General Height

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5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 28/Aug/16
@172.4cm guy,

I think that math puts the numbers in the right place, regardless of the influence of emotions.

Thanks for your compliment.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 28/Aug/16
Rob Is it possible not too lose any height until your late 60's early 70's the average age for height loss is between mid 50's and late 50's, If people started too lose height in their late 60's early 70's would they be considered late bloomers in terms of height loss do you think you will still be a strong 5ft 8in in your late 60's early 70's you would be a late bloomer if started lose height in your late 60's early 70's.
Editor Rob: if you reach age 60 with no noticeable (but small like 2-4mm) then you have done pretty well.

Reach 70 with half inch lost and you have done great.

There are some who can reach 60 without much loss, but most of us will lose something. There are common sense ideas for reducing the losses, starting with exercise, improved diet with enough minerals/vitamins for bone health...plus keeping the brain active.
6'0.25" said on 28/Aug/16
I saw a legit 6'6"-6'6.5" range guy at Costco today and he looked freakishly tall. I don't know why anybody would want to be taller than 6'4".
Canson said on 28/Aug/16
@Powerhouse: 6'6 is extremely tall and 6'7 isn't giant That's extremely tall. Once maybe 6'8 or 6'9 that's giant
Canson said on 28/Aug/16
@Thomas6ft1: that's a great height in my book esp if it's a low for the day. You're still taller than most and you can still blend in in some cases. No drawbacks. It is a tall height truthfully
Canson said on 28/Aug/16
@Christian: I agree with everything you just said. I'd be happy at 6'4-6'6, hell even 6'7 over being 5'2. Referencing something John said below where he banged his head (which is an indicator that it's not all gravy like ppl believe), I've seen once where a friend (very similar in height to you, he's like 6'5 3/8 at his lowest or 1/4) and I were out at a bar and a shorter guy (who was built pretty solid whereas he has a good build but not muscular for a 6'5 guy) "man i wish I had your height, I'd bulk up and I'd be imposing. My friend replied that he doesn't care about all of that. That's however one of the misconception of guys this size. It isn't that easy TBH. A guy who is 5'5 or 5'6 has it much easier with shorter limbs etc building loads of muscle than a guy who is 6'4-6'6. Shorter guys like that one (he has a complex as I know him) think it's cake to be 6'5 like him and be a Ralph moeller etc. but when someone is our size and can transform their body like that it is quite impressive and a work of art
Canson said on 28/Aug/16
@Christian: I agree with everything you just said. I'd be happy at 6'4-6'6, hell even 6'7 over being 5'2. Referencing something John said below where he banged his head (which is an indicator that it's not all gravy like ppl believe), I've seen once where a friend (very similar in height to you, he's like 6'5 3/8 at his lowest or 1/4) and I were out at a bar and a shorter guy (who was built pretty solid whereas he has a good build but not muscular for a 6'5 guy) "man i wish I had your height, I'd bulk up and I'd be imposing. My friend replied that he doesn't care about all of that. That's however one of the misconception of guys this size. It isn't that easy TBH. A guy who is 5'5 or 5'6 has it much easier with shorter limbs etc building loads of muscle than a guy who is 6'4-6'6. Shorter guys like that one (he has a complex as I know him) think it's cake to be 6'5 like him and be a Ralph moeller etc. but when someone is our size and can transform their body like that it is quite impressive and a work of art
HonestSlovene said on 28/Aug/16
@James Thanks James for your input, I agree (ex-user truth here).
Borats Chicken said on 28/Aug/16
Rob, I don't know if your familiar with AFL (aussie rule) But would you mind looking at this player Nick Riewoldt very small head and he is listed as 6'4. but looks taller then that.
Powerhouse said on 27/Aug/16
@HonestSlovene... In reality a couple of inches will take someone to a different level of how the are perceived by others in some cases. Like a 5'8 guy would be considered quite short in areas with a 90%+ white population but at 5'10 they are seen as average. Perhaps me saying 5'8 is very short wasn't the best terminology but it does give a short impression and up here in the Eastern U.S, and is definetly short and not just an under average height that some claim it to be. But In somewhere like California in a heavily Hispanic area that 5'8 guy would be upper average height. I rarely see guys 5'7 range here, 5'6 and under is very rare. And I'm sorry but 5'6 in a 5'9.5 average height country is in under the 15th percentile and in a 5'10.5 average area like a lot of the north and eastern U.S states a 5'6 guy is in the 8th percentile. I'm sorry but that is a very short guy by definition.


5'4 and under = midget
5'5-5'6 = very short
5'7-5'8 = short (around certain crowds can feel very short)
5'9-5'10 = average (5'9 flat is below average height for white males in the U.S so you can call that weak average and 5'10 average)
5'11-6'0 = upper average
6'1-6'3= tall
6'4-6'5= very tall
6'6- super tall
6'7+= giant
Thomas6ft1 said on 27/Aug/16
@Canson
How would you view a legit 6'1" (185 cm) height? Good?
Roy said on 27/Aug/16
I am 5'10 range morning and 5'9 range end of day, and I've never been called short or had my height questioned in the morning. However end of day I have been called short occasionally. I have even been told I'm tallish in the morning. It's crazy that the slight difference between 5'9 and 5'10 can be perceived so differently! Anyone else my height feel this? Also I'm in the US. I'm 5'10.25 out of bed and lowest 5'9 1/8.
James said on 27/Aug/16
According to statistics, the average height of all American males 20 - 24 is 176.2 cm. The average height of all Canadian males 25-44 is 176.0 cm. Based on my experience traveling in several states in the US and Canada, I would indeed confirm that these statistics are correct for US/Canada as a whole. However, there are regional differences in average height mainly based on ethnicity. Average could range from 171.0 cm to 181.0 cm based on state/region. White Americans/Canadians average at 177 - 178 cm slightly higher than the national average.

We could say that in North America ( Canada and U.S ) the average height of young men is 176 cm.
This figure is still slightly lower than Europes average of 177.6 cm. That makes Europe the tallest continent ( 1st ) followed closely by North America ( 2nd )
However, these figures could still be adjusted since most measurements were taken during midday . That means the night measurement would be slightly lower maybe 1 cm.
It stills baffles me to this day when I see 5'10 men and above complaining about feeling short when actual statistics say otherwise. A man who never drops below 178.0 cm at night after a long day, in other words a solid 5'10-er should almost never feel short even in Europe. Even in taller European countries where average is 180 cm a solid 178 cm would blend in and feel average since he would be measured around 179-180 cm midday/morning.
I've to agree with @truth for his input of 180 cm being a solid average height in Europe. Nowadays, people are upgrading their heights making legit 178s and 180s seem short when in truth they're perfectly average.
Christian-196cm (6ft5.25) said on 27/Aug/16
Ice said on 25/Aug/16
@Canson you have a good height IMO , My dream height would be 198 cm out of bed and 196 cm during the afternoon. so youre close to what I would considere as ideal for me .

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That means I would be even closer to your dream height than Canson. (I wake up at 198.3 and go to bed at 196.2) But in all honesty, I believe that anywhere from 6ft4 to 6ft6 is the best height range for men if they want to tower over most men without looking too tall or awkward. At times I feel somewhat gigantic at 196cm, but I would much rather be giant than a 5ft2 dwarf (no offense to 5'2" guys out there)
Canson said on 27/Aug/16
@Ice: I agree I'm not at that level of 200cm/2M. But I'm not asking to be lol. I welcome anyone who is that height and would clearly acknowledge they are taller lol. But that is also a very dominant height like where John is. It's even more pronounced because (at least in the US), many 191-192 or 192-193 guys claim 6'5. So by deduction the true 6'5 guys are in most people's minds 6'6 or 6'7. So someone John's size would be 6'8 or even 6'9 in some people's minds just because he is that much taller than a 5'10 guy claiming 6'0! I have a 6'7 friend who is guessed 6'9 regularly. At least where he and John are is still a regular life in terms of health. I mean inconveniences as far as doorways like he mentioned, but heights like 6'9 are where health problems begin. I mean each person's desire is where they want But to be 6'2 like you are is a great height. You are tall but blend in. You'd be tall here in the states but still blend in. Me not so much. I don't understand the importance about being a giant or standing out in public. i guess if I had to choose I would be 6'7 over 5'7 but would take 5'11 flat over being above the 6'7" mark at the same time.
Canson said on 27/Aug/16
@Rob: 6'5 isn't extremely tall. Very tall I'd say. If say above 6'6 flat is extremely tall. 6'6 to about 6'8. Giant is anything above that. But to me having a 6'5 and change friend, a 6'6 friend and a 6'7 friend I can tell you just about anything above about 6'5-6'5.25 (at your lowest of course), is where the problems become enhanced. Once there, you can wear dress shoes but would cross 6'6 in them. I have a 6'6.5 light fixture in my house and some doorways are even 6'6 in older houses or at most 6'7 in some places. to me any height where you begin having to duck under doorways even in shoes is too much. I mean you are who you are and can't control it. but to me tall enough is like Rob Paul said, 6'3. That's not too tall but tall for most people who want to be tall and semi standout. anything above even though 6'4 and 6'5 aren't auite at the inconvenience points, are maybe is really only useful in daily life if you are a pro athlete of some sort.
Canson said on 27/Aug/16
@ poster Rob (from your August 23rd post to me), yes 195 at your lowest is essentially 6'5. 6'4.77 at night time you would've been close enough to 6'5 for the whole day and to be honest it is how you would look in public. I am 196 out of bed, but I'm 194 flat at my lowest and say im 6'4 1/2 most of the time. Sometimes even just 6'4 these days (I did used to say 6'5 when I played ball). But been edged out by too many "legit" 6'5s to continue. I've noticed once you are that height people are less likely to lie about how tall they are as it is pointless. I mean it's nothing against taller heights but there is less benefit to being more than that truthfully from the standpoint of hitting your head on doorways etc and the only person they'd be helping is others who need them to cover their lies
Canson said on 27/Aug/16
@HonestSlovene: I don't think John was saying it necessarily for his height. He was responding to Ice wanting to be taller than he is. I on the other hand would not want to be any taller. But yes he is right. Most people say it to me and I'm a good 2 1/2" shorter than he is. I agree with John that many do want to be taller. But that's what I don't get. Especially when people lie. You can't control it. I mean you are what you are and if you are tall you're tall you're shorter you're shorter but at John's height 6'7, not many people are going to challenge him in public I will say that. However for daily life John would likely admit it's an inconvenience. I mean to put it frankly, I'd be just as happy at 6'3 as I would 6'4 1/2. Once you're in that category, you're just very tall. And there is no advantage that I have in the 6'4 range that Ice wouldn't have at 6'2. But having been 6'4ish for almost half of my life now, I'd say I'm accustomed to it and John is saying the same essentially. He's saying people think it's a cake walk and you have it made because you're tall. Really it's not especially at his height.
Canson said on 27/Aug/16
@John: I agree that there are inconveniences. I wouldn't want to be any taller than I am(stated it before too many times). I made the comment to Ice however because he's also a good height at 6'2. I'm about 6'4 1/2 and that's tall. I am good with where I am and it's right for me. That's the key. You have to accept your height. And I have. I know that height is out of the realm of our control but honestly if I had to choose a height it'd be 6'4 flat (6'3 7/8 at my lowest or even 6'4 at my lowest). That 1/2" makes a difference because In shoes, I wouldn't cross much over 6'5 even in boots. But I am also fortunate and blessed to be where I am and not too too tall and not too too short even despite some of the mildly tight airplane fits etc everything else is normal for me
Canson said on 27/Aug/16
@John: I agree that there are inconveniences. I wouldn't want to be any taller than I am(stated it before too many times). I made the comment to Ice however because he's also a good height at 6'2. I'm about 6'4 1/2 and that's tall. I am good with where I am and it's right for me. That's the key. You have to accept your height. And I have. I know that height is out of the realm of our control but honestly if I had to choose a height it'd be 6'4 flat (6'3 7/8 at my lowest or even 6'4 at my lowest). That 1/2" makes a difference because In shoes, I wouldn't cross much over 6'5 even in boots. But I am also fortunate and blessed to be where I am and not too too tall and not too too short even despite some of the mildly tight airplane fits etc everything else is normal for me
HonestSlovene said on 27/Aug/16
@John Ummm based on what you have written about what he said I would say the opposite that most people feel sorry for extremely tall people because of the sheer inconvenience they face when dealing with the most basic tasks like going to the convenience story as you did. Me personally, I am completely satisfied with being 178-179 cm, I would rate my height an easy 6/10 and ideal range for me is pretty much 183-191 cm, with 185-188 cm being perfect height. Honestly it would be nice being taller than the vast majority of men but there is always a tipping point where people would like to feel normal rather than stand out like a freak of nature. 183-191 cm is pretty much solid tall range and 173-182 cm is the average zone in the west, whereas with 186-187 cm you feel solid tall but still convenient height for everyday life hence it is ideal.

@Powerhouse If 5'10.5 is average for young whites in the US as you say and 5'8 is very short than 6'1 is very tall? I'd say 6 cm is a noticeable, but not a very big height difference. IMO:

5'2 or less midget
5'3-5'5 very short
5'6-5'8 short
5'9-6'0 average
6'1-6'3 tall
6'4-6'6 very tall
6'7 and up giant
Ice said on 27/Aug/16
@Johan how tall are you ? 6'4"?
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 27/Aug/16
Rob do you look older now at nearing 40 too when you were nearing 30 what age do people really start too use signs of ageing like changes of the face changes of the skin body breaking down thinning hair and graying hair are you embracing ageing or are you fighting ageing people usually age every 10 years after 20 but some people never age like asians blacks and native americans whites age very fast after the age of 20.
Editor Rob: it's a gradual process ageing, sometimes your lifestyle accelerates the process, but it can also slow it somewhat, if you live a good one with good health and fitness and food!
Powerhouse said on 27/Aug/16
The average white male in the U.S is apparently 5'10.5 according to some sources, I live in a 95% Caucasian area (I'm white my self) And if you are 5'8 and under you will feel very short in the eastern U.S. There are tons of 6'0+ men and 5'8+ women, if you are a guy 5'6 and under that is very rare, I hardly see that. 5'6 and under guys are hobbit status here.
John said on 27/Aug/16
Ice & Canson
Our heights have their inconvenients too: Yesterday in a major store I passed a low ceiling edge duly signed with black and yellow zebras. Of course I had to duck.under it like other tall men, when most people around us didn't even reach it. What i didn't expect was that i reached the ceiling after that edge too, unlike anybody else, and that was not signed. When I hit the ceiling there was a young assistant, who got me just above the waist I think and he apologised on behalf of the shop saying 'I'm sorry Sir but you are so, so tall... I'd give anything to be your height'.
There you are, even in the face of those inconvenients very short young people would rather be very tall.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 25/Aug/16
Rob how come 5ft 9in men can look shorter at times and 5ft 10in men can look taller at times since 5ft 9in is lower average for men if 5ft 9in men have a stocky build they can look short 5ft 10in is on the higher end of average solid average height 5ft 10in men never look short even if they have a stocky build 5ft 10in men can look taller they really are and 5ft 9in men can look shorter they really are how is it that possible.
Editor Rob: whilst an inch isn't huge, sometimes bodyframes/head sizes can sometimes make a 5ft 9 look short and a 5ft 10 man with just an extra inch and maybe a smaller head appear taller.

