they were very thick much thicker than most Giants,and the same with he's head,it't the hat size,I would like to know about not the face,that is what you are mixing up when you keep saying he's had a big head,the face is about 11.5'',no 6'5'' person should be up he's eyes,they should be under he's nose.
Halb says on 4/Jul/14
That's a 2" spanner in the works.
Capt. Nobody says on 3/Jul/14
JT says on 25/Jun/14
Chaz, Andre’s wrist was probably a legit 12 inches in circumference. When he turned to the side, you can see how large his wrist really was Click Here

I’m really lean but my wrist is still around 7.5” in circumference and Andre’s wrist dwarfs mine. Click Here Part of that is from his obesity but his bone structure was still about as large as it gets. BTW, my hand is around 8.25-8.5” long depending on what portion of the wrist you start from so it’s pretty obvious Andre’s hands weren't even 10 inches long.

Capt. Nobody says on 24/Jun/14

No tricks in his boots this time apparently. The line from his chin down is the difference between shots, and that line correlates almost identically the length of his heel. So.....

Andre’s head is tilted back when holding up Mike Douglas so it’s pointless comparing the level of the chins. Same thing with Gagne. Look at where the top of Andre’s head is in both pics and there’s a significant gap. Andre in ~0.5" heels in front of a live audience didn't have much more than a head size on Gene and that was only a few months after the pics with Wilt and Arnold.


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OK, which side of the magazine is more accurate relative to where Andre's hand is?

Here is the length of his hand up to his middle finger in relation to the left side of the magazine.

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I'm not saying you're making claims that are out of this world, just that there are some variables in the evidence used. If you're getting down to a quarter of an inch, a quarter of an inch of difference can be huge.
Capt. Nobody says on 3/Jul/14
Chaz says on 25/Jun/14
yes Capt.Nobody,Andre is not nera the camara or got Cowbow boots with 6+cm soles. he's side by side with Wilt in 2.5cm soled cowbow boots that are size 18+ Click Here use your brains if Andre was taller he would have been at the back,he's gaining at least 3cm from the boots and about 4cm from being side on and nera the camara,and the camara is over Andre's side,


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How about a shot where they are side by side?


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I flipped the shot because sometimes that will give a different perspective in object relation. You follow the line, tell me what you see.
Vegas says on 2/Jul/14
ReturnofG says on 30/Jun/14
B.Wilt in just about every pic seems to be around 1 inch taller than Shaq who btw is at least 1 inch taller than Big Show

Shaq 7'0.5 peak
Show 7'1/4 peak
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so by 2009 big show (37 years old) had lost 2 inches...
JT says on 1/Jul/14
Chaz, I’m 6’4”ish so my hand isn’t that long for my height. The magazine Andre is holding up measures 7 ¼ x 10 1/8”. Click Here Not to get too technical but since Andre is not holding the magazine straight to the camera (left edge about 95% the length of the right edge) and since there’s also a slight bend in the magazine where he’s pushing in on it, his hand probably ends up a little longer and wider than what it should be next to mine (where I had the magazine flat on a table). Still a huge hand but clearly less than 10” long.

Hand length does not prove Andre's height although we can use the length of his hand (under 10”) to estimate the length of his head.
Click Here Click Here Therefore if he has a full head size or less on certain people...
ReturnofG says on 30/Jun/14
Ok here I go throwing that monkey wrench in any sub 7 foot peak Andre.
A. Andre and Wilt appear roughly the same height even if Andre has over 200 pounds more weight on his spine.
B.Wilt in just about every pic seems to be around 1 inch taller than Shaq who btw is at least 1 inch taller than Big Show and Khali is slightly taller than Shaq. Plus it is also a peak Shaq vs an aged Wilt.
C. Any use of pics comparing Andre with Hogan and Show with Hogan are vertially useless.
D. I would even bet Andre during any part of his adult life was ever shorter that 6'10.5 or even as high as 6'11.
E. with every pic of Andre looking sub 7 foot there are at least 5 where he looks taller.
F. Dave meltzer is genuine loser when it comes to any kind of facts!

Basically a peak Andre would be more comparable to Shaq or Khali than Big Show. Silva 7'1.5-2 peak
Andre 7'1-1.5 peak
Wilt 7'1 1/4 peak
Khali 7'1 (Yeti too)peaks
Shaq 7'0.5 peak
Show 7'1/4 peak
Gonzales 7'7 peak
Chaz says on 29/Jun/14
er4smiths says on 26/Jun/14
@Chaz You seem to be one of the few people that have any observation skills.
How do you post pics on this forum? I want to post a few to prove that Andre was only 6'9".

I use TinyURL.com you just copy on the http of what you are wanting to post,then go on the sight,and paste it in the box and it make's it shorter,then you copy the smaller http,then you paste on here,or just google,how do I post things useing TinyUrl.and you will find things showing you how to do it,
Richard says on 29/Jun/14
@chaz your reasoning is sound, it is however hard to extrapolate height from hand size. I'm only 6'2 but my hands are 8.66 inches long and I wear size 14 shoes. The individual variance is just too great to make an accurate assessment of someone's height from their extremities. That being said Andre is holding his hand up against a magazine whereas jt seems to be pressing his hand down hard, possibly against a table. On an already large hand that could make a significant difference, Andre might even have gained half an inch had he done the same.
Chaz says on 26/Jun/14
JT, hands are measured palm side to the first creese on the wrist,and wrist size is used to measure bone size because there is not much fat on the wrist,small is 7.25''or under mediam is 7.25-8''and anything over 8 is large,and over 9'' is masive,or tho as you say Andre was full of Hydro blote from the HGH, same with the hands,I remmber seeing Chris Greener on TV say after he' was treated for the Acromegaly,with radiation,he's shos size whent down from size 21uk to 18,and he's ring size went down 5 sizes, Andre's Hands are no longer than Big Show's there just thicker from the hydro blote,there no more than 9'5'' which is masive,when you think most mens hands are only 7.5'',if you are measureing your hands right,you must be tall yourself 8.25'' would make you over 6'3''
er4smiths says on 26/Jun/14
@Chaz You seem to be one of the few people that have any observation skills.
How do you post pics on this forum? I want to post a few to prove that Andre was only 6'9" These people wanting Andre to be 7' plus kill me...
JT says on 25/Jun/14
Chaz, Andre’s wrist was probably a legit 12 inches in circumference. When he turned to the side, you can see how large his wrist really was Click Here

I’m really lean but my wrist is still around 7.5” in circumference and Andre’s wrist dwarfs mine. Click Here Part of that is from his obesity but his bone structure was still about as large as it gets. BTW, my hand is around 8.25-8.5” long depending on what portion of the wrist you start from so it’s pretty obvious Andre’s hands weren't even 10 inches long.

Capt. Nobody says on 24/Jun/14

No tricks in his boots this time apparently. The line from his chin down is the difference between shots, and that line correlates almost identically the length of his heel. So.....

Andre’s head is tilted back when holding up Mike Douglas so it’s pointless comparing the level of the chins. Same thing with Gagne. Look at where the top of Andre’s head is in both pics and there’s a significant gap. Andre in ~0.5" heels in front of a live audience didn't have much more than a head size on Gene and that was only a few months after the pics with Wilt and Arnold.
Chaz says on 25/Jun/14
yes Capt.Nobody,Andre is side by side with Wilt got only a 1'' heel on a size 18 cowbow boots and the camara is not over Andre's side,and you can see all the heel under the pants lol Click Here
Chaz says on 25/Jun/14
yes Capt.Nobody,Andre is not nera the camara or got Cowbow boots with 6+cm soles. he's side by side with Wilt in 2.5cm soled cowbow boots that are size 18+ Click Here use your brains if Andre was taller he would have been at the back,he's gaining at least 3cm from the boots and about 4cm from being side on and nera the camara,and the camara is over Andre's side,
Chaz says on 25/Jun/14
you need a 6'8'' Hogan,a 7'2'' Big Show a 6'11'' Mane a 7' Nash and a 6'8''Kamala and a 6'8''Chris Talor and about a 6'10-11'' Haystacks and Baba,if you want a 7'1'' Andre,
Capt. Nobody says on 24/Jun/14
JT says on 23/Jun/14
Another pic of Andre and Muhammad Ali Click Here Andre measured up to 6’2” Jim Duggan about the same 12 years later. Click Here Wilt looks significantly taller with Ali Click Here

The heels on Andre’s cowboy boots with Wilt look in the 2 inch range. However, since they are custom made, we don’t know how much boost he’s also getting from the inside. Andre in cowboy boots looks more than 2 inches taller next to 5’10”ish Verne Gagne than he does in wrestling boots. Click Here He could stand a little taller in the left pic as well. Same outcome when Andre was in and out of cowboy boots with Gene Okerlund Click Here He's in front of a live audience here with Gene in Feb. 1984 so no tricks.