There's one guy I seen the other day and I never paid attention to his height, he always looked 5ft 7-8, then I talked to him and was surprised he was 5ft 9, he had a massive head for his height really, a proper 10 incher, which from a distance made him look smaller.
Ice said on 25/Aug/16
@Canson you have a good height IMO , My dream height would be 198 cm out of bed and 196 cm during the afternoon. so youre close to what I would considere as ideal for me .
Sam said on 25/Aug/16
How tall would someone be if they wore xl clothes?
Hardi said on 25/Aug/16
According to scientists from Imperial College London (Click Here) Estonians are the 3rd tallest nation in the world by men 180cm and women 169cm and I can confirm that. The thing is some days ago I was in one shopping centre located in Tallinn and I felt as a low average or slightly below average. I´m 184 cm and most men were taller than me, also these who were shorter than me - 4/5 of these men weren´t shorter than 2 inches of me. I´d say if you come to Estonia at 5ft10 and under you will feel short most of the time, 6ft4 and over you will feel tall.
Hardi said on 25/Aug/16
According to scientists from Imperial College London (Click Here) Estonians are the 3rd tallest nation in the world by men 180cm and women 169cm and I can confirm that. The thing is some days ago I was in one shopping centre located in Tallinn and I felt as a low average or slightly below average. I´m 184 cm and most men were taller than me, also these who were shorter than me - 4/5 of these men weren´t shorter than 2 inches of me. I´d say if you come to Estonia at 5ft10 and under you will feel short most of the time, 6ft4 and over you will feel tall.
Canary said on 24/Aug/16
@Johan: I limit this question to younger women of Dutch ethnicity. Do some regions contain taller women while other regions contain shorter women? Are some differences based on education and/or income? That's how it is here.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 24/Aug/16
Rob can you really lose height in your late 30's your almost 40 and your still a strong 5ft 8in you haven't lost any height at all what is your secret most people when they get too late 30's 40's don't lose any height at all even people in their late 40's early 50's don't lose any height height loss doesn't begin until people hit their mid 50's but everyone is different some people can get too mid 50's and not lose height at all some people can lose height in their late 60's that means they are late bloomers in terms of height loss how is it possible.
Editor Rob: well a brother-in-law I measured a few times and at 40 he's lost a 1/4 inch, so it is possible...

Once nearer 50 then it will be interesting to see if I lose a fraction by then. I will know because I might dip under 5ft 8!
the Slav said on 24/Aug/16
Rusty you are perfectly average for a Dutch man
MD said on 24/Aug/16
I hope everyone else is mature enough to ignore @host's ridiculous comments.
Canson said on 23/Aug/16
@Rob: that's how it used to be where most guys wanted 6'2 now a lot of guys that are 189-190 claim 6'4 and 192cm claim 6'5. Don't see why common ppl do it when they aren't pro athletes. But I will agree that anything more than that is not ideal. That's why you see Legit 6'5 guys (from what I have seen) stick with 6'5 not any higher. Even legit 6'4 guys (mostly) although I see some of that too claim 6'5. That's why you don't see a lot of legit 196 guys claim 6'7". Funny thing last week I had a conference and a colleague looked noticeably taller and built well like in athletic shape. Very honest tho about his height. He said he's between 6'5 and 6'6 and not 6'7 which he could've easily pulled in dress shoes. He had me by an inch or so
Canson said on 23/Aug/16
@Petepro: he is very tall and likely isn't a legit 6'5. Manning edged him by a good inch to inch and a half same with Barkley and Jordan. 192 is more likely if not a full 193
Canary said on 23/Aug/16
Is there a link between height and intelligence? Do tall people tend to have higher IQs while short people tend to have lower IQs?
HonestSlovene said on 23/Aug/16
@mitch Pretty good chances tbh. I also grew slowly and finished at a solid 5'10.25 or even close to 5'10.5 and was 5'7 at 15, 5'8 at 16, 5'9 at 17, 5'9.5 at 18, 5'10 at 19 and now 5'10.25-5'10.5 at 23. I'd say 100% at least 5'11.5 with a chance of the full 6'0 but even at 5'11 you would be a very good height in the west since most guys fall around 5'8 to around 6'0 and 6'0.5+ is solid tall.
Ice said on 23/Aug/16
@I know 6'5 barefoot is tall , 194 cm is tall as well no doubt about that , but it doesnt give off that vibe a 200 cm man would give off , the type of aura were everyone notices that a giant is among them .
Rob said on 23/Aug/16
@canson what is your definition of 6ft5? Is 195cm okay to be considered extremely tall?
Johan said on 23/Aug/16
Rusty said on 21/Aug/16

@Johan I'm 181cm in the evening. How would that height be perceived in the Netherlands? I imagine it would be similar to a 175-176cm guy in the states, but I'd just like your opinion. Thanks.

The average has been reported as being 182 cm but from what I see on a daily basis I always guessed 181 cm. You might think , thats a small difference but at 185 cm myself I noticed 4 cm a lot more than 2-3 cm. I believe those measurements were taken earlier in the day as the reported average of 182.6 cm for 30-40 yr olds seems a bit high to me.

So back to your question Rusty - I believe you would be an average guy here especially since your 181 cm at your low. Some women would even refer to you as tall, I have seen it happen.with other 5'11" range guys.
Johan said on 23/Aug/16
Canary said on 20/Aug/16
@Johan: Oh, I agree with you! I doubt that women will ever be taller than or equal to men. Of course, I'm referring to perfectly matched individuals. Many Dutch women tower many Indonesian men.
I'm somewhat surprised to hear that ordinary Dutch girls are between 5'6 and 5'8, but I absolutely believe you. I also notice that girls are taller than records claim. I also observe height differences between girls in varied places around here, even if they share the same ethnic background. Do you see the same kind of thing in the Netherlands?

Yes it can be a mixed bag really. The average is officially 5'6.5" - 169 cm and usually it is indeed mostly women between 5'5 - 5'8" that I see walking around but you also still have a fair amount of women who are 5'2"-5'4" just not so many. In fact there are just as many 5'9-5'11" girls here as the 5'2-5"4" ones. Obviously the area's that draw younger people and those under the age of 50 have a much higher average I would say.

Maybe in College's and at nightclubs you could say the average is closer to 5'7.5".
Mitch said on 23/Aug/16
Hi Rob, I'm 182.4 outta bed and 180.5 at my lowest. Is it reasonable for me to claim 5'11.5?
Also, I just turned 18 an pretty sure that I'm still growing. Here is my height chart:
15 - 176/174
16 - 179/177
17 - 181/179
18 - 182.4/180.5
As you can see, I never had a big growth spurt in my late teens, but instead of that slowly grow for about 2 cm per year on average. So, what's my chances on hitting a strong 6 foot, like 185/183? Cause I really believe that I have very good chances.
Btw my dad is 6'1 and mom is 5'6
Regularo said on 23/Aug/16
Wow Rob, you are good! You guessed 6'3.5-6'3.75 - I had a doctors appointment yesterday evening and I was measured 6'3.63" to be precise :D
Canson said on 22/Aug/16
@Ice: 6'4 1/2 not impressive? I get guessed at 6'5 or 6'6 regularly and am 194 flat at my lowest. Not sure where you live if the population is just as tall as you claim or if you weren't measured properly. I've never been told I'm not that tall it's usually that I look taller than I am. If you were in the states it'd be a completely different perspective. Add to it longer limbs. I have a 6'3.5 coworker who for the longest time claimed 6'4/6'5 until I told him how tall I was and told him to stop trying to inflate people to make himself taller and offered to go to the nurse. All of a sudden he became "about 6'3.5". He can look closer to 6'3 at times truthfully. People go all out until you put them on the spot
Canary said on 22/Aug/16
Is there a link between height and intelligence? Many studies claim that tall people have higher IQs while short people have lower IQs.
Shield said on 22/Aug/16
@host
New York is Lilliput compared to Dubrovnik because you can see thousands of men shorter than 170 cm every day, while you could spend a year in Dubrovnik and see a thousand of them at most during the whole stay. People can meet considerably more short men and women in New York than in Dubrovnik, therefore New York is short and Dubrovnik is tall. There, your own logic used against you in two measly sentences. Ten large drops of water in a desert do not form an oasis. I understand you 'aryan warriors' can't be bothered to learn proper English, but at least try to use common sense.
HonestSlovene said on 22/Aug/16
@host So is yours tbh.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 22/Aug/16
Rob how can you tell if someone is 4 inches taller than you I'm guessing your looking at the bottom of their nose.
Editor Rob: you'd be looking an inch below their mouth, or bottom of their mouth if they had a large eye-skull measurement like 5 inches.
PetePro said on 22/Aug/16
Olympics: Seeing Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt one sees how tall a legitimate 6'5" is. I was surprised by how much shorter all the other men were to him.
Canson said on 21/Aug/16
@Ice: I find it odd honestly but I don't live there. Here a guy who is 6'4-6'5 I do see but not daily. A proper 6!4 is even rare. Now I see 6'2-3 all the time but at least 8 out of 10 times if not 9 I'm the tallest in a room or setting and am not even 6-5. 6'5 barefoot is extremely tall
Morpheus said on 21/Aug/16
Rob,

How come when people ask you what you think the ideal height for a man is you don't answer? I've seen the question posed a few times. Can you tell us what you think it is?
Editor Rob: I have said in the past, for this site an ideal height would be around 6ft range as it would make it easier for photos. 6ft 4-5 might not be an ideal height for this site because you would end up with more actors and actresses rising up on toes.

In general if you asked most men you'd find typically they'd say 6ft 1-2 range is an ideal height.
Michael M. said on 21/Aug/16
Im currently 15 years old and 2 months, my height is 176cm--177cm, depending on the day. usually 176, my mother is 171.5 and my father is 178 or 179. i have 2 very tall grandmothers at 173 and 177, and my uncles are both 6 foot range, maybe strong 5'11. what would you guys guess to be my final height? i wake up at a bit over 178. also ive grown nearly 3 inches in the last year. idk if that will slow down or what. so what do you guys think my final height will be
Rusty said on 21/Aug/16
@host I don't think anyone considers it a problem that Dubrovnik has a smaller population than New York. You will almost certainly find more 190cm men in New York than Dubrovnik just because there are so many more people. You will also easily find men in the 160-170cm range in New York, which I imagine isn't so common in Dubrovnik. The fact is, if you took a randomly selected group of 100 guys from each city, the ones from Dubrovnik would, on average, be taller.

@Johan I'm 181cm in the evening. How would that height be perceived in the Netherlands? I imagine it would be similar to a 175-176cm guy in the states, but I'd just like your opinion. Thanks.
host said on 21/Aug/16
truth said on 18/Aug/16
@host I understand but disagree, also usually the cities that have a higher average tend to have taller people as well, it is basic statistics (standard deviation rule). I guess it can only come down to ones own perception or just a situation, where there are more tall people out and about.

@Truth, I don't care if you agree or disagree, your opinion is nothing. The only fact is that People can meet more tall men and women in New York than Dubrovnik. So New York is tall one, Dubrovnik is short one. That is enough.
host said on 21/Aug/16
@James Like I said before, do not use population as an excuse, who forbids Dubrovnik has a huge population? tell me, Who? If small cities like Dubrovnik are not able to have huge population, that is their own problem, you have no right to blame to those big cities.

The only thing here is New York has more tall people than Dubrovnik, THIS IS THE FACT, so New York can call Dubrovnik a city of midget. Sounds very fair.
host said on 21/Aug/16
@Tony

Don't use population as an excuse. Who does not allow Dubrovnik has so small population? If Dubrovnik is not able to has millions population, that is only its own problem. Don't blame others. The fact is New York has more tall people than Dubrovnik, so, New York is tall city, Dubrovnik is midget.
Wilson said on 20/Aug/16
Hey Rob

I understand that being very young may affect the amount of height loss during the day. How substantial is this? At 18 I have shrunk from about slightly under 5'10.5 to about 5'9.25 (3cm difference) between my morning and evening height. However at 21 I still wake up around slightly under 5'10.5, yet I seem to lose slightly less than 2cm during the same amount of time throughout the day, and I rarely fall below 5'9.5 now no matter how strenuous the day was. I have been in college the last few years and I always make sure I have the same routine throughout the day before measuring, and at the same time. Could I have grown slightly, or what causes this phenomenon to happen.
Editor Rob: it might just have been a final little 'end of growth cycle' amount you got.

When you are young your discs are in the best health, so the shrinkage should be at it's max range...as you get older in life that amount we shrink should reduce a little.
Johnson said on 20/Aug/16
After some years of gym is it normal to lose 1 cm of height for some people?
Canary said on 20/Aug/16
@Johan: Oh, I agree with you! I doubt that women will ever be taller than or equal to men. Of course, I'm referring to perfectly matched individuals. Many Dutch women tower many Indonesian men.
I'm somewhat surprised to hear that ordinary Dutch girls are between 5'6 and 5'8, but I absolutely believe you. I also notice that girls are taller than records claim. I also observe height differences between girls in varied places around here, even if they share the same ethnic background. Do you see the same kind of thing in the Netherlands?
James said on 20/Aug/16
truth said on 17/Aug/16
@french guy Click Here This is the source where you got the french average 179.7cm from?

178.3 cm in Montenegro? 181.7 cm in Belgium?177cm in Austria? LOL I thought 183 cm in Montenegro, 178-179 cm in Belgium and about 180 cm in Austria. And 177-178 cm in France, same as the UK.

@truth@frenchguy Around 177 - 178 cm seems right for young French men. I remember in my old apartment, quite a number of my neighbors were French most between ages 20-35. I would say they average no more than 5'10.
I believe this current study is not very accurate when depicting the average height of European countries since they rely on estimates for certain countries. However you can't dismiss this study as totally inaccurate since many countries have figures similar to those previous studies which seem pretty accurate. Those figures rely on conscripts data.
Nothing on the web is 100% accurate data.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 20/Aug/16
Rob is it possible for people in their early 40's too look like people in their late 20's early 30's everybody ages differently not everybody is going too look their age in their early 40's not everybody is going too look early 50's when they are in their early 40's seeing recent photos and recent videos of you you look like you aged a lot since your late 20's early 30's people who look young for their age look old for their age and look their age it always down too genes i watched a one off program how to stay young i saw people who were in their late 70's early 80's not all of them looked their age looked old for their age one of them looked young for their age there was one man who had a full head of hair he was 79 nearly 80 he looked about 68 at the most how was that possible when everyone his age looked about their age and looked a lot older than their age.
Editor Rob: yes some in their 40's can pass for late 20's, usually good genes and healthy lifestyle...but also makeup can play a role too, some makeup styles take a decade off ladies.
HonestSlovene said on 20/Aug/16
@Crypto139 The average ideal height according to polls is higher because mostly men and very few women answered the polls. It is the same here, as the female user Canary pointed out most people that visit this site are male. I hope there are going to be more females here, we need a female output as well.
Mitch said on 20/Aug/16
Hi Rob, I'm 182.4 outta bed and 180.5 at my lowest. Is it reasonable for me to claim 5'11.5?
Also, I just turned 18 an pretty sure that I'm still growing. Here is my height chart:
15 - 176/174
16 - 179/177
17 - 181/179
18 - 182.4/180.5
As you can see, I never had a big growth spurt in my late teens, but instead of that slowly grow for about 2 cm per year on average. So, what's my chances on hitting a strong 6 foot, like 185/183? Cause I really believe that I have very good chances.
Btw my dad is 6'1 and mom is 5'6
George said on 20/Aug/16
Hi Rob

When you speak about low heights, what is the realistically the most a person can dip under their normal height? I mean could a 5'8 person like yourself drop to like 5'7.75 or lower after strenuous activity, right before bed etc?

Cheers
Editor Rob: between 1/8th and 1/3rd might be possible for an extreme low. It's a hard thing to measure, I've test it myself and don't drop under 5ft 8 on a bad day, but my discs are in better health than some people.
Regularo said on 19/Aug/16
Hi Rob, I was able to measure my eye-level in at night and it was 5'11" even! How tall do you think I could be???
Editor Rob: all likelihood 6ft 3.5-3.75 zone
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 19/Aug/16
Rob can a 5ft 8in man in 3 inch custom sneakers look 1 inch shorter than a 5ft 11in man in flat trainers this sounds like a Robert Downey Jr case.
Editor Rob: absolutely, although very few actors have I ever seen wearing elevators that looked more than 3 inch styles.
Ice said on 19/Aug/16
@Canson youve got a good height but its not impressive to be 194 cm . I see guys your height range quite often in Austria .
Cliff said on 19/Aug/16
My son is 203 cm tall, where would he sit on a chart of the average height of Australian males?
Kaneff said on 19/Aug/16
@crypto139

Self selection bias. Short people tend to avoid polls and discussions like that. Add to the fact that people already inflate their height by 1-2 inches.
Johan said on 19/Aug/16
Canary said on 13/Aug/16
@Johan: That's interesting. I doubt that Dutch boys and Dutch girls will ever be the same height, but the gap might close to three or four inches. It's sometimes hard to know for sure because varied studies show varied results. I would not be shocked if the average girl is 5'7 in some parts of the Netherlands, though. Even 5'8 is not impossible in very anomalous situations in which a very tiny demographic is represented. On the other end of the spectrum, you might find that 5'4 is the most common height among certain demographic groups. FE, I see height gaps from one neighborhood to another here. I'm sure that this phenomenon is common in other places too.



No I think that men will remain taller by several inches but like you say I think the gap may very well shrink down to 3-4 inches. Among young white girls here 5'8" isn't that tall at all. You really need to be over 5'9" before people will say that you are tall .

Just today I was out in the city working and a group of students passed and not one of them was under 5'7". The tallest one was 6'0.

I do believe that 169 cm is outdated and that 170 cm - 5'7" is most likely average now for a young woman here in the Netherlands.

Ofc if you include immigrants and other minorites this is drastically different. I have seen women from those groups who are under 5ft ...I almost stand on them in shops.
truth said on 19/Aug/16
@James Exactly James, you hit the nail on the head, I agree.
Agent Silent said on 19/Aug/16
American Male height chart:
5'7" and below = Short
5'8" - 5'10" = Average
5'10".5 - 5'11".25 = Above Average
5'11".5 and up = Tallish/Tall
NX said on 18/Aug/16
Rob if the 173cm mark of the tape measure reaches the top of your forehead bang on where your hairline starts how tall would that make you?

How many cms from that part of the forehead to the top of the head?
Editor Rob: it is quite typical to have near 4cm for the hairline, but some have as much as 5cm, others as little as 1cm (mainly though that is through balding/recession).
ZoZo said on 18/Aug/16
Hi Rob, when I measure myself to my head I'm 187.5 but when checking my eye-level at the next moment its 177? what am i doing wrong?
Editor Rob: it's not impossible to have around 4.2 inch eyelevel. You might be raising your eyes very slightly, but those figures aren't abnormal if you have a slightly higher than average eyelevel.
Crypto139 said on 18/Aug/16
They finally added Asian Americans on the height charts. They average at 172.3 cm for the young males. The Hispanic Americans are basically the same at 172.4 cm. White and black males average at 178.2 and 177.4 respectively which is pretty close in general and I agree as I have to look up to both races a lot. Though I feel eye to eye with most Asians Hispanics though.
Tony said on 18/Aug/16
@Host
Have you ever thought that New York City has about 20 million people? And that there might be some thousands people who exceed the 6'3" mark?
Dubrovnik has a population of 42,000 people according to wikipedia. Of course you will see 6'6"-6'7" guys in New York, the city is mixed. You'll see a lot of short people, average ones and tall ones aswell. It's 20 million jesus.
James said on 18/Aug/16
@host
LOL then we may as well say London/New York/Paris are the tallest places around the world because they have the most over 2 meters tall.
These cities have a huge population, therefore chances of seeing a 2 metre male is higher even if they constitute less than 0.1% of the total male population. I'm sure Dubrovnik doesn't have a huge population compared to New York City or London even tough average height there is 183/184 cm for young males.
truth said on 18/Aug/16
@host I understand but disagree, also usually the cities that have a higher average tend to have taller people as well, it is basic statistics (standard deviation rule). I guess it can only come down to ones own perception or just a situation, where there are more tall people out and about.
crypto139 said on 18/Aug/16
Hey Rob we had this poll on the forum on how tall everyone is. We had 4 options. 5 feet 9 and under got 6 votes, 5 feet 10 to 5 feet 11 got 6 votes, 6 feet 0 to 6 feet 5 got 8 votes, and 6 feet 6 and beyond got 1 vote.

Also this place has both genders. So how close is this to reality since every single person seems to be 6 foot 1?
truth said on 17/Aug/16
@french guy Click Here This is the source where you got the french average 179.7cm from?

178.3 cm in Montenegro? 181.7 cm in Belgium?177cm in Austria? LOL I thought 183 cm in Montenegro, 178-179 cm in Belgium and about 180 cm in Austria. And 177-178 cm in France, same as the UK.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 17/Aug/16
Rob What's the height difference in this picture i'm guessing near 4 inches at least like 3.75 inches you can't see their footwear but the second lady was wearing flats and the first lady is wearing converse trainers the first lady is 5ft 7.75in in sneakers 5ft 7in barefoot and the second lady is 5ft 4in barefoot 5ft 4.5in flats.
Click Here
Editor Rob: there looks only a couple of inches between the characters, but it's a high angle so maybe at different angles your characters would look nearer 4 inches apart.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 17/Aug/16
Rob do you know any men in your age range late 30's early 40's who have dated and married women 14 15 years older than them hugh jackman married a woman 13 years older than him do you know anyone who dated and married women between 10 and 15 years older than them.
Editor Rob: I personally don't know anybody with a 15 year gap. Hugh seems to have made his relationship last a long time, which today is a miracle, given how few couples make it over 20 years
the Slav said on 17/Aug/16
I dont think 179.7 is the exact average height for a young French man, but it isnt too far off either. Maybe only 1-2 cm
Ice said on 17/Aug/16
@LynxEffect why not
french guy said on 16/Aug/16
The health insurance industry is the only business I know of that tries to bolster its profits by denying customers the


how do you know it'q self reported?
Do you have a proof?
host said on 16/Aug/16
truth said on 14/Aug/16
@host I agree with your assessment. People in the Dinaric alps and in the surrounding areas are quite tall but people saying the average is 188cm+ there are simply trolling or misinformed

@Truth Don't list those so-called data to me. For one thing, the database you mentioned was 10 year ago, new generation should be taller than the past. Secondly, database/records do not show the whole picture. I always believe which city has more chance to meet guys over 190 cm or 200 cm, which city is taller. According to data, Dubrovnik is 184 averagely, New York may be only about 176 cm. But grizz said it is rarely to see guys over 195 cm in Dubrovnik , then I even saw 10- 11 guys over 200 cm in New York. Comparing with these two cities, it is safely to say that New York is tall one, however, Dubrovnik is a city of midget. That's simple.

If I meet many 2 meter guys in city A, and none of guys over 200 cm in city B, even though the data/records/documents show that the average height of those two cities are the same, I still insist that city A is much taller than city B.

Any way, which city/region/state/county/providence/village has the most 200 cm people, which one is tallest in the world. That is simple rule.
host said on 16/Aug/16
@grizz If you said what you saw, and it is true, then this only proves local people in Dubrovnik are very short. Cause I've stayed in New York about two weeks, I am sure that I have encountered 10-12 guys are 2 meter or taller at least. And I don't think New York is considered "tall city" in the world.
truth said on 16/Aug/16
@french guy I would say about 180-181 cm overall and 178-184 cm depending on area like I explained down.
grizz said on 16/Aug/16
@french guy, really depends on the area you are, Croatia is quite diverse height-wise, just like Germany; in Zagorje 177-178 cm is average for youngsters, Slavonija more or less the same, Dalmatia and Lika 183-185 cm, Zagreb 181. So roughly 181 cm
Sam said on 16/Aug/16
What about Michael gove? Seems about 5ft 10 to be.
Sam said on 16/Aug/16
How tall are Tim Lovejoy and Simon Rimmer from Sunday brunch. I don't think they have been mentioned on here beforem
Editor Rob: Tim actually claimed 5ft 11, but I'm not that familiar with him.
french guy said on 16/Aug/16
@truth

what is the average height for whole croatia?
180.5 or 184 cm or inbetween
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 16/Aug/16
Rob do people in their 50's have better lives than people in their 30's and 40's people keep saying life gets better the older you get, I wonder what people in their 50's would say if you asked them does life get better as you age they would most likely say yes how much life experience would people in their 40's and in their 50's have compared too people in their 30's ,If you go on holiday Aboard and the UK most people are their 40's and in their 50's people in their 30's don't go on holiday in the UK and Aboard so much anymore how come do people in their 40's and in their 50's know how to have fun more than people in their 30's.
Editor Rob: many aren't as fit as they used to be, and may have more ailments and health worries.

But, they may have found a career by then that they enjoy and are wealthier, which might help.
truth said on 16/Aug/16
@Joe Well sure, I agree 100% with your statement. I only use the official average for a general reference. Not to say in most places the average would be exactly that but it fluctuates a few cm depending on certain situations like everywhere else in the world(regarding age, income bracket, race and nationality).
Joe said on 15/Aug/16
@french guy
>lol @tunman the average height for young men in France is 179.7 cm

Yes, average "self-reported" height in France is 179.7.
Sad many continental European countries don't have nationwide measured data just like third world nations.
Ice said on 15/Aug/16
lol @ Alain beeing 7'6 . He looks like 6'9 in that picture . Want a real 7'6 guy , try Shawn Bradley ..
Canary said on 15/Aug/16
@Johan: I posted a reply to you. It wasn't yet put on the message board.
172.4cm guy said on 15/Aug/16
@John thanks for the feedback regarding male-to-female height. I think you are right...anything 170-174 is still a decent height.

@Tunman, thanks for your feedback regarding the mistake in female heights. I'll update a personal table I keep about this stuff.
172.4cm guy said on 15/Aug/16
@5'8.75 I like your male height table and how you incorporated the bell curve in your statistical references. I thought about doing it in my own table, but didn't really know how to explain it with words. Yours did a great job accomplishing just that.
LynxEffect said on 14/Aug/16
If i am just over 189cm at my lowest and just under 191cm upon awakening, can i claim 6'3?
AHD 6'4-6'4.5 said on 14/Aug/16
Hi rob I'm just wondering how is it possible for me being 194cm tall? When my parents are measured at 160cm (mom) and 172cm (dad).
Editor Rob: genetically you got more of the taller aspects of the genes that determine height.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 14/Aug/16
Rob would you consider doing a documentary on celebheights on how it started and how you first became interested in height.
Editor Rob: I've mentioned before, my interest in height has increased in line with working on the site, because I feel for it to be a decent site on height it needs an Editor who at least knows a thing or two about the subject, not just celebrities, but various aspects about height.