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No tricks in his boots this time apparently. The line from his chin down is the difference between shots, and that line correlates almost identically the length of his heel. So.....

Click Here
Capt. Nobody says on 24/Jun/14
Chaz says on 23/Jun/14
It's clear Wilt was 2.5-3'' taller than Andre,and one things for sure if Andre had a 13.5'' face then all 5'8'' of Gene Okerlund,had a nere 11''face.

as JT said Andre was about Bill Russell's height,maybe .5'' taller,

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Yeah, it's especially clear when you ignore the Andre/Wilt shots.

I do find it somewhat comical that you have actual photos of the two men in question standing together, yet, a piecemeal comparison shot with different people is the go to for proof.
Capt. Nobody says on 24/Jun/14
Logic says on 20/Jun/14
This isn't really Andre related. But here is a photo of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell standing nearly face to face. Bill was supposedly close to 6'10" at his peak.

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Andre would have to be wearing stilts to even come close to Wilt in the Arnold shots if this is even close to accurate.
Capt. Nobody says on 24/Jun/14
Logic says on 20/Jun/14
Here is a close up side view photo of the boots that Wilt Chamberlain was wearing with Andre.

Click Here

You can easily see the outline of the sole. The front part of the soles of Wilt's boots just behind his toes seems to have been nearly as thick as the heel.

I would guess that Wilt is probably getting around an 1" or so height boost with those boots.

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Good find. I remember the days when he was supposedly in moccasins, haha. Also, Andre is technically taller than Wilt in two of the shots. The top of his head is higher than Wilts most likely.
Chaz says on 24/Jun/14
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Chaz says on 24/Jun/14
Click Here thing to remmber is if you want a 7'1'' Andre you have to up everyone else height,that would make Haystacks nere he's billed height,and he's the one not standing upright or at he's peak,and look how much bigger Haystacks is all over compaired to Andre? look at the size of the legs and those massive forarms? there bigger than Andre's upper arms,got to be at least 20'' and there are clames Andre had 12.5''wrists lol
homer says on 23/Jun/14
there are no camera tricks in the Andre and Wilt pictures.
Steve says on 23/Jun/14
Duhon, when lookin at the pic with Ali, Russell and Kareem, Andre looks about Bill Russells height give or take an inch...
Chaz says on 23/Jun/14
It's clear Wilt was 2.5-3'' taller than Andre,and one things for sure if Andre had a 13.5'' face then all 5'8'' of Gene Okerlund,had a nere 11''face.

as JT said Andre was about Bill Russell's height,maybe .5'' taller,
JT says on 23/Jun/14
Another pic of Andre and Muhammad Ali Click Here Andre measured up to 6’2” Jim Duggan about the same 12 years later. Click Here Wilt looks significantly taller with Ali Click Here

The heels on Andre’s cowboy boots with Wilt look in the 2 inch range. However, since they are custom made, we don’t know how much boost he’s also getting from the inside. Andre in cowboy boots looks more than 2 inches taller next to 5’10”ish Verne Gagne than he does in wrestling boots. Click Here He could stand a little taller in the left pic as well. Same outcome when Andre was in and out of cowboy boots with Gene Okerlund Click Here He's in front of a live audience here with Gene in Feb. 1984 so no tricks.
Giantism says on 22/Jun/14
First let's address the Wilt comparison. Every height "listing" by the WAY or NBA are almost every time a guesstimate. Wilt had verified 6'10" men by 4-5" in every photo ever taken of him standing with one. Kareem was the same way. Andre was at the very least equal in height to Wilt in that picture. Every photo used to try and diminish Andre'a height uses where people come up to Andre's head as a reference, but erroneously assumes a normal size head. Andre had giantism, his head kept growing at an accelerated rate up to his death which made him taller as a result. He was easily 7'3" at some point before height loss occurred.
Duhon says on 21/Jun/14
Muhammud Ali standing in between Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul Jabbar Click Here
Steve says on 20/Jun/14
Vegas, Gene looks like he has about 1 inch soles on his shoes, Andre's cowboy boots have at least 2 to 2.5 inch heels on them. Remember they would be around size 20 so the heels on Andres boots can't be the same as a regular sized mans boots of around size 8 - 12.
Logic says on 20/Jun/14
This isn't really Andre related. But here is a photo of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell standing nearly face to face. Bill was supposedly close to 6'10" at his peak.

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Logic says on 20/Jun/14
Here is a close up side view photo of the boots that Wilt Chamberlain was wearing with Andre.

Click Here

You can easily see the outline of the sole. The front part of the soles of Wilt's boots just behind his toes seems to have been nearly as thick as the heel.

I would guess that Wilt is probably getting around an 1" or so height boost with those boots.
dicksock says on 20/Jun/14
Vegas: That Andre/Gene pic was several years before the Wilt ones. Plus, do honestly believe he only had one pair of cowboy boots? The ones from the Wilt pic do not look that big. I stand by what I said. It doesn't look like his heels were very big in the Wilt photo I provided the link to. Maybe 2" at the absolute most and that would still make Andre a solid 6'11" even if they were.
Chaz says on 20/Jun/14
dicksock,as you don't seem to understand what being nera the camara meens,let me show you here is 190cm Zydrunas Savickas,standing next to 205cm Hafpor Bjorsson,the camara is over Savickas side that is why he's only looking 2-2.5'' shorter,for every 12'' forword or sideways,as in this case,you gain or lose 1'',when they are side by side,Savicas only comes up to Bjorsson's nose,Click Here
ReturnofG says on 19/Jun/14
dicksock says on 16/Jun/14
Yeah, Wilt really dwarfs Andre in this pic:

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They are both lined up nearly perfectly and Andre's footwear is in no way giving him more than 2", more like 1.5"-1.75". Again, for the millionth time, this picture was most likely taken in the morning when Andre was ~7' and Wilt was ~7'1". Enough excuses and bogus comparisons, this picture speaks for itself.

@Dicksock......ignore Chaz and the other troll.....er4smith or what ever name he uses this week, they know the truth, they're just trying to make everyone else believe that they're not wrong.
ReturnofG says on 19/Jun/14
Chaz says on 16/Jun/14
RetrunofG need I say more?Click Here

No really you don't trust me.
dicksock says on 19/Jun/14
Chaz: I didn't draw the lines in that picture. You are just making stuff up at this point. Andre is not significantly closer to the camera, anyone can see those boots did not have a 3" heel or even close to it, and this is not the only picture where they looked the same height. If anything the person who drew the lines was favorable to Wilt in that pic. Wilt's line is drawn pretty much where the top of his head would be if he assumed perfect posture.
Vegas says on 19/Jun/14
dicksock says on 16/Jun/14
They are both lined up nearly perfectly and Andre's footwear is in no way giving him more than 2", more like 1.5"-1.75".
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thats around the same time as the wilt photo was taken, if gene is getting roughly 1 inch from his shoes then andre is getting far more than 1.5 inches.. Click Here
er4smiths says on 18/Jun/14
@dicksock - dude you are beyond wrong and obviously blind. Andre was no more than 6'9" EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BJL says on 18/Jun/14
I think andre was a weak 7 feet man. Only time he was 7 foot was probably in the mid to late 70s out of the bed after an 8 hour sleep. He looked more in the 6'10.5 - 6'11 range during his wrestling matches. He looked like a strong 6'11 guy with Wilt in that B&W photo. 6'11 + 1.75-2 inch footwear = 7'0.75 - 7'1 in footwear.
Chaz says on 18/Jun/14
icksock says on 16/Jun/14
Yeah, Wilt really dwarfs Andre in this pic:

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They are both lined up nearly perfectly and Andre's footwear is in no way giving him more than 2", more like 1.5"-1.75". Again, for the millionth time, this picture was most likely taken in the morning when Andre was ~7' and Wilt was ~7'1". Enough excuses and bogus comparisons, this picture speaks for itself.

don't talk rubish,Wilt as got he's head down,in flat soles,and Andre is nera the camara, and it over he's side and in 2.5-3'' cowboy boots,and you have that line too far off both there heads,and how do you know what time of day they took the Photo? that is the only photo were they look the same hight because Wilt's got he's head down,you got to add 1/2 to Wilt for haveing he's head down,take 2''of for Andre's boots.and 1/2''at least for being side on and over the camara side,and who as been saying Wilt Dwarfs Andre? most on here are saying he was 2-3'' shorter,
dicksock says on 16/Jun/14
Yeah, Wilt really dwarfs Andre in this pic:

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They are both lined up nearly perfectly and Andre's footwear is in no way giving him more than 2", more like 1.5"-1.75". Again, for the millionth time, this picture was most likely taken in the morning when Andre was ~7' and Wilt was ~7'1". Enough excuses and bogus comparisons, this picture speaks for itself.
Chaz says on 16/Jun/14
Capt.Mobody,that red line on he's forhead is not even 2'' to the top of he's head

Sultan Kosen has 27.5cm 10.75'' hands so you can forget anything over 9'5'' for Andre.Click Here
Chaz says on 16/Jun/14
JT says on 13/Jun/14
Click Here Andre was around Bill Russell's height.

That looks more like it,than all this rubish about being taller than Wilt, and Again you can use Andre's 9.5''ish Hand next to Ali,to see he's Face is no more than 2'' longer.
Chaz says on 16/Jun/14
RetrunofG need I say more?Click Here
ReturnofG says on 13/Jun/14
Chaz says on 11/Jun/14
RetrunofG yer Andre was taller than Wilt lol Click Here


Oh, look everybody, Chaz just proved Wilt was taller than Muhammad Ali! LOL!!
Capt. Nobody says on 13/Jun/14
Chaz says on 11/Jun/14
Boss,you are just making yourself seem foolish,you are too far up Andre's hair,and counting the chin fat,take 1.5'' off that you would have he's real face size, better still work it out from he's under 10'' hands Click Here

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I did a comparison, but just a quickie:

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Not really a great comparison shot because of the position of Andre's head and the angle of the shot. Do to the flat angle you may have some size distortion with objects closer to the camera being slightly larger than they should. With that said, Andre's head is certainly bigger than his hands. How much in this shot? Hard to tell since you'd have to guess a little about how it would look if Andre raised his head to the same angle of his hand. I'd certainly say between 2-3 inches is possible.

Now the question is how long Andre's hands really were. If I remember correctly the basis of the comparison was the shot of Andre's hand relative to the Japanese wrestling magazine, correct? I was looking at it and noticed one potentially major issue with it. Some size distortion has occurred.

The line JT used is based on Andres hand to the tip of his middle finger, but the length of the magazine is not consistent from one side to the other:

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If compared to the left side Andre's hand would be the absolute length of the Magazine. Compared to the other, which it was, his hand would come out shorter. I'm not sure of the absolute ramifications of the distortion to Andre's hand but I guess a compromise would be to split the difference?
JT says on 13/Jun/14
Click Here Andre was around Bill Russell's height.
ReturnofG says on 12/Jun/14
Chaz says on 11/Jun/14
RetrunofG yer Andre was taller than Wilt lol Click Here

Your point????
Chaz says on 11/Jun/14
RetrunofG yer Andre was taller than Wilt lol Click Here
Chaz says on 11/Jun/14
Boss,you are just making yourself seem foolish,you are too far up Andre's hair,and counting the chin fat,take 1.5'' off that you would have he's real face size, better still work it out from he's under 10'' hands Click Here
Chaz says on 11/Jun/14
Boss,you are too far off Andre's head,and counting the chin fat,take 1'5'' inch off then you will have the real size I have allready shown that he's face was no more than 2'' longer than he's hands, or are you claming he had 11''+ hands?
Boss says on 10/Jun/14
Thanks to Maurice fan we have an actual measurement of Maurice Tillet's head at 13.5" in length on a 5'8.5" body. Andre's head looked huge on a 7' body. Click Here Click Here


Hogan's head is around 10.5" making Andre's head 13.05" is you want to do the math.Click Here


Andre is on video in 1971 at the age of 25 claiming to be 7'0.25" (214cm) which I believe to be true. 7'0.25" doesn't sound like a billed height to me. Andre was still wrestling in Europe at the time. This would be around the time of Andre's peak height before his 400-500 pound days with good posture and before his disease started taking over his body. Andre had lost some height or wasn't standing at his tallest by the 80's due to a curved and compressed spine because of his massive size and poor posture. His disease untreated would start working against Andre's body at a very young age after his long bones had fused. So from Andre's mid 20's on his body kept growing and gaining more and more weight until he couldn't carry himself around without crutches by his mid 40's. Andre would also lose over 2 inches in height over the course of a day. thClick Here
ReturnofG says on 9/Jun/14
The discussion should be now if he was taller than 7 feet peak or just 7 feet tall or how much taller than 7 feet he was. I mean it is now far proven he was at leats 7 feet tall. That is like a discussion from 4 years back. Logic has proven him to be 7 feet or over!
Chaz says on 9/Jun/14
all this talk about Andre only getting 1.5'' from those cowboy boots is rubish,Robert Wadlow's dress shoes have a 2'' heel, and when Alamm Channa went in to Hospital,after claming he was 8'3'' was found to be only 7'10'' in shoes and 7'8'' barefoot,later given 7'7'25''avarage height by Guinness,and he was only in hand made sandles,they make the heels to match the size of the shoes, Those heels on Andre's boots give him at least 2.5''and more than likely 3''
Chaz says on 7/Jun/14
Andre clamed to be 7'2''+ in Japan,so any clame you can take with a pinch of salt,he was Billed in the Uk in the late 1960s at 6'10''and they made a big deal of Big Bruno Elrington billed 6'5' and 280lbs,more than likely only 6'4'' as not being that much smaller,No way is Andre any 6'11.5'' next to wilt bare foot,with them cowbow boots and Side on pose,that would make him over 7'2''lol,And there are people claming he lost height by that time,He looks at most a weak 6'10'' the same he looks next to Hogan,Wepna,Taylor years befor,Wilt was more than likely only 7' in that photo,as he was only 7.5'' laying down.the 208cm was he's real height,he never got any taller just got bigger from the untreated Acromegaly.
dicksock says on 6/Jun/14
JT says on 6/Jun/14
Dicksock, Andre in 1971 was billed at 214 cm. so he's probably just repeating that billing Click Here

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I think you're missing my point. Andre was billed at, and claimed to be 7'0.25 at 25. He is also on video claiming he stopped growing at 24. My point was to show that it is unreasonable to think he was taller than that because of those facts.

Like I've been saying for years, Andre was likely 6'11.5" barefoot in the Wilt pictures and ~7'1" in his boots.
RP says on 6/Jun/14
Most telling thing from the video of Studd, Adonis & Murdoch vs Hogan & Andre, is that when a peak Studd walks past a young & Peak Vince McMahon backstage with no camera angle tricks was only 5"-5.5" inches taller!!! Peak Vince was 6'1" to 6'1.5"? we've known for years that a peak Andre was only 6" taller than a peak Hogan. Studd looked 1.5" taller than Hogan in the ring. I'll go 6'1.5" for a peak barefoot Vince McMahon. Simply because a peak 6'3" Jesse Ventura always had him by at Least 1.5", sometimes it looked like 2"-2.5",,,but that was when Jesse would be wearing cowboy boots.
ReturnofG says on 6/Jun/14
@navin420

Awesome find! I have been saying this for years. Andre and Wilt were around the same height and Wilt was proven in about every pic taller than Shaq who was taller than Big Show. I'd go as far as saying a peak Andre was taller than Wilt!
JT says on 6/Jun/14
Click Here Andre and Hogan in comparable footwear. This is July 1984, or within a year of Andre’s photos with Wilt.

Click Here Hogan in b-ball shoes; Shaq in sandals. Hogan’s 40-41 here so he has not lost any height.

You can’t read much into Andre’s photos with Wilt since he’s closer to the camera in at least three of the four known pics. Plus he’s wearing cowboy boots that were custom made for him by Tony Lama and were intended to make him stand as tall as possible.

Dicksock, Andre in 1971 was billed at 214 cm. so he's probably just repeating that billing Click Here
franz says on 5/Jun/14
certanly arnold knows who Was taller,but who can ask him that?
me says on 5/Jun/14
@dicksock
You again are spot on dealing in fact and not anything else. He claimed that because that was what he was. Not some inflated Kayfabe. This is just another reason why Rob has a peak height of 7'. I still believe he was slightly over 7' but that is my opinion.
Flair says on 4/Jun/14
How can people say Andre was taller than Shaq when at bash of the beach 94 Shaq in sandals was noticeably taller next to Hogan than Andre had been next to Hogan in 1987, 84 or 1980.
dicksock says on 4/Jun/14
I'll say this one more time: Andre is on video in 1971 at the age of 25 claiming to be 7'0.25". He claimed, on video, that he stopped growing at 24. Therefore, any listing or estimate for his height above 7'0.25" or 214cm is wrong. Andre peaked between 211cm and 214cm or 6'11"-7'0.25". His height out of bed in his prime was likely 7'.
Chaz says on 4/Jun/14
navin420 says on 2/Jun/14
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?

LOl are you liveing on another planet? if Andre was 7'1.5'',how tall dose that make Wilt? seeing Andre looks shorter,got 3'' cowboy boots on and neara the camara,look at Andre's heels,they are just as high as the insteps,my instep on my size 11 Cowboy boots are 3.25'' and the heels are 2.75'', why are you trying to compare one photo,to another? when you have Wilt,who was mesaured at 7.5'' laying down,and looks the same height as Shaq,standing next to each other,standing back to back,bare foot Wilt would be 2'5-3'' taller,and anyone saying Andre was Kiel's height need help.
Steve says on 3/Jun/14
@Navin420: That photo comparison means absolutely nothing. Andre would have never been taller than 7'1 Shaq. Its laughable that you think that, its actually very funny. You cannot put 2 photos next to each other and compare heights of people.

Why is it that you cut Wilt out of the photo and only show Andre next to Arnold? I guess you do that because Andre doesn't come up at 7'1 next to Wilt who was 7'0.5 to 7'1. You always need to compare people in the SAME photo, not place 2 photos next to each other. Andre comes up around 6'11 to 6'11.5 next to Wilt if you take away his cowboy boots and fuzzy hair.
navin420 says on 2/Jun/14
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203429944087839&set=a.3840602132106.2166925.1189625965&type=1&theater

BEHOLD PEOPLE !!!!!!!!! The baby has finally solved the million Dollar question ! How tall is the EIGHTH WONDER OF THE WORLD ANDRE THE GIANT ? Well he is 7' 1.5 " Barefoot !!! Here is the proof which NO ONE on this planet can now argue . Here is 6' 1.5" Uncle arnold with the same Giants and same posture ! It turns out that Andre is an Inch taller than a 7' 1" Shaq !!!!! before anyone can say Andre has Cowboy boots on , Please take a look at Shaq's massive Nikkies !!!


I Just find it at facebook...
[Editor Rob: it's harder to compare these guys in those photos because one camera is quite low, the other higher up.]
Stonecold Fan says on 1/Jun/14
RP I highly doubt Andre wore lifts throught out his career, on the other hand neither did big show but had bigger heels definitely. My personal opinion I think Big Show and Andre would've match up as far height and size wise goes. I saw Andre in the early 80s and Big Show a couple of years ago. I a guy who plays for the Adelaide 36ers who is a tad over 7 feet ( I know this for a fact because he comes in to the shop I work at and ducks to get through the 6'11 and a half inch door I measured) but from the human eye you couldn't tell the difference between 3. But that's with the human eye. Put them standing next to each other then that's a different story. I've seen and that's what I believe.
Khalid says on 1/Jun/14
GOOD BYE ANDRE HATERS ! This is the last nail in the coffin ! I found this post in my page. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203429944087839&set=a.3840602132106.2166925.1189625965&type=1&theater
Flair says on 1/Jun/14
Q, thats an excellent piece of evidence. Clearly shows a peak Andre being listed at 208cm. That alone is enough proof that those arguing 6ft 11 or 7ft for Andre are clearly wrong.
RP says on 31/May/14
You're right...Andre's boot from the 70's looked to have 0.75" to 1" soles. However, when he switched to the all block new style boots in 1987, they were a bit thicker in the sole. Big Show's soles are at least 0.75" thicker than Andre's after looking at them closely...you are correct. But, now...we gotta ask ourselves if any of these guys ever wore the 1" internal lifts that many have claimed. I personally have no idea how men this heavy could wrestle with a 1" insert in the sole of their boots, without wrecking their ankles???
Stonecold Fan says on 31/May/14
RP, I'm debating wether you've seen Andres boots and Big Shows, there's no way Andres wrestling boots give him a 1 and 1/2 inch boost like Big Shows.. That's my point, unless your friend saw Andre in his cowboy boots
RP says on 29/May/14
Stone Cold fan...My friend Brian actually says Paul Wight is 7'1" & change in his wrestling boots. I asked him again last week via a text Message ...his response, "Paul is 6'11.75" barefoot if we catch him in the morning & almost 7'1.5" in his wrestling boots. And is weighing in the low 420's right now.
me says on 28/May/14
@Steve
I would agree that we should use the Wilt pics as the best way to determine Andre's height. Using pics of people 6" or more shorter is pointless. I do disagree with your assessment of his height, however your logic is spot on.
dicksock says on 28/May/14
Here is Andre from June 1991 with Jake Roberts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOLHahmFJsw

He looks about 5" taller than Jake and that is on crutches a year and a half before he died. He still looked a solid 6'10" after his major knee surgery. I don't really have trouble believing that he could have woken up at 7' out of bed in his mid 20s.
Alex 6'0 says on 25/May/14
I think Andre needs a peak height and post peak height on here. No way was 7'0 when he faced Hogan at WM. I even doubt 7'0 peak. I think more 6'11 peak and time he died he looked more 6'9 range to be honest. Big Show was taller at his peak of 7'0
Capt. Nobody says on 24/May/14
Ali Baba says on 19/May/14
I'm still confused about what Maurice Tillet's head size has to do with anything. Unless there are pictures with Andre and Maurice together, or at the very least pictures of the them with the same people, it doesn't matter. Someone explain to me why this is an ongoing part of of this conversation.


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Well, one thing it could do is establish who seems to have the more accurate comparison shots. It's safe to say that if someones evidence came in more accurately on one (Tillet), it's probable that the accuracy on the other (Andre) is closer to reality as well.

One side of the coin has been charged with deflating numbers to support their claim, the other side has been charged with inflating numbers. Boss came up with pretty specific numbers that appear to be much closer to the ones supported by the person who actually holds the evidence. I think that speaks volumes as to the gravity of that specific individuals opinions and the evidence used to support them.