It might be interesting doing some sort of video one day.
Sulaiman said on 14/Aug/16
Hi Rob , im 19 years and 6 months old and 174 cm ,do you think i can get to around 175cm - 177 cm by the time i stop growing.I want to at least be 5'9" by the time i stop growing.Do you think i can get there?
Editor Rob: I think the odds decrease the closer to 20-21, but there has certainly been people visiting this site who mentioned they got some more height at 19-21, so you can hope for it!
truth said on 14/Aug/16
@host I agree with your assessment. People in the Dinaric alps and in the surrounding areas are quite tall but people saying the average is 188cm+ there are simply trolling or misinformed, the highest figure measured for this area was 185 cm (more specifically in Trebinje near Dubrovnik) but you need to take into account they added 1 cm because they though men on average grew after 18 (most cases they don't) so average in that part of Balkans is 184 cm or 180-188cm range . The municipality of Dubrovnik definitely does average 184 cm for males and 171 cm for females, it is comparable to the Netherlands. The average young Croat is 180.5 cm according to data, but 183 cm to 184 cm is the true average in southern Dalmatia and the shortest Croats are probably found in Osijek, where the average male height is comparable that to Tuzla, which is a strong 178 cm.
Canary said on 13/Aug/16
@Johan: That's interesting. I doubt that Dutch boys and Dutch girls will ever be the same height, but the gap might close to three or four inches. It's sometimes hard to know for sure because varied studies show varied results. I would not be shocked if the average girl is 5'7 in some parts of the Netherlands, though. Even 5'8 is not impossible in very anomalous situations in which a very tiny demographic is represented. On the other end of the spectrum, you might find that 5'4 is the most common height among certain demographic groups. FE, I see height gaps from one neighborhood to another here. I'm sure that this phenomenon is common in other places too.
truth said on 13/Aug/16
@French guy False, due to studies it is about 178-179cm.
truth said on 13/Aug/16
@Johan I personally think both males and females will grow taller but we are nearing or are at the tipping point (southern and eastern Europe are catching up against the rest of the continent). For example countries like Slovakia, Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, the UK and Norway are all at the same height roughly 2-3 decades ago at least.In Slovenia the height difference between males and females is 13 cm (166 cm versus 179 cm, 167 cm and 180 cm for younger people) and quite ironically were the same 70 years ago at 174 cm for males and 161 cm for females so it was always 13 cm and both generations of males and females. They are still slightly growing though very near stopping (younger guys here are at most1 1 cm taller the general population). Biologically speaking there is no way the average female will outgrow the average male, males are literally made in mammal species to be taller than females. In Holland I think it will stay 6'0 range for males and 5'7 range for females. In countries like Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania men and women are still going to grow a couple of centimeters at least.
Roy said on 13/Aug/16
@Ice..sorry I remember now that you posted against some of ricks posts. He was a serious troller.
Flyin said on 13/Aug/16
General feedback Rob/guys and girls. Would you lose more height during the day if you are overweight...
Editor Rob: it's something a research study might be able to test...
grizz said on 13/Aug/16
@host, I did not write that 15% of women were over 6'3; read again, I wrote that 15% of them were in 6'1-6'3 range. I have seen only one woman there over 6'3, but I'm not so sure she's a Croat.
I tell you what I saw, maybe if I attended a basketball game I'd see them. The only guys over 195 cm I saw were foreigners (Dutch would be my educated guess).
mrtguy said on 13/Aug/16
Rob, I found a recent pic of Alain and he sure looks 7'6'' ahahaha Click Here
Editor Rob: if he's slouching 5 inches maybe he is ;)
french guy said on 13/Aug/16
lol @tunman the average height for young men in France is 179.7 cm, therefore 183 cm is not tall, and 176 cm is not really short, both are average heights.
Canson said on 13/Aug/16
@Roy: Ice definitely isn't Rick. They were posting during the same period and To be fair Ice's perception (possibly his measurement) may be off but he isn't like Rick adding 4" in height. I think Rick trapped himself in quicksand and stopped honestly
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 12/Aug/16
Simple Height Catogries:

1. Extreme tall:199 cm and more.
You are taller than 99.9% of people.

2. Too tall: Range (191 cm - 198 cm)
At 191 cm you are taller than 98% of people.

3. Tall: Range (184 cm - 190 cm)
At 184 cm you are taller than 86% of people.

4. Above average: Range (177 cm - 183 cm)
At 177 cm you are taller than 55% of people.

5. Average, 50% percentile: 176 cm.

6. Below average: Range (169 cm - 175 cm)
At 169 cm you are taller than 17% of people.

7. Short: Range (162 cm - 168 cm)
At 162 cm you are taller than 3% of people.

8. Too short: Range (154 cm - 161 cm)
At 154 cm you are taller than 0.2% of people.

9. Extreme short:153 cm and less.
You are taller than 0.1% of people.

References:

[1] Anthropometric Reference Data for Children and Adults: United States, 2007–2010
[2] CDC Percentile Data Files
[3] WHO Child Growth Standards
host said on 12/Aug/16
grizz said on 8/Aug/16
I just spent my vacation in Dubrovnik for 5-6 days. I was walking every morning and evening through Stradun and I was surprised how tall girls really are there!I will not tell like some trolls that women over 6'3 are not a rarity, but I can tell you that 15 out of 100 women were 6'1-6'3 range! Surprisingly, guys were at most 6'5. I know these are people from Dubrovnik because they have a very specific accent. As a side-note, beautiful women (although mostly flat-chested).

@grizz If you have been Dubrovnik in 6 days and not see any young Croatian is over 200 cm, it would be so weird. I've been New York two weeks. Of course, most men in New York are under 180 cm. But I encountered at least 10-11 guys are above 200 cm, when I walked down street, had dinner in the restaurants, took metro, etc. It sounds like Croatians in Dubrovnik are much shorter than people in New York? I don't think so.
host said on 12/Aug/16
grizz said on 8/Aug/16
I just spent my vacation in Dubrovnik for 5-6 days. I was walking every morning and evening through Stradun and I was surprised how tall girls really are there!I will not tell like some trolls that women over 6'3 are not a rarity, but I can tell you that 15 out of 100 women were 6'1-6'3 range! Surprisingly, guys were at most 6'5. I know these are people from Dubrovnik because they have a very specific accent. As a side-note, beautiful women (although mostly flat-chested).

@grizz That doesn't make any sense. If you can see 15% Croatian girls are 190 cm+, you should see 15% Croatian boys are 200 cm+ there. Usually, it is not possible that see many tall girls but not many tall boys in a city. I have a friend from Croatia, he has relatives live in Dubrovnik, according to his comments, 200 cm is also very tall there, but it is not very uncommon to meet that height. His cousin is 203-204 cm who attends a high school in Dubrovnik, and not the tallest male student on campus.
There was a data showed that the average height of 17 years old boys in Dubrovnik is 184 cm, so the percentage should be around 7% boys are over 195 cm.

I assume that you were not trolling, maybe you were just luck. Those tall boys from Dubrovnik ( like 200 cm plus) did not walk down street those days, or you just did not meet tall guys, things just happened.
french guy said on 12/Aug/16
@tunman
the average height for young european is 180 cm, therefore 183 cm is not tall
Johan said on 12/Aug/16
Canary said on 8/Aug/16
The average Indonesian man is shorter than the average Dutch woman, but he's still taller than the average Indonesian woman. In most countries, the average male is four to five inches taller than the average female (18+ adults of same age). Have there ever been any countries where the average woman is taller than the average man? I really doubt it, so what's the narrowest height gap between the sexes? (My post will receive fewer replies than posts telling people to ignore Ice's trolling.)


Well people keep saying there is a solid 5 inches between the genders but I do believe the gap is slowly closing.

Take The Netherlands for example last study claimed 5'11.5" for men and 5'6.5" for women so following the status quo but if you look at the young generation - 18-25 years you will see that the men are getting smaller - 5'11.25" in comparison to the 30-40 yr old men. It seems we have reached our limit.

Few weeks back 5'7" was being reported as the average for 18-25 yr old students...so the girls are starting to catch up. I pondered on this a bit and I keep up with two reasons -

1. Womens preference for taller men - Its not always so but girls tend to take their height from their father.

2. Growth Hormones- Its in everything nowadays and being heavily pushed even by medical professionals.

3. Nutrition and fitness - Women tend to be taking better care of themselves in comparison to the younger generation of men.
While they run/do yoga etc and eat healthy the young guys are sitting playing computer games and ordering pizza.

There has always been a kind of balance in the past but currently alot of young men seem to be neglecting their health while the women are on the brink of obsession ( instagram, health gurus etc are promoting this lifestyle to them)
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 12/Aug/16
Rob is it possible too stop growing prematurely you stopped growing at 5ft 8in when you were 14,Is it possible too stop growing at that age those celebs that are under 6ft 0in like Jon Bon Jovi Robert Downey Jr and Johnny Depp,Is it likely they stopped growing around about the age you did Robert Downey Jr and Johnny Depp could have easily stopped growing when they were like 13 14 Jon Bon Jovi said in a video he reached his full height of 5ft 9in when he was 14.
Editor Rob: some stop early, others stop later, it's just the genetic lottery of height.
grizz said on 12/Aug/16
@Tunman, visit Dubrovnik and see it with your eyes. No, most of them (like 90% of them) wore loafers. I think they are pretty height-aware so they don't want to emphasize it by wearing heels.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 12/Aug/16
Rob is what is it like too be pushing your 40's i know your not quite there yet but i wonder if your hair and beard are getting more grey since your nearly 40 are you going too start too buy just for men soon or are going too go grey all over.
Editor Rob: if I wasn't doing this site, I would probably have went through different hairstyles, different looks.

But I've tried to keep a pretty similar look and not do much to my hair. There is more noticeable grey in my beard/hair at 1 month shy of 40, than at age 30 30 when I was going to events at the start of the celebheights journey!

If I continue getting photos for the site, it will be interesting seeing changes through 40's and 50's - I might be bald, have a fully grey beard and be under 5ft 8 by age 60.
Zoom Omega Distortion said on 12/Aug/16
I'm a rebel 8) Everywhere else but here I claim to be 6'4" even though I'm only 6'3.5 before bed, I round up by a bit because I don't want to say 6'3.5 or 6'3.75 :D I was 6'2 when I was almost 19 and now year later I'm almost 6'4, hoping to grow an quarter of an inch so I don't have to lie anymore XD
Rifle said on 12/Aug/16
Rob,
How tall is the tall man on the right side of the pic of Mrs Kennedy is 5'7"?

Click Here

Regards
Editor Rob: physically could look 6ft 6
Tunman said on 11/Aug/16
@grizz
ok you made a good point by saying guys are rarely over 6'5 in Croatia,but 15%of girls 6'1-3?come on!possibly if you consider that many wear heels and even then it's quite unlikely!Would have thought maybe 15% of young girls are 5'10"+ for Dinaric alps and perhaps 1-2%would be 6'1+
@172.4cm guy
Your chart for men is perfect,for women it's 4 cm too much.According to a study MD posted on the main page (and the study seemed fair for once) young women are about 163 on average give or take few mm.So 161-165 cm seems more reasonable for an average especially if you consider the gap between men and women is generally a strong 5"(13-13,5cm)
@Scott
5'10 sounds good for many ears and seems the solid average mark,many would lie about it,even 5'7-8 guys for sure.6' is a mark where many people see you as tall.So yeah it's understandable to cheat about a fraction,and generally many in the 5'10.5-11 range go for the 6' claim.But are there many 6'2 G'ing their height to 6'4?Not that much imo,6'3 is reasonably close for many,even honest people may see it as a claim in shoes and to be fair a large number of celebs who claim 6'4 are very honest some even rounding down.I think 6'5 is a mark more lied about.
Joe said on 11/Aug/16
@truth
>but that would be literally nitpicking so I don't know why Joe brings that up.

Sorry I missed your statement. I just wanted to say some US states can have taller (or shorter) people, so "people around me are taller (shorter) than average height" doesn't directly mean the data by CDC is wrong. Of course it is nitpicking.
Thomas6ft1 said on 11/Aug/16
I think 6'1" (185 cm) is the ideal perfect height for guys. It's not too tall and not short. It's a comfortable height for life, dating, sports, buying clothes, etc.
Joe said on 11/Aug/16
@c-mo
Which state do you live in? If you are not in Northern Germany, it won't be surprising so. aside from Berlin, Bremen, and Hamburg, your height is more or less the average height of German male of all adults according to a research by Institut für Rationelle Psychologie. Just in case, I'll show the data here.

Average German male height by state

Baden-Württemberg 1,750
Bayern 1,744
Berlin 1,797
Brandenburg 1,729
Bremen 1,813
Hamburg 1,828
Hessen 1,745
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 1,729
Niedersachsen 1,758
Nordrhein-Westfalen 1,755
Rheinland-Pfalz 1,736
Saarland 1,739
Sachsen 1,726
Sachsen-Anhalt 1,723
Schleswig-Holstein 1,768
Thüringen 1,720
Total 1,754
Peter 179cm said on 11/Aug/16
@ Morpheus plus Chinese guys would atleast tower Ice,they average at 6'10...Hell even Yao Ming at 7'5 should not feel that tall,he's basically tall in China and almost average in Europe, LMAAO!!
Mark said on 11/Aug/16
Rob do you think Katherine Grainger would be slightly taller than Rebecca Adlington?
Editor Rob: yes she might be.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 11/Aug/16
Rob is it possible too stop growing prematurely you stopped growing at 5ft 8in when you were 14 is it common too stop growing at that age those celebs that are under 6ft 0in like Jon Bon Jovi Robert Downey Jr and Johnny Depp is it likely they stopped growing around about the age you did Robert Downey Jr and Johnny Depp could have easily stopped growing when they were like 13 14 Jon Bon Jovi said in a interview he reached his full height of 5ft 9in when he was 14 is this true.
James said on 11/Aug/16
@cmo
Which part of Germany are you from? I understand that a country as large as Germany would have some regional differences in average height.
Here in the U.S., the average male height of all Americans 20+ is 175.6 cm ( 5 ft 9 ). At 176 cm you would certainly feel average in a major American city. However, there's some regional differences in height in the usa from state to state. I believe there's a greater range of heights in the USA compared to Germany since there many different ethnic groups. For example the average is Southwestern US state of California would be different from Midwestern US state of Minnesota. Sometimes the differences in height might be very dramatic and noticeable.
To conclude, the average height of 175.6 cm ( 5 ft 9 ) is just an indicator and cannot be used to represent all states.
Ice said on 11/Aug/16
@Roy lol Ive been posting parallel to Rick in the past
lord say hi said on 10/Aug/16
i'm 5'10 but if there is any height i would find ideal it would be 5'11 and for me i'd love my dream girl to be 5'10 exactly. i wouldn't wanna be tall. No over 6 feet for me
174cm Tony said on 10/Aug/16
This section is seriously filled by internet trolls(maybe a lot of you are also constantly surfing troll websites aswell) but 5'9" barefoot height isn't short by any MEANS, I don't care if it's below average in Scandinavia, which accounts for less 1% of the worldwide population. Ok, let's put Germany&The Netherlands in there aswell, still. That would account for roughly 1.5% of the world population, not everyone lives there and is yet a insignificant number to take it might be 3-4 inches below their average height, so that would be like what a 5'6-5'7 man would be in the UK probably, but by no means is it short. I'm trying to help people get that out of their brains. Solid 5'9" or translate to 176cm barefoot height is as average as it gets. With regular/average shoes you get to 5'10" 178cm so it's a good height.