The only way to argue it now is to say that the deathmask of Tillet is wrong, but if true, prove it. As it stands now that is an affirmation that Boss has the ability to accurately compare and contrast without question and his opinion deserves a degree of inherent credence.
Steve says on 23/May/14
RP, your estimates are the most accurate I have heard on here in years. Most sources on the internet point to Andres real height to be 6'11. Andre only looked about 5 inches taller than Hogan at WM3 in 1987. That would have made Andre 6'10.5 assuming hogan was at his peak height of 6'5.5. Andre just doesn't look 7'0 in the photos with Wilt. I know some on here want Andre at that magical 7' mark so you can't say he was under 7'. also the weight estimates you gave for Andre seem very realistic. I am sure Andres weight was exaggerated like his height. I don't know whats happened to everyone on here, going off topic so often with measuring other wrestlers heads etc. The best photos to prove Andres real height is still his photos with Wilt Chamberlain, not with other wrestlers and people who are a foot shorter than him.
Stonecold Fan says on 21/May/14
RP says on 18/May/14
Andre The Giant was 6'11" barefoot....And was even measured as low as 6'10.5" to 6'10.75" barefoot by WWF physicians after his 1986 back surgery. And in his Wrestling boots was about 7'0.25" to 7'0.5" & was 7'1" in his cowboy boots. This is what my friend Brian Duncan who has been a Nutritionist & personal trainer for the WWE now for about 5 to 6 years & one of his boss has been working for the WWF/WWE for over 30 years. And he told him this. He also said Hulk Hogan in his physical prime was 6'5.5" without footwear and 290-305 lbs. also, Andre never wrestled over 500 lbs. he was mostly 440-470 during the 80's. And closer to 420-430 during the early 80's. He said the actually heaviest "true" weight they had on record for Andre was 487 lbs in 1989. The wrestlers had to get monthly physicals when under contract unless they were wrestling abroad. Andre's true weigh in at Wrestlemania III was 485 lbs....not 520! He said Hogan was about 290 @ Wrestlemania III. The 294 lbs that was put on The Programs Tale Of The Tape was a true weight for Hogan. But, it was taken like 2 months before, when the program actually stating being edited & printed. He said Big John Studd was actually 6' 6.75" to 6'7" barefoot (a hair over 6'8" in wrestling boots) and 325-345 lbs....not 6'10" & 360-370. Brian also said Paul Wight barefoot is 6'11.75" (7'1" in wrestling boots) & his weight is all over the map. He fluctuates any where from 415-450. He also said that Daniel Bryant is only 190 lbs.

Are you saying Big Shows wrestling boots are thinner than what Andres were? Lol
Q says on 20/May/14
Andre at his peak was 208cm, which is 6'10".
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Ali Baba says on 19/May/14
I'm still confused about what Maurice Tillet's head size has to do with anything. Unless there are pictures with Andre and Maurice together, or at the very least pictures of the them with the same people, it doesn't matter. Someone explain to me why this is an ongoing part of of this conversation.
Chaz says on 19/May/14
let's get out of the fantasy land,we know from the Japaness Magazine that Andre's Hands were under 10''Click Here so useing this I make he's face 11.5'' so again you can forget any 13-14'' face,
Kunoichi says on 19/May/14
As far as I know,according to Lou Thesz's biography ,Andre's height was 6'11''lower than 5 inches his billed up height.
RP says on 18/May/14
Andre The Giant was 6'11" barefoot....And was even measured as low as 6'10.5" to 6'10.75" barefoot by WWF physicians after his 1986 back surgery. And in his Wrestling boots was about 7'0.25" to 7'0.5" & was 7'1" in his cowboy boots. This is what my friend Brian Duncan who has been a Nutritionist & personal trainer for the WWE now for about 5 to 6 years & one of his boss has been working for the WWF/WWE for over 30 years. And he told him this. He also said Hulk Hogan in his physical prime was 6'5.5" without footwear and 290-305 lbs. also, Andre never wrestled over 500 lbs. he was mostly 440-470 during the 80's. And closer to 420-430 during the early 80's. He said the actually heaviest "true" weight they had on record for Andre was 487 lbs in 1989. The wrestlers had to get monthly physicals when under contract unless they were wrestling abroad. Andre's true weigh in at Wrestlemania III was 485 lbs....not 520! He said Hogan was about 290 @ Wrestlemania III. The 294 lbs that was put on The Programs Tale Of The Tape was a true weight for Hogan. But, it was taken like 2 months before, when the program actually stating being edited & printed. He said Big John Studd was actually 6' 6.75" to 6'7" barefoot (a hair over 6'8" in wrestling boots) and 325-345 lbs....not 6'10" & 360-370. Brian also said Paul Wight barefoot is 6'11.75" (7'1" in wrestling boots) & his weight is all over the map. He fluctuates any where from 415-450. He also said that Daniel Bryant is only 190 lbs.
Chaz says on 17/May/14
Capt,Nobody,it's simple,the 11.5-12'' face that was what most on here were saying for years,was right all the rest the 10.5-16'' face clames are rubish,they only started saying he's had a 13''+ face when it was clear 5'11.5'' men like Bret Hart,were comeing too far up he's face,and real 6'5'' men like Wepner to far up he's eyes to be over 7',
Capt. Nobody says on 14/May/14
Chaz says on 12/May/14
Capt.Nobody I said he's Forhead was longer tham he's nose and chin,they are about 2.75-3'',the forhead is no more than 3.5'' 3 times that is 10.5'' so what I said about it not being over 12'' is right and so is the 6''mark being about 1cm or so from the tip of the nose.we cannot be 100% about the top of the head because he had hair,so add 1/2 '

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Unless his forehead is closer to 4, then it would fit in with agreed upon 12 inch head theory, right? So, Andre has a 10.5 inch head now?

Also the shot used was a little generous on forehead size, so his head is most likely a little bigger than 3 foreheads. I did it that way so there is some leeway there, his forehead even in that shot is probably under 4 inches if he has a 12 inch head.

Something seems wrong here, lets guess what it is. We've had someone come on with the actual death mask measurements of Tillet and it's still deniable? Now Andre has a 10.5 inch head? OK, lets start this party all over because now it just seems like sides are cementing even further as to whose information can be trusted and whose constantly shifts in order to solidify their point.
Chaz says on 12/May/14
Capt.Nobody I said he's Forhead was longer tham he's nose and chin,they are about 2.75-3'',the forhead is no more than 3.5'' 3 times that is 10.5'' so what I said about it not being over 12'' is right and so is the 6''mark being about 1cm or so from the tip of the nose.we cannot be 100% about the top of the head because he had hair,so add 1/2 ''
Capt. Nobody says on 11/May/14
Chaz says on 9/May/14
I am 179cm,my face is 9.25'' my forhead is 3.5'' which is by far the biggist part of my face,nose 2''chin 1.5'' so unless Andre has a 4'' nose and chin lol you can forget anything over 12'' for Andre's face,you have to remmber on something that only avarage 9-9'5'' an extra 1-2'' is masive,

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Andre's nose is shorter than his forehead in the shot I used.

Andre's forehead is at least 3.5 inches right? I just did a rough shot of Andre's forehead in relation to the rest of his head and it came out to probably a bit over 3 lengths. So.... what are you saying again?
Chaz says on 9/May/14
I am 179cm,my face is 9.25'' my forhead is 3.5'' which is by far the biggist part of my face,nose 2''chin 1.5'' so unless Andre has a 4'' nose and chin lol you can forget anything over 12'' for Andre's face,you have to remmber on something that only avarage 9-9'5'' an extra 1-2'' is masive,
Capt. Nobody says on 9/May/14
JT says on 7/May/14
Click Here Tommy Seigler is an average sized guy (~5’10”) unless Andre’s standing in a hole. Andre’s head looks at most 20 percent longer. seigler's head is roughly the same length as Andre's from the eyes up.

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And how long do you think seiglers head is?

If the average head size is say 8.5-9 inches or so that means Andre's head was 10.5 to 11 inches then?

How long is Tillets head again according to your math?
Capt. Nobody says on 9/May/14
Chaz says on 7/May/14
Cap.Nobody look at the nose on that photo you posted? from the bridge to the nostrals it's the same as the chin to the bottom lip,and not much smaller than the forhead,and there are some saying he' had a 4'5-5'' forhead he must of had a 4'' nose and chin in that case,add the eyes and nose to the top lip,you get a 14.5-15'' face lol.