Don't take it too serious guys.
Hardi said on 10/Aug/16
Where do you live 172.4cm guy?
John said on 10/Aug/16
@172.4cm guy since when only half of the women look up to you when you're 5'7-5'8" range? That's taller than 85% of women worldwide. A 5'9" woman is probably in the 95% percentile, so imo a guy should have no problems with that height range. Have a good day
Johan said on 10/Aug/16
gabrielle said on 7/Aug/16
what is the perfect height for a girl in your opinion? I find myself too short and I always wear lifts


Firstly do you mean heels? Seems strange that any woman would wear lifts when its widely accepted by society that you boost your height.

To your question- You will get many different answers to that as men don't really care how tall you are. Noone does really unless your going for a career in modelling. There is no discrimination against women who are short in fact it is the very tall women who receive that.

In my opinion anything between 5'5" -5'10" is great for a woman but this is from an almost 6'1" guy so like I said opinions will vary.

I would say for me that 5'3" and under or something would be too short and maybe 6'3" too tall.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 10/Aug/16
Rob is anyway to the stop the metabolism from slowing down as you get older slowing down of metabolism is part of ageing your metabolism slows down after 20 every decade your metabolism slows down by 1 percent but is there any way too prevent the metabolism from slowing down as you get older.
Editor Rob: I've not read enough to really offer much on the topic, but keeping reasonably fit is a start!
172.4cm guy said on 9/Aug/16
In my opinion, here are the categorical and experiential differences between men and women of different heights (from a purely physical standpoint):

Men
199cm and up: Giant; nearly all of the population looks up to you to speak to you! You are an anamoly, but should embrace your size; a true powerhouse!
198cm-191cm: Very tall; most of hte population looks up to you. You are seen as tall by all your peers and seen as a powerhouse espeically if of good stock and proportions.
190cm-184cm: Tall; probably the most desired height by men. All women look up to you. You are seen as strong and robust if of good stock and propotions.
183cm-179cm: Tallish (Avg+); a good size by male standards. Most women look up to you. You are seen as capable and tough if of good stock and proportions.
178cm-175cm: Average; as normal as they come by male standards. Many women look up to you. You are seen as a standard male if of good stock and propotions.
174cm-170cm: Shortish (Avg-); slightly below normal. Half of women look up to you. "No man's land"--you are seen as slightly below average, even if of good stock and propotions.
169cm-163cm: Short; below normal height. Probably a third of women look up to you. You will probably be seen as below average in build even if of good stock and propotions.
162cm-155cm: Very Short; well below normal height. One in ten women look up to you. You will noticeably be seen as below average in build even if of good stock and proportions.
154cm and below: Small person; exceptionally below normal height. Few women look up to you. You will be considered a "small person", but should embrace your uniqueness!

Women
191cm and up: Giant; nearly all of the female population and most men will look up to you to speak to you! You are an anamoly, but should embrace your stature; truly statuesque!
190cm-183cm: Very tall; most of the female population and many men will look up to you. You are seen as tall and statuesque especially if of good stature and proportions.
182cm-175cm: Tall; definitely super model hieght. Most women and half of men look up to you. You are seen as strong and athletic if of good stature and propotions.
174cm-170cm: Tallish (Avg+); slightly tall by female standards. Many women and some men look up to you. You are seen as capable and athletic if of good stature and proportions.
169cm-165cm: Average; as normal as they come by female standards. Half of women look up to you. You are seen as a normal female if of good stature and propotions.
164cm-160cm: Shortish (Avg-); slightly below normal. A third of women look up to you. You are seen as slightly petite size even if of good stature and propotions.
159cm-152cm: Short; below normal height. One in ten women look up to you. You will be seen as petite even if of good stature and propotions.
151cm-144cm: Very Short; well below normal height. You may be the shortest in a group of women. You will be seen as very petite even if of good stature and proportions.
143cm and below: Small person; exceptionally below normal height. You will be considered a "small person", but should also embrace your uniqueness!

I hope no one was offended by this height table. We are all unique and should embrace who we are regardless of our size. This is merely a table meant for speculation, so please share your thoughts! Many thanks.
c-mo said on 9/Aug/16
hmm I see the trolling hasnt stopped . I mean some of you must be trolling because I can not see how the things you write are meant to be serious . I am 176cm at night and live in germany ....I almost never feel short . to be honest there are way more times where I feel slightly/a tiny bit tallish than short . make out of that what you want and you dont have to believe me but this is how I feel
Morpheus said on 8/Aug/16
@ Ice

How does it feel to know that you are below the average height of Chinese little girls?
Canary said on 8/Aug/16
The average Indonesian man is shorter than the average Dutch woman, but he's still taller than the average Indonesian woman. In most countries, the average male is four to five inches taller than the average female (18+ adults of same age). Have there ever been any countries where the average woman is taller than the average man? I really doubt it, so what's the narrowest height gap between the sexes? (My post will receive fewer replies than posts telling people to ignore Ice's trolling.)
MB said on 8/Aug/16
Rob, what height do you think most women would prefer? 180cm or 185cm? or another? also what height difference would be the minimum for a woman to feel attracted to him?
Editor Rob: I think you might find a split, and the height of women might determine which - a shorter might prefer 180cm over 185cm.
grizz said on 8/Aug/16
I just spent my vacation in Dubrovnik for 5-6 days. I was walking every morning and evening through Stradun and I was surprised how tall girls really are there!I will not tell like some trolls that women over 6'3 are not a rarity, but I can tell you that 15 out of 100 women were 6'1-6'3 range! Surprisingly, guys were at most 6'5. I know these are people from Dubrovnik because they have a very specific accent. As a side-note, beautiful women (although mostly flat-chested).
toor said on 8/Aug/16
Hi Rob, i am 19 years and 6 months old.I am a guy and i am 175cm (5'9") tall.When i turned 19 i was 170cm (5'7") , and have grown 5 cm (2") over the past 6 months .Since im having a pretty late growth spurt , at what age do you think i could start weightlifting without stunting my growth.
182 cm said on 8/Aug/16
Hi Rob, I know you've said in the past that 182 cm is the beginning of the tall range, but would it specifically be 5ft 11.5 or 5ft 11.75?
Editor Rob: I think 11.5 can be the range that tall may well start, but a 5ft 11 man in many circumstances and groups of people will fall into a tall range.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 8/Aug/16
Rob If a 57 year old man dated a 71 year old woman would the age gap be smaller compared too a 43 year old man dating a 57 year old woman if a man in his early 40's dated a woman in her late 50's the age gap would be bigger by the time the man is 71 the woman will be 85 does the gap in age gap relationships decrease when the couples age once your past 55 numbers matter less too when you were 25.
Editor Rob: physically a women in her late 50's can still look probably late 40's to many if they keep fit and healthy and have good genes.

To some people the difference might not be as much when compared to the 57/71 difference.
Scott said on 8/Aug/16
The three most lied about heights seem to be 5' 10", 6', and 6' 4". I understand 6', but why the other two?
Especially 6' 4"? I see people who are barely over 6' 2" and they claim 6' 4". I mean, isn't 6' 2" enough?
And I can understand the appeal of hitting a minimum of 5' 10", but at least be close! People down around 5' 7.5" will claim it. The funny thing is though, solid 5' 10ers usually claim their real height.
I'm truly 5' 11.5", and I will self admittedly claim six feet. But cheating by a fraction of an inch vs. 2 or 3 seems fair.
Canson said on 8/Aug/16
@Truth: your statement is very accurate. People do think over 6'5" is too tall. You notice some 6'3 and 6'4 barefoot guys will claim 6'5" but rarely (maybe outside of a Hollywood celeb or pro athlete) do you see a 6'4/6'5 guy claim 6'6 or 6'5 guy claim anymore than they are
the Slav said on 8/Aug/16
@Johan
Lmao u killed me bro
Johan said on 8/Aug/16
bastian said on 7/Aug/16
@everybody
i'm new to this forum and i would like to know how do you view the height of 169 cm(5'6.6) barefoot for an adult man

Depends what country you live in really. Some countries have a 5'7" average others as high as 5'11". I would describe you as a short guy if someone asked.
Ice said on 8/Aug/16
@Peter179 LOL , youre a funny guy . Ive measured myself that way numberous times , yes , barefoot in the last couple of months and I went from 6'1.75 to 6'2 . I grew . But then again , I guess youre trying to troll me since Ive assured numberous times that I am in fact legit 6'2 . And yes these measurements where also afternoon .
truth said on 7/Aug/16
@tunman IRL though too tall is described as any male height over 6'5 by the majority of people. 6'2 is a common tall height in EU, maybe not average like 5'9, 5'10, 5'11 or whatever but still pretty common. Most people I know think tall range starts at 6'0 flat and 6'0 to 6'2 is a pretty common above average range and even 6'3 to 6'4 range is not a uncomfortable height. I just cringe every time a 6'1-6'3 guy (like Jackman in your case) tries to sell me this "I am too tall" BS to a 5'10 flat guy such as myself. Most likely it is an act of humility so they can get narcissistic praise because they are pretty much perfect height (tall but not too tall).
bastian said on 7/Aug/16
@everybody
i'm new to this forum and i would like to know how do you view the height of 169 cm(5'6.6) barefoot for an adult man
Editor Rob: it can depend on what country you live in.
gabrielle said on 7/Aug/16
what is the perfect height for a girl in your opinion? I find myself too short and I always wear lifts
Roy said on 7/Aug/16
Would people please not respond to Ice's comment's. Don't you see he's just trolling. Ice is probably Rick! The average height in Austria is 6"4..that's just retarded! Rick got pissed and changed his name to Ice and you all are replying like crazy. Ice is really only 5'6 or 5'7 and trolling for sympathy. It's sad!
Jimbo said on 6/Aug/16
Hey Rob these listing on your webpage are they midday heights or night heights?
Editor Rob: I'd generally say more like afternoon/lunch
the Slav said on 6/Aug/16
When I see a guy at my own height (183 cm) I sometimes mistake them for being 188 cm
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 6/Aug/16
Rob do you wish you were 6ft 1in or 6ft 2in would you be content if you were 6ft 1in or even 6ft 2in most men would mind being 6ft 1in 6ft 2in range if they were 5ft 7in 5ft 8in range 6ft 1in and 6ft 2in are not bad heights for men those heights are tall but not very tall men in the 6ft 1in and 6ft 2in range are taller than most women 6ft 1in men can look average if they have a stocky build but 6ft 2in is solid tall 6ft 2in men never look average not matter what build they have if me you and Tom Cruise were 6ft 1in life would be different celebheights probably wouldn't be here today if you were 5 inches taller or even 6 inches taller.
Editor Rob: it's hard to predict such things, but I may still have ended up doing a site like this.

The site only launched in 2004. Before that I had done all sorts of sites before adding a height one, so it was much further down my list of topics.
But this turned into a long-term and ongoing project.

There are always new celebrities, and always new people I might manage to meet and add to the site.
Johan said on 6/Aug/16
Morpheus said on 4/Aug/16
@Everybody

Lets all just start agreeing with Ice. It's the only way to address a troll without feeding it.

I disagree with you though Ice. I think the average for an Austrian is more like 190 cm than 187 cm. When I went to Austria, at 186 cm myself, I found myself being towered by every other man on the street. 190 cm is probably the average for Austrian men, but for the world it's a little less at probably around 188-189 cm.

Anyone else care to chime in in response to Ice?


Average height here in the Netherlands is actually 196 cm for a man and 183 cm for a woman...Ice would be smaller than most women here.
Verba said on 6/Aug/16
"6'2 is average for young austrians".."I think the average for austrians is 6'3"..

Lol this is borderline trolling now. NO, it's not the average for "young male austrians". You combine your insecurity with personal anecdotes and state them as facts.

Pretty sure this 'Ice' guy posts under several accounts here. People, don't feed the troll. Let him live in his weird little bubble which apparently only consists of checking other peoples height.
The Dark Knight said on 6/Aug/16
Hey Rob! I measured myself being 194cm right out of bed (Well actually 193.95 to be precise)... I drop to 191.05cm after a really hard day and on average days I drop to 191.55cm - So what height should I claim? I've been saying I'm barely 6'4 or a weak 6'4 but because my Shoes give me 3cm and the highest Part of my hair hits 199-200cm with shoes on, people think I'm Over 6'5 :O With this information, what would you List me as, if I had a celebheights page? :D
Editor Rob: I'd say you were probably similar to Gwendoline Christie, a solid 6ft 3 and changer who could look 6ft 4 to some people, or even more!

I think 'almost 6ft 4' still covers your height.
Ice said on 6/Aug/16
@NX I live in Austria ..
truth said on 6/Aug/16
@host I usually go for the middle measurement, not the highest or the shortest. You have to understand that Hamburg is like a sore thumb in Germany, because the average Germany is around 179 cm/5'10.5 nationwide according to statistics and 180 cm or 5'11 for younger folks. So it is possible due to the near proximity and very similar nationality of the people of Hamburg in relation to the Dutch their average could really be 6'1 for younger folks and 6'0.5 overall (it is around 6'0.5 in Holland) but again this measurement is a statistical outlier, just like 173-175 cm or 5'8-5'9 average in certain areas in Bavaria. But average in Germany really is 5'10.5/179 cm like I have said before and the same as in Poland, Slovakia, Austria, Belgium and Slovenia.
TJE said on 5/Aug/16
The Slav's got a point. It especially amplifies when you have a backpack or in mid-stride.

One day, I walked past an ex-profressor, who's a decent 176 guy, and he looked 183+.
Ice said on 5/Aug/16
@ NX no , Im 6'2" barefoot and 6'2.75" right out of bed .
Joe said on 5/Aug/16
@Justanotherguy
Nah, they were measured.

"Anthropometry measurements were obtained from 20,015 survey participants. The anthropometric measures included weight, height, recumbent length, circumferences, limb lengths, and skinfold thickness measurements."

@host
I also have that study paper. Yes Hamburg indeed is the tallest state (6'1 for young people), but remember Hamburg is a special state with a metropolitan area only. Because of this special condition, it's also the richest state by far in Germany ($55,542 per capita in 2008). In fact, the average height of Schleswig-Holstein, a state surrounding Hamburg, is just 5'11.3 (similar to Denmark and Sweden).

In addition, if you divide total sample size by ratio of urban area, number of cities, gender, and age groups, you will realise that the sample size of young people in each city is tiny (29 samples on average). In fact, there are quite significant fluctuations between neighbour cities (e.g. Cologne vs Essen). There are statistical errors especially in city data.
Peter 179cm said on 5/Aug/16
@ Ice I already know you're a troll,but i'll tell you this: the Austrian average height is quite similar to the German one,and German males off all ages average at 178-179cm and maybe 180 just for young guys( fully grown in their 20's).So if you still think the average Austrian guy is atleast 185-186 based on your estimations, then you really need to remeasure yourself.All you need is a flat wall an aerosol can/flat book a sharpie and a tape measure, that's all lol...But measure WITHOUT shoes this time.Take care...
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 5/Aug/16
Rob is it possible for people too grow 2 inches taller by hanging and stretching if their growth plates are closed people have grown between 1 inch and 3 inches from hanging and stretching those people who you mentioned on one of your videos didn't actually grow taller those testermominals are fake they stretched themselves in a those photos too think they have grown taller they tricked people has there any real grow taller testermominals out there.
Editor Rob: well a fraction increase is possible through improving the spinal alignment. If you are already fit and healthy there may not be any scope for improving that aspect.

There may also be a tiny fraction improvement if you take glucosamine tablets to help the cartilage.

I think some people may well have managed some increase but most of it due to maximising their spinal alignment and possibly improving the discs capacity to retain more fluid during the day.

There could also be an ongoing temporary boost - on a smaller scale to what happens with astronauts. If you spend enough time hanging and on an inversion table - and there are some who are doing 2 hours worth a day, it might push your discs to expand beyond their usual limit.
Canson said on 5/Aug/16
@the Slav @Tunman: both well said and thoughtful posts. 6'2 isn't an average height let alone 6'4. And Slav is right I can almost see the top of a legit 6'6 friend's head, but can't see over it. That's 1.5" difference. 6'2 is taller than at least 95% of the population. 6'4 is in the 99%ile. When I mention these I'm talking legit low measurements for both not a rounded morning measurement. But even a "legit 6'1" falls into the tall category (look at President Obama). And Obama I can even see falling under the mark based on the pics I've seen with he and Kobe and Steph Curry MWP etc. prob just slightly like 1/4" but it's still under
Aaron183cm said on 5/Aug/16
@Justanotherguy

Not true. The CDC statistics are measured. On page 8 it says under "Anthropometry Measures" they used a wall mounted stadiometer. Now, the time of day they did these measurements is another question. I doubt everyone was measured at their night low so its possible the average is inflated by 0.25" or so.
the Slav said on 5/Aug/16
Ice, I think you're misjudging the heights of the people you encounter.. actually once someone is the same height as you or even 5 cm shorter it can still look like they are taller than you. When I see a 185 cm guy I sometimes mistake him for being 190 cm because I can see the top of his head but I cannot see my own
NX said on 5/Aug/16
@ice come on dude im pretty sure you are trollin if you are not then you have serious height neurosis.

I am 5'9 and I do feel short at times here in uk and I do see women who are taller than me occasionally but that doesn't mean the averages are as high as you say they are. Sometimes I do feel shorter than I am but thats because I have short legs but most of the time I feel average because thats what I am.

I am not sure what country you are living in, Ice?
Wherever it is I am almost certain the average male height is not much more than 5'10 and as for the female height im sure its not much more than 5'4. Most people get times when they feel short but at your height (I think you said 6'1 barefoot?) the only place you shouldn't be feeling very tall is the scandanavian countries, the diniric alps and the netherlands but even there if you are really 6'1 you should be feeling a bit above average/tallish.

In the UK you would certainly be taller than the vast majority of people here, one of the guys at my work is 183cm tall and he is noticeably taller than the vast majority of men.
truth said on 5/Aug/16
@The man Exactly what I was saying before and it is the same in Slovenia, around 5'11" and 5'10"- 5'10.5" at worst if you include older folks who are only around 5'7.5"-5'8".
Tunman said on 5/Aug/16
@Ice
Again no offense,but your comments are very strange.in your July 24 comment you thought average was 5'11 for women and 6'4 for guys.Do you realize that a guy like Ibrahimovic at 194 towers almost all other players,same for Usain Bolt ?and remember these guys are compared to their sportsmen collegues so likely people over average.There were some rare situations in Vancouver this year or NY 2 years ago where I personally felt there was around 5-10% of girls taller than me and 70-75%of guys.But then at other times,more often actually, in those same towns it could have seemed like roughly 2%and 50%respectively.This is quite normal as I'm not 6'2 but only 5'9.55".It's possible to say 6'2 is common in austrian universities,but at worst it's borderline tall to simple tall.More than that it's hardly arguable.A good number of studies relied on self-reported heights and are obviously fake because people tend to inflate their height.Not a single one of these was even close to the 6'2 average whatever the country,let alone those with actual measurements
I think you're a little insecure about your height and the fact that you want to wear a 4cm shoe comforts me in my conviction.Well occasionally you may encounter rare situations where the 2-3 persons around you are taller than you but their number is way inferior to those where you're on the taller side.Also think that guys like Hugh Jackman or Andy Biersack complain for being too tall at 6'2...I reckon that's pushing things a little far but still,to say this one must definitely be comfortably over average not to embarrass himself.
host said on 4/Aug/16
@Ice

Perhaps there are many short persons in this thread, and they just want every one in the world to be as short as them. This is why they don't believe you when you tell them that you often see a large number of 6'3 people.
host said on 4/Aug/16
Some people here arguing there is no any regions in the world could be 6'1+ average? I think those people are trolling to themselves, or they never open their eyes to see the world.
Wiki had a research report in 2007 says 18-37 years old men from Hamburg is 185.6 averagely, I downloaded that PDF before the website removed this database. You should notice 18-37 are huge age difference and it was 10 years ago. If German government only measured 18 years old German boys from Hamburg now, their average height is definitely no less than 185 cm. And Hamburg is not the tallest city/region in this planet.

This thread has a lot of disgusting people only pick up the database that they "want to believe". If there is some short data, like 5'8-5'9 in a west country, they trust it as a king's order. But if there is some taller data/research demonstrates that 6'1 is average height in some certain regions, those people only judge that the data is flaw./wrong.

So double-standard!

You would better understand that not everyone live with short people. If you and people around you are a group of midgets, does not mean other ones have to be around short guys.
Canary said on 4/Aug/16
Tunman's height estimates seem reasonable to me. On the subject of national averages, the average white American man (20-39) is 5'10 while the average white American woman (20-39) is 5'5. The averages are based on MEASURED heights, and the averages are limited to non-Latino participants.
SportsHeight said on 4/Aug/16
Rob, based on the comments you see on the pages of individual celebrities, do the people on this site generally tend to agree with the heights you assign, or do they believe them to be slightly shorter or taller than what you have them at? If so, in which direction and by how much would you say? I ask because I'm curious as to how most of the people on this perceive specific heights relative to how you perceive them.
Editor Rob: I think if you have enough opinions on a celebrity, you can get reasonably close.

Through the idea of collective wisdom, the resulting average estimate might be within a fraction in a healthy amount of listings.

I don't think my guesses are much further from an overall opinion in a large amount of listings and I am considering that.

A lot of pages don't have enough opinion to eliminate the noise - by that I mean the bias that can exist towards celebrities, both in a positive manner (taller than they are) or a negative manner (shorter).

The height challenge was in part to see the effect of collective opinion with a more unbiased source (random people and non celebs so you would think any element of bias would be small): Link again.

I think the results overall were pretty good, but a few were a half inch off, but some were to within a few mm's.
James B said on 4/Aug/16
Rob do short guys not look as good with a lot of muscle mass compared to men over 6ft?
Editor Rob: it can make some guys look shorter.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 4/Aug/16
@Mark I found out about this website in 2004 but I didn't put comments on this website until 2006 almost 2 years after this website was created almost 1 year after Harry Potter Goblet of Fire was realeasd.
Morpheus said on 4/Aug/16
@Everybody

Lets all just start agreeing with Ice. It's the only way to address a troll without feeding it.

I disagree with you though Ice. I think the average for an Austrian is more like 190 cm than 187 cm. When I went to Austria, at 186 cm myself, I found myself being towered by every other man on the street. 190 cm is probably the average for Austrian men, but for the world it's a little less at probably around 188-189 cm.

Anyone else care to chime in in response to Ice?
Luca said on 4/Aug/16
Rob,my dad is more or less as tall as me,he'55 now.He measures exactly 191 cm out of bed and 188 cm after a very long day...How tall should he claim to be?
Editor Rob: since he had a good inch shrinkage, 189 wouldn't be too bad a claim.

188 if he never wants to feel like claiming a height he falls a fraction under.
The Man said on 4/Aug/16
Deann said on 2/Aug/16
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No way the average Austrian young male is 6'1", let alone 6'2". I don't know where you got that info from. Even average young Dutch men (from the tallest country in the world) are 6'0.5". Austria is only 5'11" for males aged 20-24. Look it up on Wikpedia.
Ice said on 4/Aug/16
@Tunman yesterday I was in a bar full of white people , with one woman beeing my height range (187.5 cm (lowest) - 190 cm(highest) , and the shortest man beeing 6 feet even . Literally almost every man was taller than me . Yes , some where shorter of course , however there were more men who edged me out / towered over me . no , this was not a tall people meeting , If so I would have had no reason to be there since Im not tall. there is no way the average for a austrian man is under 187 . Im not trolling. its just what I see in everyday life .
truth said on 4/Aug/16
@Johnson Thanks man, appreciate your feedback!
@Tunman I agree with your chart 100%
Canson said on 4/Aug/16
@Truth: none taken. But remember those numbers that the population is using come off of a drivers license. Anyone can and does put on the numbers they want from their. So yea I see what you are saying that it is for all intents and purposes the "official" number but a lot of licenses are tied to shoe heights not barefoot. but since we go off the "reported numbers" then I guess what you said is official. I'm just saying that in reality, the numbers are skewed.
(Unknown) said on 4/Aug/16
@Justanotherguy
Yeah, Rob has been saying US/UK average is 5'9"-5'9".5, so 5'10" being self reported makes sense.
Editor Rob: for the UK health survey, the participants were also asked their height before they ended up being measured. The self-reported height was of course taller amongst all ranges and increased a bit with older people because many are giving a height they thought they are and not realising they have lost height.
Deann said on 4/Aug/16
Rory said on 2/Aug/16
Lol 6'11 a perfect height ? Sort yourself out son.

@ Rory, every one can have his or her own perfect height standard. If a person thinks 175 is perfect height, and another one thinks 215 is perfect height.Both of them are fine, that is their own perspective.
Justanotherguy said on 3/Aug/16
The CDC Study is NOT MEASURED.

Click Here


So the average height in the USA for a white guy according to self-reported heights is 5'10.25.
Tunman said on 3/Aug/16
6'3 average for whites?and 6'11 perfect height?and people arguing whether some regions could be around 6'1+ in average?It seems this page has a lot of trolls more than anyone on this site no offense.
FACT 1:Average for young Europeans is 5'10 and 5'9 for the overall European average
FACT 2:90%of the alleged "scientific"studies are BS,for these main reasons:
a)the subjects aren't always measured sometimes just asked
b)no consideration is paid to the time of measurement (could be the least of factors though)
c)height gaps between one study and another could be up to 2" which is a joke
d)the sample chosen is not representative of the reality (small number/selective sample i.e:students with high life standards/both)
Now it's up to everyone to go on thinking otherwise that's their right,but I think most are fooled by the fact that tall people are always more noticeable than short ones.
Here is my opinion about averages for young people in Europe and keep in mind that I have absolutely nothing against any country just trying to be as objective as possible.
5'8:Portugal
5'8-8.5":Romania,Moldova
5'8.5":Albania
5'9:Spain,Bulgaria
5'9-9.5":Italy,Ukraine
5'9.5":France,Hungary,Russia,Belarus
5'9.5-10:Lithuania,Greece
5'10:Switzerland,UK,Ireland
5'10-10.5":Poland,Belgium,Latvia
5'10.5":Estonia,Slovakia,Germany(not counting refugees)
5'10.5-11:Slovenia,Finland,Austria
5'11:Croatia,Serbia,Denmark,Sweden,Norway,Czech Republic
5'11-11.5":Netherlands,Montenegro,Bosnia
It's possible that we have some parts of Netherlands averaging 6' and Dinaric Alps in the 6'0 or 6'0.5" range.
These are my guesses,imho they must be close to reality give or take a small fraction
Canary said on 3/Aug/16
People often mention height gaps based on education and income. Are these factors very important in the industrialized modern world?

There was a discussion about time. It's weird. There are times when 2000 seems like it was a year ago. There are times when it seems like a century ago.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 3/Aug/16
Rob is it possible for a 5ft 8in man too appear 2 inches taller than a 5ft 7in man and the same height as a 5ft 9in man with the right footwear.
Editor Rob: at times they will depending on posture and footwear difference. Wear converse vs wearing a cat boot and you have nearly 1 inch footwear difference...good posture vs loose and there is another 2cm...
Greg said on 3/Aug/16
Hey Rob,
Think I asked this again but most have gone through. Just a quick question so I wake up around 5'11 180cm and go down a fraction probably 179.7 or so but go to bed at about 5'10.5 most people don't question my 5'11 claim and think I'm that height if not taller, is it okay for me to claim 5'11?
Editor Rob: a half inch round up from your lowest isn't as much as a full inch...I think 'almost 5ft 11' covers your range
Johnson said on 3/Aug/16
@truth I agree with you. I am 176 cm and I am above average in Spain. In the street plenty of men of 5'7 and less. Youngsters, you have the typical 6'1 and 6'2 guys but many more of them are 5'8
Mark said on 3/Aug/16
@James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius - You're making me feel old and i'm only 30!! for me the last 10 years have whizzed by! quite scary that i'm now in between 20 and 40!