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Picture speaks for itself, if his forehead is 3.5-4 inches that means his head is probably in the 12-13 inch range. Someone can make a quadrant shot if they'd like, hehe. Rough shot says his head size is roughly 3 foreheads.
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 8/May/14
iconjj, thank you for checking in with Jim about the color of the Maurice Tillet bust he handled. I contacted Mrs. Boesch directly and she said that the bust of Maurice they had was bronze in color. She said they sold it before Paul passed. She thinks it may have gone to Vince McMahon. As it was bronze in color, that would make it one of the copies of the Louis Linck sculptures and not a death mask. The death masks belonged to Milo Steinborn(one), and the other two to Patrick Leonard, and are pink in color. Mine is a death mask and is natural plaster white, but technically not a finished product. It was made from the original mold from Maurice, and then molded itself later, in place of Maurice, him already being dead in 1958. There is a date of 1958 on the back of all of them, it is presumed the artist kept the mold around of Maurice for 4 years after his death. Molding the first bust, mine, allowed the artist to made duplicate copies. They have all been inspected and are identical, with the only color difference being on mine. There is some evidence still on it showing it was molded, and the mold pulled away, as there is knicks on it at the point where the mold was dissected and the two halves of the mold were pulled away from it. Suprisingly after all these years it still has the wax over the top of the finish, put there, to allow the mold not to stick to it. Trying to live up to my name here, OBSESSED. Iconjj, thank you for checking in with Jim and please give Jim my best for letting me know what he remembers.
Warhorse says on 8/May/14
I met hulk i ask hogen that i want to mark his hight on the wall i put a dvd box on his head and put the box straight on da wall i got the real hight of i balence his head and marked it on da wall . Sm days back i remebered the mark on da wall i checked on internets ppl says he is 6 feet 4 or 8 inches . I remember he was barefoot dat day
I measured accurately he is 191.3 cm . He is not that big as u think . i ask him abt his height befor the measurement he said 6feet 5 after measurin i asked r u sure den he said he is lik 6feet 4 lol sorre i dnt hv any proof bt i know what i saw
Warhorse says on 8/May/14
I met hulk i ask hogen that i want to mark his hight on the wall i put a dvd box on his head and put the box straight on da wall i got the real hight of i balence his head and marked it on da wall . Sm days back i remebered the mark on da wall i checked on internets ppl says he is 6 feet 4 or 8 inches . I remember he was barefoot dat day
I measured accurately he is 191.3 cm . He is not that big as u think . i ask him abt his height befor the measurement he said 6feet 5 after measurin i asked r u sure den he said he is lik 6feet 4 lol sorre i dnt hv any proof bt i know what i saw
Warhorse says on 8/May/14
I met hulk i ask hogen that i want to mark his hight on the wall i put a dvd box on his head and put the box straight on da wall i got the real hight of i balence his head and marked it on da wall . Sm days back i remebered the mark on da wall i checked on internets ppl says he is 6 feet 4 or 8 inches . I remember he was barefoot dat day
I measured accurately he is 191.3 cm . He is not that big as u think . i ask him abt his height befor the measurement he said 6feet 5 after measurin i asked r u sure den he said he is lik 6feet 4 lol sorre i dnt hv any proof bt i know what i saw
JT says on 7/May/14
Click Here Tommy Seigler is an average sized guy (~5’10”) unless Andre’s standing in a hole. Andre’s head looks at most 20 percent longer. seigler's head is roughly the same length as Andre's from the eyes up.
Chaz says on 7/May/14
Cap.Nobody look at the nose on that photo you posted? from the bridge to the nostrals it's the same as the chin to the bottom lip,and not much smaller than the forhead,and there are some saying he' had a 4'5-5'' forhead he must of had a 4'' nose and chin in that case,add the eyes and nose to the top lip,you get a 14.5-15'' face lol.
Capt. Nobody says on 6/May/14
Capt. Nobody says on 30/Apr/14
Chaz says on 26/Apr/14
e says on 26/Apr/14
That snake pit interview with Andre reiterates again that Andre is easily 6" taller than Hogan and a bit more than that over Jake, with relaxed posture. Before we get into footwear, Jake also loved the cowboy boot look as well so he may have even had boots on in that video. The only way Andre is 4-5" taller than 6'5" people is if his head is normal size of 9" and we all know that it isn't

me Andre's,forhead was of normal size it was too small for he's face,he was like most Acromegalics all chin and jaw,it grows because it's connected by cartlage,so the soft tissue of the gums grows that's why they have big gaps in the teeth,

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OK, I did this on the quick but illustrates the same basic principle. 1 cm above the tip if his nose? And even if so we've see pictures of Andre with his head down next to a 6'5" individual and that individual came up to about an inch under Andre's eyes.

Somebody make a quadrant map of Andre's head please. If it's 12 inches we can see what's what. I'm not going to tackle that one, haha. Then the argument of big Andre's head can begin all over again.

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And I totally didn't post the link I was going to. Sorry, haha.

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Capt. Nobody says on 6/May/14
Dun, dun, dun. And the plot thickens.

If Tillets head was really 14 inches what does that mean for Andre?
iconjj says on 5/May/14
Maurice, I asked J.R your question just to be sure


iconjj Asks: Jim, a gentleman had posted this question for you on another board, maybe you could help me help him, thanks in advance. Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 30/Apr/14 JR, this question is for you. I am following up on something said below. That at one time you saw a death mask of Maurice Tillet at the office of Paul Boesch. May I ask if it was bronze in color, white, or pink? I research Maurice almost exclusively and to my understanding there was only three of these death masks. One started out with Milo Steinborn, and the other two landed with Patrick Leonard, aka Patrick Kelly. I would appreciate the information if you recall the color of the bust you saw of Maurice.
J.R.'s Answer:

It was white or a light gray as best that I recall.
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 1/May/14
Because I am obsessed, I did want to let everyone know what I found out about the Maurice Tillet bust that JR handled was not a death mask. I spoke to the Boesch family and found out that the bust was bronze in color. All the busts that are bronze in color were made by Louis Linck, a friend of Maurice. These were not molds of Maurice, but actual, life sized sculptures of Maurice's head. You can see one here - "Click Here" You can see it in the surgical museum section of this page. I mention it in my blog to distinguish the difference between the death masks and these sculpted busts. As it is an approximate size of Maurice, and a sculpt, it may not be perfectly accurate to his head size. AND as an FYI, I have to say how incredibly nice the Boesch family is. So very nice to talk to. I will stop talking about the ANGEL, unless additional information is requested, however to back up the 13.5 inch face measurement of Maurice, I just so happened to find a period article that also verifies this measurement. Oakland Tribune February 25, 1940 - COHN-ING TOWER. By Art Cohn - Sports Editor. .....and his face 14 inches length, is the longest in history, excepting only Stub Allisons after the 1939 Trojan game.... NO IDEA the reference. But to give JT a little credit, it sure looks like his head did not grow between 1940 and 1954. So the bust JR handled was an artists sculp of Maurice and would be an approximation, but Maurice's face was around 13.5 inches in length, as confirmed by the article and on the bust itself. I will try to fade back into the background and I wish you all very well. Your level of obsession and attention to detail very much speaks to me. SIGNED, Obsessed aka TOM
Chaz says on 1/May/14
Capt.Nobody.it' quite easy take any photo on screen Of Andre's face,bigger the better,then use a tape measure,and work out were 50% of the face is,I make it just about 1cm up from the tip of he's nose,

and dicksock,seems you gain 1' for every 12'' you are nera the camara,and you are right being side on in photos is a old circus trick read PT Barnum,he knew it 100 years ago.
dicksock says on 30/Apr/14
me says on 29/Apr/14
Looks like Goodridge sizes up next to Khali the way Backlund did next to Andre.