Years ago i was more worried about my height than my age though, but these days it's the other way around. Rob, i hope i look as well as you do when i hit the big 40!
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 3/Aug/16
Rob do you find to believe that 2016 is only is 16 years past the year 2000 I can remember the year 2000 like it was only yesterday do you remember the year 2000 even though celebheights was'nt even around yet.
Editor Rob: I remember 2000 vaguely, sometimes years become a blur. I went back to University around that time for a Postgrad degree so it was a turning point for me, but when I think - that doesn't seem long ago!
truth said on 3/Aug/16
@Canson No offence, but I think the US average is slightly higher than just 5'8-5'8.5. It was measured by CDC government as 5'9.25 for a good amount of the whole overall male population in 2007-2008, so that means lower 5'9 range and 5'8-5'10 would be considered average range in the US. I never claimed that 5'10 was average (it is upper average range in the US and 5'8 is lower average): Granted, 5'10.25 is also an average height, but that figure is from a smaller scale study done within the larger before mentioned CDC Government study and it is a figure for white guys aged between 20 and 40 years of age since (surprise, surprise) white males are the tallest demographic in the US . Now of course that does not take into account different ethnicities/nationalities under the white homogenous population, but that would be literally nitpicking so I don't know why Joe brings that up.
truth said on 3/Aug/16
@TheDude If you are going to falsely claim that I am 173 cm, at least have the audacity to argue why the studies from 2007-2008 for 9.200 women and 2013-2014 for 1.590 men between the ages of 12 and 70 are wrong. There are less participants, sure, but still enough to be considered a legitimate study.
Ice said on 3/Aug/16
ROB would you say that 189.5 cm in the morning is a high measurement ?
Editor Rob: it means you will be near 6ft 2 most of the day, so it is a comfortably tall height range in many countries.
truth said on 3/Aug/16
@TheDude I felt above average visiting Barcelona at a strong 5'9 back when I was 16 in 2009. So average in Spain in most places it is no more than 5'8 range and 5'9 range tops for younger people.
truth said on 3/Aug/16
@TheDude Once again you ignorant, I am 178 cm not 173 cm so solid average height.
Almost there said on 3/Aug/16
Hi Rob, if my eyeline reaches the lower half of my friend's eyeline and I stand 5ft 11.75 would my friend be around 6ft 0.5 or so?
Editor Rob: hard to tell but 2cm is more obvious with eyelevels than when you are within half inch.
Peter 179cm said on 3/Aug/16
@Ice The tallest documented average height in the world is around 6 feet, and that's including young Dutch men. And i doubt anyone would rather be over 6'5 unless they were basketball players or some sort of athletes,in that way.How oftenly do you see guys over 6'7 out in the street on an average day?...That's right,not that often.Do you really think guys that tall feel ok with their height?
Joe said on 3/Aug/16
@TheDude

>Third study

I'd like to pick up the third one first, because then easier to explain the second study later.
Firstly, the table you attached was not correct. I mean, the label and the data are not matching each other.

Secondly, the data were taken from Bilbao that is the north end of Spain. Very most likely, people in Bilbao are some of the tallest in Spain because of Bergmann's rule. Bergmann's rule is applied to all homoeothermic species including human beings, saying among same species, ones in colder weather tend to have bigger bodies compared to ones in warmer/hotter places, just like polar bears are the biggest bears. Foster and Collard (2013) tested this rule to human height, and concluded that at least in Northern Hemisphere this rule is applied to human body size also. So, this rule will likely apply to Spain too. Some of the tallest Spanish region has people 5'9.4 on average is scientifically not conflicting my argument (5’9) at all.

>Second study

Second study has all elements above I mentioned.

1) The data were collected in Andalucia, Barcelona and metropolitan area of Bilbao. Although Andalcia has likely shorter people in Spain, Barcelona And Bilbao (especially data in Bilbao are urban only) are likely taller than other areas because of the reason I explained above. So the data likely lean to taller side. (At least not representing the total population of Spanish people)

2) Again, the data between 18-24 are university students. And this time, the coefficient of variation shoes how the data samples between 1-17 and 18-24 are different. Have a look at the followings.

Coefficient of variation (CV)
15yrs 4.55%
15.5yrs 4.30%
16yrs 4.15%
17yrs 4.17%
18yrs 3.44%
Young adults 3.62%

I calculated them based on given data. As you can see, the CVs show difference of sample population between 17- and 18+. And this time, the odd jump-up can be seen between 18 and 18-24. I don't say the data are flawed, but it’s just clear that university students are different type of sample population when it's compared to the total population.

So considering the all issues above, I couldn't find any scientific reason to be against my post. I think 5'9 is fairly credible to represent the average young Spanish ‘nation-wide’ today.

If you want to argue your points again, I 'm happy to discuss with it. (but no more offence)
Joe said on 3/Aug/16
@TheDude

First of all, no personal attack plz.
It makes not only other ppl feel bad, but also you and your argument look less credible and legitimate. It's beneficial for no one. If you think your opinion is valid, then you have no reason to be overaggressive.

>I'm a smidgeon over 5'11" ( measured exactly at 184cm Afternoon time on my gentleman shoes ) and you are on the 173cm neighborhood.

So you measured your height with shoes? Why not taking them off and measure yourself again? Shoe height depends on shoes and their materials. I'm 5'10.5 barefoot ( last time at hospital), and my shoe height highly depends on my shoes (6'0+ with business shoes, 5'11.5-6'0 with casual shoes)

You showed 3 interesting studies. Thanks about it. I checked the original pdf briefly and I want to raise several issues.


>First study

The first study has 2 problems to back up your statement.

1) According to the paper, the sample data were taken in Madrid. Madrid doesn't represent the whole nation. Generally speaking, people in big cities tend to be taller. For instance, average height of all Germans is 5'10.5, and 5'11 for Germans in big cities according to a study by Institut für Rationelle Psychologie. Another example is Lithuanian conscript data 2005 showing the gap between total average and urban average is half inch. In Brazil, this gap is even one inch (Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatística 2009). You won't deny this rule shall also be applied in Spain. Though it's debatable 'how large' the actual gap would be.

2) There is an odd growth between 17 and 18 in this study. I made a graph for you have a look at the link below.

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Spanish teens had normal decreasing growth until 17, but they got sudden jumping up growth (4/5 inch) between 17-18 (red part). What do you think the reason would be?

A. Spanish people are actually master race Saiyans. So they grow differently.
B. Sample populations between 1-17 age group and 18-24 age group are different.

And the answer is B. As the paper described, the data between 18 and 24 were taken from university students. Again, generally speaking, University students tend to be taller because they are on average richer people (for example, Herpin and Nicolas 2003). Though the difference highly depends on the nutrition gap between wealthy kids and ordinary kids. Lithuanian conscript data says the average height of University graduates was 5'11.5 and Secondary school graduate was 5'9.7 on average. You are going to deny if I say this rule will only be excluded in Spain.

Considering those two issues, I don't see there is any "scientific" conflict between my argument and this study.
Canson said on 2/Aug/16
@Ice: you just explained in a great nutshell why everyone in society lies about their height. Because being tall is viewed as being positive by society. but A proper 6'0" is tall and that's coming from a 194cm guy. It doesn't look tall to most because the 5'10 guys you must hang out with claim 6'0". And no average height for a white male isn't 6'3" that's tall for any male regardless of race. 5'8 is the true average height maybe 5'8.5. 5'10 is the "listed" average height by the guys who claim shoes
Verba said on 2/Aug/16
Hey Rob,

What's your guess on the left guy (Youtube Channel: 'ThatWasEpic') here:

Click Here

He claimed to be "About 6'3". You said that Andrew Hales is probably more like 6'1. So the guy on the left should be 6'1.75" no?

Please respond.
Editor Rob: the guy on the left doesn't look that much taller...but he might be giving up a bit more height with the pavement, which looks like it might be favouring the right hand side of the photo and sloping slightly to the left.
TheDude said on 2/Aug/16
Hi "Truth"

I was expecting that one, that once you cannot deny the studies were done by measuring guys on their socks you would undermine its validity in another way like..Yeah it was done at 6am when they were still sleepy and uber tall.

Nonsense!
Face the truth, one of the studies even mereges various coetanous ones (between 2000 and 2008)
resulting in a total sample of 10k+ guys of al ages.
Even then the average is still 177cm and change, so it s hard to buy what you propose.

It certainly matches my experience, Im 184cm shoes on and by no means tallish, just above the average.
Given that you are 173cm on a good day you must experience a sensation of being clearly smaller than youn people on average.
truth said on 2/Aug/16
@french guy Most recent studies point out to a 177-178 cm French average.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 2/Aug/16
Rob do you find it hard to believe that Keanu Reeves Tom Cruise Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp are now in their 50s time must fly very quick in Hollywood I can remember when Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise were in their 30s it doesn't seem that long seems like only yesterday when Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise were in their 30s those two guys look exactly the same as they did in the 1990s they haven't aged a day since the 1990s they must have good genes both of them have aged differently to Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt Brad Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp don't look anything like they did in the 1990s those two guys unlike Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise have aged a lot since the 1990s not every Hollywood actor has good genes.
Editor Rob: they are all still looking decent, keanu and tom especially after turning 50.

Some men make it to mid 60's still looking like they are 50.
the Slav said on 2/Aug/16
@Ice
Eat your pills, mate
Deann said on 2/Aug/16
Ice said on 2/Aug/16
at times I think average for a white man is 6'3 ..

I think some certain groups, like young Austrian ( 18-20-year-old) may reach 6'1., 6'2 or taller. The average of whole White man may be around 5'9.

I deem young people are the tallest group.
ahmed said on 2/Aug/16
Hi Rob , is there any chance i could take a picture with you when you visit South Africa .Im 174 cm barefoot .
Ice said on 2/Aug/16
at times I think average for a white man is 6'3 ..
truth said on 2/Aug/16
@TheDude This was the study Joe was talking about (not me, but an another user under a different nickname, you shizoid). Kind of embarrasing I need to give you a link, since it is only 3 clicks away and you can find it on Wiki under the Human height article. Anyway, here it is:

Click Here

Well 177 cm maybe a morning measurement since we loose 2 cm during the day so 177 cm morning and 175 cm evening is more or less legit for young Spaniards. Just LOL loosing your temper for measly 2 cm.
truth said on 2/Aug/16
@TheDude Also I am 5'10 or around 178 cm nigh time (measured with an aerosol can), not 5'8 and this is the only nickname I use. I am taller than southern Europeans on average (5'8-5'9) but a bit shorter than northeners / balkan people on average, they are easily 180 - 185 cm or 5'11 - 6'1.
truth said on 2/Aug/16
@Ice LOL I love your troll posts.

@TheDude The 175 cm figure for male Spaniards was from a 2013/2014 height study so yeah...awkward !
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 2/Aug/16
Rob would it be bad if a 57 year old man dated a 71 year old woman think about it when she was 24 he was 10 if that was the other way round a 71 year old man dating a 57 year old woman nobody would care are older women younger men relationships really looked down upon more than younger women older men relationships I can't imagine older men younger women relationships being looked down upon.
french guy m said on 2/Aug/16
@truth
No the average height in France is really 180 cm , it s well documented
Rory said on 2/Aug/16
Lol 6'11 a perfect height ? Sort yourself out son.
Canson said on 2/Aug/16
@Bob: you got it right with that post! I have it on solid authority from two taller friends 6'6 and 6'7 that there is nothing good about that height unless you play pro ball and no women don't go for that. Most think they're 6'8 and 6'9 respectively especially with the way height is inflated in large quantities and frequencies. Hell I've been asked before if I'm 6'7 once even 6'8 (and regularly 6'5 or 6'6) when I'm 6'4 1/2 midday. With doorways averaging between 6'7 and 6'9 (some as low as 6'6) there is no positive about being 6'6 or above
Canson said on 2/Aug/16
you would have to be 6'5-6'11 to truly appreciate it. 6'5 flat isn't terrible (I wake up to it) but At 6'4.5 avg, I would take being only 6'3 over being 6'6 and def anything taller than that. I'd even take flat 6'3 over being 6'5.5 at my lowest (unless you are in flats you're over 6'6 in shoes at this point). 6'5 flat is about as tall as you could legit be to still have a "normal" uninterrupted quality of life. And push came to shove I'd even lose 1/2" and take 6'4 flat over 6'5 flat but to each it's own. I have 6'6" and 6'7" friends who I hear the stories from and hate it and wish they were my height (the latter even has gone as far and said he'd take being 6'2 and 6'3 before). Above maybe a flat 6'5" for a common person (a non athlete) is no good for anything but banging heads on doorways, having tight fits in vehicles, and tight fits on airplanes. It'd be an awful quality of life. The problem with much of this site is that "taller" Is viewed as more "superior" when it's nothing in reality.
Deann said on 2/Aug/16
@Ian C
When you mentioned "with about 300 other students in Grade 12", were they boys and girl? Or only boy? If 300 students were boys and girls, which means 2 out of 150 boys in Grade 12 were 200 +. It is high percentage.
Deann said on 2/Aug/16
@Ian C
When you mentioned "with about 300 other students in Grade 12", were they boys and girl? Or only boy? If 300 students were boys and girls, which means 2 out of 150 boys in Grade 12 were 200 +. It is high percentage.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 1/Aug/16
Rob i can't believe you gonna be 40 next month,Did you notice when you turned 30 40 was more nearer then you think,40 must have been like miles away when you were 20, I bet you will think about 50 when your 40 50 doesn't seem far away for you now your still a long way from 60.
Editor Rob: when you are 20, 30 seems a long time away. Similarly I remember turning 30 and that was a time on the site with Big G running amok, so it doesn't feel that long ago...in fact at 30 I wasn't quite with Jenny either, so we have been together like 9 years...when I think of that though, it seems a long time.