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Come on me, we all know that in the Backlund picture, Andre was on his tippy toes in 3" thick cowboy boots and he was about 5-10' nera to the camera. Plus, Backlund was no more than 5'11" at his peak. It's the same old circus trick that was used in the Wilt pictures. Andre was 6'9.5"-6'10" in his prime if he was lucky. All this 7' talk is pure rubbish.
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 30/Apr/14
JR, this question is for you. I am following up on something said below. That at one time you saw a death mask of Maurice Tillet at the office of Paul Boesch. May I ask if it was bronze in color, white, or pink? I research Maurice almost exclusively and to my understanding there was only three of these death masks. One started out with Milo Steinborn, and the other two landed with Patrick Leonard, aka Patrick Kelly. I would appreciate the information if you recall the color of the bust you saw of Maurice.
Capt. Nobody says on 30/Apr/14
Chaz says on 26/Apr/14
e says on 26/Apr/14
That snake pit interview with Andre reiterates again that Andre is easily 6" taller than Hogan and a bit more than that over Jake, with relaxed posture. Before we get into footwear, Jake also loved the cowboy boot look as well so he may have even had boots on in that video. The only way Andre is 4-5" taller than 6'5" people is if his head is normal size of 9" and we all know that it isn't

me Andre's,forhead was of normal size it was too small for he's face,he was like most Acromegalics all chin and jaw,it grows because it's connected by cartlage,so the soft tissue of the gums grows that's why they have big gaps in the teeth,

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OK, I did this on the quick but illustrates the same basic principle. 1 cm above the tip if his nose? And even if so we've see pictures of Andre with his head down next to a 6'5" individual and that individual came up to about an inch under Andre's eyes.

Somebody make a quadrant map of Andre's head please. If it's 12 inches we can see what's what. I'm not going to tackle that one, haha. Then the argument of big Andre's head can begin all over again.
me says on 29/Apr/14
Looks like Goodridge sizes up next to Khali the way Backlund did next to Andre.
Chaz says on 28/Apr/14
The thing to notice about that Haystacks photo,is how much the front of the door is gaining from the back by being nera the camara,look at the blue architrave? that is 2.5'' the door is 2'6''wide so it's gaining 1'' for every 12'' nera the camara,just like I have been saying about the Wilt photos.
Chaz says on 28/Apr/14
Ross says on 26/Apr/14
Chaz, how tall do you think Cleve Dean was? The articles I found a while back when I was reading about him gave various heights all the way from 6'3 to 6'8.

it was very hard to work out he's height,because he has a funny walk,and a bad back that makes he's backside stick out and he seem to walk sideways,and not stand upright, he seemed taller than everone but not by much, I see him in the late 1980s when they were filming Over the top,he was with Clive Myers,but he's not that tall,he's hands and forarms were masive,must be over 9'' and they were think as well,I would say he' was at least 6'5'' but could have been taller as a yng man befor the back problems,he was big all over,like a block,
Chaz says on 28/Apr/14
Click Here not seen this befor,but I am 5'10.5'' and the other guy comes up the door were I do in boots,on my 6'6'' liveing room door,
JT says on 27/Apr/14
Ross says on 26/Apr/14
Chaz, how tall do you think Cleve Dean was? The articles I found a while back when I was reading about him gave various heights all the way from 6'3 to 6'8.

For what it’s worth, here’s Dean with Gary Goodridge, who's probably 6'1" range as he was around 3 inches shorter than Bob Sapp Click Here

Goodridge with Great Khali and Giant Silva.
Click Here We can probably rule out 6'8", 6'7", and 6'6" for Dean.
Ross says on 26/Apr/14
Chaz, how tall do you think Cleve Dean was? The articles I found a while back when I was reading about him gave various heights all the way from 6'3 to 6'8.
Chaz says on 26/Apr/14
e says on 26/Apr/14
That snake pit interview with Andre reiterates again that Andre is easily 6" taller than Hogan and a bit more than that over Jake, with relaxed posture. Before we get into footwear, Jake also loved the cowboy boot look as well so he may have even had boots on in that video. The only way Andre is 4-5" taller than 6'5" people is if his head is normal size of 9" and we all know that it isn't

me Andre's,forhead was of normal size it was too small for he's face,he was like most Acromegalics all chin and jaw,it grows because it's connected by cartlage,so the soft tissue of the gums grows that's why they have big gaps in the teeth,
me says on 26/Apr/14
That snake pit interview with Andre reiterates again that Andre is easily 6" taller than Hogan and a bit more than that over Jake, with relaxed posture. Before we get into footwear, Jake also loved the cowboy boot look as well so he may have even had boots on in that video. The only way Andre is 4-5" taller than 6'5" people is if his head is normal size of 9" and we all know that it isn't.
Chaz says on 26/Apr/14
Capt.Nobody,I have said meny times he's forhead was about 3.5'' and the 6'' mark is 1cm up from the tip of he's nose,and Jake was about 6'4''-6'4.5''and you cannot see Andre's feet,Lawman should be under he's nose .
Capt. Nobody says on 25/Apr/14
Chaz says on 24/Apr/14
Capt.Nobody,we know the math,Andre is allways 4-5''taller than any one about 6'5'' tall.
and what me was talking about only happens when you see someone in person,they can look taller or shorter,it's hard to work out,not in photos, I remmber the time I met Chris Greener my God the shock of seeing someone so tall,if I did not know he was 7'6'' I would have said he was 9' tall, same when I see Giant Haystacks,trying to get throgh a 6'6'' doorway haveing to turn side ways to go out of it,I have never seen anybody that wide in my life,and I have met allmost every powerlifter and strongman you can think of,From Cleave Dean 465lbs to OD Wilson,410lbs with the biggist legs of any strongman,40''and a 65'' chest,you would not even see them if Haystacks was in front of them,
But time and time again Andre looks no more that 6'10'' in photos next to people of known height,

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Always? OK, take a gander at that Snake pit interview NCL posted. How tall is Jake the Snake? How long his Andre's forehead? What would be an inch or so under Andre's eyes again?
Chaz says on 24/Apr/14
Capt.Nobody,we know the math,Andre is allways 4-5''taller than any one about 6'5'' tall.
and what me was talking about only happens when you see someone in person,they can look taller or shorter,it's hard to work out,not in photos, I remmber the time I met Chris Greener my God the shock of seeing someone so tall,if I did not know he was 7'6'' I would have said he was 9' tall, same when I see Giant Haystacks,trying to get throgh a 6'6'' doorway haveing to turn side ways to go out of it,I have never seen anybody that wide in my life,and I have met allmost every powerlifter and strongman you can think of,From Cleave Dean 465lbs to OD Wilson,410lbs with the biggist legs of any strongman,40''and a 65'' chest,you would not even see them if Haystacks was in front of them,
But time and time again Andre looks no more that 6'10'' in photos next to people of known height,
NCL says on 24/Apr/14
Andre the Giant and Jake the Snake (can't see footwear tho and not sure if there's any camera angle advantages)

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Jake the Snake and Hogan both at peak (again, can't see footwear)

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Capt. Nobody says on 23/Apr/14
me says on 20/Apr/14
Had this scenario happen at work the other day where 2 people both claimed to be 6' tall. However one is 250lbs and the other is 175lbs. Most thought the thinner guy was taller by the way they "looked". When the two stood back to back they were the same height. The point is we can't go by walking around height or what people look like. We need to look at the top of their head for their height, not where the shoulder is or eyeline, just where their height ends, which unless you live in the bizzaro world it is still the top of the head.

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Exactly. It's funny what's gone down since actual math has become involved. Too late to go back on the agreed upon math now.
NCL says on 23/Apr/14
Andre the Giant and Ultimate Warrior staredown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUevEWSfjrQ

You can see Andre's boots right at the beginning of the video and you can see Ultimate Warrior's boots when he enters at about the 2 min mark.

The staredown starts at 2:29

What do you guys think?
Chaz says on 23/Apr/14
it's clear as Day,Andre next to yet another,6'5'' guy he's at best 6'10''unless Slatton was 6'8'' you can forget this 7+ rubish,and one things for sure Kiel was every bit the 7'1.5'' he said he was. and Palmer was at least 7'5''
JT says on 23/Apr/14
In fairness to Andre, the pic of him and Slatton wasn't very good and actually appeared in a 2003 photo taken of Slatton Click Here However, even factoring in the big camera tilt favoring Andre but the camera man on Slatton's side in that 2003 photo, it's still pretty clear that Slatton would come up to around Andre's eye level a la Hogan, Chris Taylor, Mulligan, etc. Of course Palmer's standing behind Slatton. Since according to some here, Andre would magically gain huge inches if he took a small step forward in the pic with shoemaker, the same should apply to Palmer with Slatton, right??
Vegas says on 23/Apr/14
Someone should facebook message Mamun that shot of Andre and Palmer next to ~6'5 Lawman seeing as he still thinks there is a conspiracy on here over Andre... Click Here
JT says on 23/Apr/14
Great find there, Roel – it was just a matter of time before that video showed up. IIRC Kiel said in an interview that Engesser, a friend, was a little taller than him.

Jerry Lewis is around the height of Bruno Sammartino. Lewis and 7'2" Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Click Here

Andre and Max Palmer next to probably a 6’8” door. Click Here

Andre and Palmer standing next to Don Slatton Click Here
RoelC says on 21/Apr/14
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Here's a video segment of Max Palmer on the Colgate Comedy Hour with Jerry Lewis & Dean Martin. The segment starts at 8:33

Max Palmer looks huge there. We've seen Jerry Lewis standing next to the likes of Andre the Giant, Richard Kiel and William Engesser. Needless to say Max Palmer looks much taller than any of those guys.

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Jerry Lewis with William Engesser, who was listed 7'3" in college basketball.
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It's debateable if Engesser is taller than Kiel. It's difficult to make a decent comparison between the two. Seeing how they both measured up to Jerry Lewis, my guess is Engesser is slightly taller than Kiel.
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Andre with Jerry Lewis
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Here's a shot of Max Palmer ducking underneath the doorway of The Blue Palm Cafe on Hollywood Blvd.. According to the current owner of the Blue Palm Cafe (known today as The Blue Palm Brewhouse) that doorway is still the same today as it was in the 50's and it's apparently 7ft tall.
Chaz says on 21/Apr/14
Kunoichi says on 19/Apr/14
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Karl Gotch's height was 6'0.5'',Gotch Although staying in front a little.

Andre is clearly no 7' there unless they are both over 6'4'' he's lucky if he's 6'10'',and no way much over 320lbs,all this talk of Andre being 7'1''+ as a yng man, then loseing 3-4'' is rubish.
me says on 20/Apr/14
Had this scenario happen at work the other day where 2 people both claimed to be 6' tall. However one is 250lbs and the other is 175lbs. Most thought the thinner guy was taller by the way they "looked". When the two stood back to back they were the same height. The point is we can't go by walking around height or what people look like. We need to look at the top of their head for their height, not where the shoulder is or eyeline, just where their height ends, which unless you live in the bizzaro world it is still the top of the head.
miko says on 20/Apr/14
I cant buy Andre ever being 7'0, he looked too short too many times.

The only time he ever looked it was when he had a huge afro and big cowboys.

Compare him to somebody like Big Show, Khali, Shaq, a legit 7'0, who regularly pass for 7'0 and don't need big boots to look tall.
Kunoichi says on 19/Apr/14
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Karl Gotch's height was 6'0.5'',Gotch Although staying in front a little.
dicksock says on 19/Apr/14
Aaronious says on 18/Apr/14
JT,

even if Tillet's head is only 15-25% larger than the other guys, how does this make his head NOT 13.5" ? you aren't making any sense?

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I haven't had to do algebra for many years now, but I think you are the one not making any sense here.

The average adult male head is about 9" long. Ten percent of 9 is .9 and twenty percent would be 1.8. If Tillet's head was twenty percent longer than the average adult male head, that would have made his head about 11" (10.8") long max. Personally, I don't care at all how big his head was. I don't see why anyone would.

As for Andre's peak height, I'm sticking with 7'0.25" (214cm) out of bed and about 6'11.25" by night.
Aaronious says on 18/Apr/14
JT,

even if Tillet's head is only 15-25% larger than the other guys, how does this make his head NOT 13.5" ? you aren't making any sense? the guy in the photo is a probbaly a solid 6'4" + if Tillet was genuine in the 5'8"-5'9" range, so that doesn't at all discount Tillet's head being the 13.5" measurement of his deathmask.

you are ALWAYS trying to downgrade EVERYONE bro, stop being such a hater!
Aaronious says on 18/Apr/14
Keils' bust statue isn't that long, its around 19" tall, not 23"
ReturnofG says on 15/Apr/14
Does anyone have any estimates on how tall Erik Rowan is? I am figuring around 6'6.5-6'7, but maybe I am wrong, but he looked close to Kane's height.
dicksock says on 14/Apr/14
Vegas says on 14/Apr/14
Met bob backlund in person earlier this week. shorter than julian glover (whom rob has a shot with) and seemed shorter than christian too, definitely not 6ft anyway.

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I met him as well. At night, I am a solid 5'9" and he definitely looked about 6' to me.
Vegas says on 14/Apr/14
Met bob backlund in person earlier this week. shorter than julian glover (whom rob has a shot with) and seemed shorter than christian too, definitely not 6ft anyway.
iconjj says on 11/Apr/14
This French Angel stuff is fascinating, but i think we are getting off topic, and getting nowhere to boot. If Obsessed says it was 13.5, then it's 13.5, it's a freaking deathmask for crying out loud.
Unless Andre had a deathmask made we are not getting anywhere...with all due respect.
Maurice Tillet Obsessed. says on 10/Apr/14
JT, I follow your logic, but I am not sure I can go along with your conclusions. The measurements I am taking are off of what is called a "Life Casting". Wikipedia has a decent page on it: Click Here You seem to be saying that life-castings can be MUCH larger than the actual part that was molded, and then cast. I don't know how that could be possible without intentional alteration or faking. I cannot understand how a mold can be made of a persons head. That mold be removed from the person head in two halves. Those two halves be put back together, filled with plaster. Then the mold peeled away to reveal, what is supposed to be a PERFECT recreation of the individuals head. Life castings will catch details all the way down to scars, and pores and yet you seem to be saying the cast of the mans head can get MUCH larger than the original subject. I don't understand how this would be possible without being intentionally altered. I completely understand what your saying with the information we have of Maurice in 1940, however the life-cast is supposed to be a perfectly accurate reflection of a body part. When you say it would be Absurdly Large, even for him, I cannot get on board with that as everyone focused on the size of Maurice's head. All the old articles constantly mention it. If your discounting the accuracy of a life casting, then I understand, and we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.
JT says on 10/Apr/14
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 8/Apr/14
....I am also not clear on how you came up with Maurice's base of jaw to top of the head at 11.5 inches in 1940....

Click Here 7.05 inches from the base of the chin (not the double chin) to the root of the nose. This is the definition of the root of the nose Click Here That picture is Tillet in 1941, or only a year after his head was measured.

From your comparison pic with the “life mask” Click Here Tillet’s head is absurdly large even for him. His neck would probably have to be 25-30 inches and his ears over 4 inches long. If Tillet were 6’8”, not 5’8”, I could buy a 13 + inch long head for him. The fact that he was relatively short made his huge head look even larger.

Richard Kiel had a “life mask” made in 1980. The bust is 23 inches tall, meaning that Kiel’s head comes out almost 16 inches long, when it's probably more 11 inch range Click Here
Maurice Tillet Obsessed says on 8/Apr/14
JT, I was on my way out when I read your post so after re-reading it, I do get your point. Your talking about the expectation that with abnormal bone growth we should see more jutting of the jawline or brow. I think we are on a bit of a slippery slope of assumptions. I was actually quite shocked when I found the picture of Maurice when he was around 13 and you can still see the child in the oversized man with Acromegaly. I would actually say it did, suprisingly hit him in rather equal proportion. I get your point, but I would have to say that there are allot of unknowns. Did the bones continue to grow equally, and grow between 1940-1954? I am also not clear on how you came up with Maurice's base of jaw to top of the head at 11.5 inches in 1940. Just went through all the details and the measurements Harvard did at that time only seem to cover parts of the face and not the measurements we have been discussing here. As promised I am going to give you a reasonable comparison using my own, fairly normal sized head up against Maurice's. Posted here : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=282225135279131&set=a.108920412609605.19620.100004749402138&type=1&theater Measurements were - Around the head from brow to back of the head, full circumference. Maurice 32.5inches, Tom 23inches. Under the Jaw to top of the head, full circumference. Maurice 38inches. Tom 25.5 inches. The line from the jaw to the back of the head at the widest point on the skull, Maurice 40.5 inches, Tom 26 inches. All assuming I'm relatively normal. Whatever that is! TOM

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