Maybe part of it (a bit like with Sookie) is if you spend a lot of time (jenny works at home too for last 4 years, before that part-time) you see a lot of someone, and if you do a lot of things, have memorable experiences, it feels like you achieve more.
Ahmed said on 1/Aug/16
Hi Rob what do you think the average height for a male is around the world .Im up to the impression its 5'8" - 5'10" .Whats your opinion?
Johnson said on 1/Aug/16
I am skeptical about mugshots. I am 175.5 cm at the moment of the picture

Pay attention, different angles can fool us. The marks in the wall are 180, 178, 175, 168, 165, 163


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NX said on 31/Jul/16
@rob

Do you believe that a persons body proportions can male them look significantly shorter than they actually are. Im 5'9 by the end of the day on the stadiometer but my inseam is only 30 inches and I think because of that it makes me look 10cm shorter than I am. Some people have guessed me as low as 5'5.
Editor Rob: yes, because shorter legs, greater widths, lower eyes, no hair, long head etc...all factors that can effect height.
Ice said on 31/Jul/16
@175 you seem to ignore the fact that its viewed very positive to be tall by society . And 6 foot is not tall .
truth said on 30/Jul/16
@NX There is an average 4.5 difference. I am 178 cm at worst and I have a 166-167 cm evening eye level which is bang on average difference between eyes and the top of the head. So a legit 195.5 cm evening person should have a 184 cm eye level, which is 6'0.5 or between 6'0 and 6'1.
Ice said on 29/Jul/16
on average the montenegrian men tower over the french ..
Ice said on 29/Jul/16
IMO , perfect height range for a guy is 6'5"-6'11" . Its good for a man to stand out who wants to be a average 6'0-6'2" guy .
TheDude said on 28/Jul/16
My point was...
When you hear about computer fans, you think of a squitn with a band-aid fixing HIS glasses.
No female contact whatsoever, they only meet ladies only and even then, they are dudes under an digital travesty disguise.

Now, back to 2016.
The computer geeks I met were guys displaying a high social status, many of them sported a muscle bound physiques,
same as the car fans showed just a few years ago ( yeah, the tuning maniacs, aka Tuneros).
They were cocky to the utmost extreme trying to block your pass at every chance, trying to guess who was the chicken and who would quit that little game on the aisles.
That was true even if the guy was a ( muscle bound) midget, but most guys were quite tall over a swelled average.
They carried their girlfriends to the event
Yeah, they were ugly in most cases, but their bodies were quite appealing ;)
Their femenine counterparts were their equal but according their own respective gender guidelines, that is , they didn't show status via aggressiveness,
they did so by remarking how suppossedly fertile were they according to their curves. Oh! Such a good match.

I hoped I had my explorer cap and a microphone with me , and played the white-sociologist of the early XX century game.
Yes translator, tell this simple soul that I want to meet his master!
TheDude said on 28/Jul/16
Third Study on Spaniard's height measurement.
This one is restricted to Bilbao only.
The Euskal Encounter takes place at Barakaldo's BEC ( Bilbao Exhibition Center).
As you might guess by the building's name, Barakaldo was engulfed by Bilbao long time ago.

ESTUDIO DE CRECIMIENTO DE BILBAO
CURVAS Y TABLAS DE CRECIMIENTO
(Estudio transversal)
C Fernández
H Lorenzo
K Vrotsou
U Aresti
I Rica
E Sánchez
Fundación Faustino Orbegozo Eizaguirre 2011

Página 7/38 en el pdf.

Características de la muestra
La recogida de datos se realizó en el período desde Noviembre de 2000 hasta Octubre de 2001, en una
muestra de 6.443 sujetos (3.496 varones y 2.947 mujeres) de edades comprendidas entre 0 y 18 años.
Su procedencia fue:
1. Recién nacidos (r n) de la maternidad del Hospital Universitario Basurto.
2. Niños de 1 mes a 3 años de consultas de pediatría de centros de salud, guarderías y centros de educación
infantil de diferentes zonas de Vizcaya.
3. En ladas edades posteriores en esculas públicas y privadas, así como institutos y centros de formación profesional de Vizcaya.

La elección de los centros se hizo por muestreo aleatori estratificado de modo que el conjunto fuera presentativo de la población de Vicaya.

Las medidas fueron realizadas por 3 equipos de 2 personas cada uno, previo entrenamiento con un medidor experimentado para el control del error
intraobservador e interobservador.

Página 11/38 del pdf
TALLA NIÑOS (cm) (sic)

EDAD n MEDIA DE P3 P10 P25 P50 P75 P90 P97 EDAD
..
....
17,5 a 117 176,69 7,09 164,16 168,43 172,68 177,32 181,88 185,92 189,84 17,5a
18 a 121 176,27 5,69 164,67 168,89 173,09 177,67 182,17 186,16 190,03 18 a
TheDude said on 28/Jul/16
Second Study on Measurements of Spaniards Height:

Estudio transversal español de crecimiento 2008.
Parte II: valores de talla, epso e índice de masa corporal desde el nacimiento a la talla adulta.

Carrascosa Lezcano A et al. Estudio transversal español de crecimiento 2008 (ParteII)

Página 3/18 en el pdf
La población de 0,25 a 18 años de edad estaba interada por niños escolarizados en centros públicos
y privados Andalucía (sic), Barcelona y el área metropolitana de Bilbao.

Las valoraciones de peso y talla fueron realizadas en ropa interior, descalzos y sin calcetines,
en decúbito supino durante los 2 primeros años de edad y posteriormente en pié.

Durante los primeros 2 años de vida el peso se midió con una báscula Secca con rago de lectura de 0,1 a 15kg
y un margen de error de 10g y la longitud con un tallímetro rígidio inextensible Añó-Sayol con rango de lectura
de 0 a 90 cm y precisión de 0,5 cm (población de Barcelona) y con tallímetro Harpenden precisión de 0,1cm
(población de Bilbao). Posteriormente, con básculas electrónicas con rango de lectura de 0 a 120g con un rango
de precisión de 100g y un tallímetro rígido inextensible de pared de 60 a 210 cm con un rano de precisión de 0,1 cm.

La población de adultos jóvenes de 18 a 24 años de edad estaba integrada por estudiantes de las facultades de
medicina ingeniería y arquitectura de Andalucía y Barcelona y lad e Zaragoza procedía de un estudio longitudinal
recientemente finalizado.

El peso y la talla fueron valorados por los mismos observadores y con la misma metodología e instrumental usados
en la población de 3 a 18 años de edad.

Página 4/18 en el pdf
TABLA 1. Talla (cm) expresada como media, desviación estándar y distribución percentilada (2-98) en varones

Edad Media DE
(años)
18,00 175,97 6,06
Adultos 177,33 6,42

(Dude's comment: Same table, but second partition, the one containing the percentiles )
Edad
(Años) p2 p3 p10 p15 p20 p25 p50 p75 p80 p85 p90 p97 p98
18,00 164,5 165,2 168,2 169,6 170.9 171,7 175,5 180,0 181,2 182,5 184,1 188,2 189,7
Adultos 165,2 166,0 169,2 170,8 171,9 172,9 177,0 181,4 182,6 184,0 186,1 190,3 191,4
TheDude said on 28/Jul/16
@Joe/Truth/TheDudley

Woah guy, you amaze me.
Haven't seen such a troll like you for ages!

The difference between you and me is that I don't offer (flawed) opinions but well research data, and yes on top of that,
educated guesses based on empirical observation, reason and that aforementioned data.

Well, to be honest, there are quite a lot of differences.
I'm a smidgeon over 5'11" ( measured exactly at 184cm Afternoon time on my gentleman shoes ) and you are on the 173cm neighborhood.

I talk to friends in real life and you talk to yourself under different nicks in this page (Sort of Gollum thing, add deranged hobbit to the troll mix, I guess).

I speak in a clear way and represent data thorough and accurately, you speak in a soapy way and misrepresent the truth as often as possible.

What I affirm not only represents my precise experiences and observation , it is backed up by science.
If someone doesn't believe me, the only thing they have to do is to search the for the publicly available data, since I'll release the names of the studies.
The only thing you have to have with you is a broadband connection and a browser you can do it using your PC, your comfy sofa and your fiber access,
the beggard that bugs you everyday can do it using his mobile phone and the nearby MacDonald's connection. Everybody can do it!!!

First Study:
(Page nº may not match since this might appear under different editions, so maybe the location does not match but the data are the same!!)

Valoración del peso, talla e IMC en niños, adolescentes y adultos jóvenes de la Comunidad Autónoma de Madrid.
(Elsevier Anales de pediatría. Disponible en Internet el 5 de agosto de 2010 / 3.055 mujeres y 3.048 varones)

Página 2/15 en el pdf
Conclusiones: En resumen, los datos de referencia que ofrece el estudio español de crecimiento de 2008 son
aplicables en la Comunidad Autónoma de Madrid.

Página 4/15 en el pdf.
Tabla 2 Vores (sic) de la media aritmética y desviación estándar de peso, talla e IMC en hombres.
Talla Media Desviación
aritmética estándar
..
...
Edad 18 177,6cm 5,9cm
Edad Adultos 178,0cm 6,3cm

Página 5/15 en el pdf.
El total de valoraciones efectuadas fue de 6.463 (3.055 mujeres y 3.408 varones) correspondientes a un muestreo
por conglomerados entre los colegios y universiades de la Comunidad Autónoma de Madrid estratificado por edades y
seso: a) niños/as y adolescentes de 3 a 18 años ...

Página 5/15 en el pdf, siguiente párrafo
Las mediciones fueron determinadas por un único observador, primer autor de este trabajo, utilizando siempre
el mismo material instrumental. La talla se valoró en bipedestación y descalzos con un tallímetro inextensible
transportable , rígido, adosado a la pared con un intervalo de 60-210cm y precisión de 0,1cm.
La técnica para su valoración se realizó con el sujeto pegado a la pared con 4 puntos de apoyo: occipucio,
hombros, nalgas y talones; con la cabeza horizontal y mirada la frente respetando la línea Frankfurt (extremo externo
de la hendidura palpebral en el mismo plano que el orificio del CAE).

Página 6/15 en el pdf.
Tabla 4 Distribución percentilada de talla en varones
Edad p2 p3 p10 p15 p20 p25 p50 p75 p80 p85 p90 p97 p98
..
...
18 165,4 165,6 169,4 172,6 174,4 175,0 177,7 181,0 181,7 182,7 185,3 188,1 189,4
Adultos 164,8 166,4 170,1 171,9 172,5 173,2 178,0 182,6 183,5 184,6 186,9 189,2 190,0
Canary said on 28/Jul/16
@The Dudley: People are interested in the heights of other people who are similar to them. Many or most of the people, who regularly post here, are white. That's why they're interested in the heights of other white people. Almost all of them are guys too. That's why they're not interested in women's heights.
Bob said on 28/Jul/16
In Canada the average height is very low from my observation. 6'2 + is rare here, unless you're walking through the athletic department at a university. For every 6'2 guy there is like 25 or so 5'9 - 5'11 guys to match him. It must be the same for the U.S.A. Perhaps Germany and the Balkans and the Netherlands etc are taller but I don't buy this "6'2 is average here" bullcrap. In my high school there were a few Serbians / Bosnians / Croatians, perhaps 10 of them, none were over 6'1 with the exception of one guy. The rest were 5-foot-something.
Bob said on 28/Jul/16
Anything in between 6'1 and 6'3 is tall(ish)

Somedays you will be the tallest in the group, some other days you will feel only slightly above average. It depends. Schizophrenics like Ice only focus on the negative.

Anything in between 6'1 and 5'3 is NOT "head-turning" tall, but "comfortable" tall. No girl will ever reject you for this height, like they do to 5'5 guys. So why are we still arguing about this? Being 6'6 isn't going to improve your life.
Joe said on 28/Jul/16
@truth
Thanx for your agreement.

Yes, Germany is a very interesting place having various average height geographically. There is a study in 2008 measuring German body size across the nation. showing taller in North, shorter in South, taller in West and shorter in East.

The shortest state was Thuringia(South East) whose average body size was exactly the same size of Spanish people (5'9 for young generation, 5'7.5 overall), and the tallest state was Hamburg(North West) with 6'1 for young generation and 5'11.5 for overall generation. Bavaria is 5'10/5'8.5 and NRW is 5'10.5/5'9. Germany almost covers Europe's whole height range. So different state must give completely different impression of German's height.
Joe said on 28/Jul/16
@Josh
I checked the data provided by Imperial College, and tbh, I felt the research they did has serious flaws. Basically they just took height data from WHO database including self-reported and measured height (w/o shoes) of various age groups, without any examinations.

As far as I can confirm, Dutch data is self-reported height of (very most likely) 20-49 age group (same data of what OECD has, originally coming from EU citizenship cards). Norwegian data is self-reported height as well of unknown age group (which is a same data source of OECD, likely from EU citizenship cards). Many other continental European countries' height also seems to be self-reported data collected from EU citizenship cards (of various age groups w/o shoes), because many EU countries public institutions don't measure citizen's height unlike UK/US, and the citizenship cards&passport are often the only approved data sources.

the UK data is measured barefoot height provided by HSCIC. the US is also measured barefoot (though US hospitals are not 100% doing so) height by CDC. The other type of cases is Japanese height, being measured barefoot data of 12th grade kids, so still growing.

Tbh, I feel shocked that such a prestigious hard-science university did this kind of statistically flawed misleading research. Without examining each data, we can never conclude which country grows more or less (maybe they are seeing measured barefoot height 20 years ago and self-reported shoe height today and saying "this nation has grown dramatically", but reality is no change). And it's not a scientific attitude to punish precise data and praise unreliable data.
Johan said on 28/Jul/16
James said on 25/Jul/16
@johan
If I'm not mistaken you're from the Netherlands. Am I right?

Yes James I am.


That elife study that Josh posted was all over the news here a couple of days back.

The response from many was confusion, Only 182 cm??? surely not. Like has been proven over and over people are out by 3-4cm nowadays.

Doesn't surprise me either really about Belgium, I work there and even although it has been reported many times that the average guy is 179 cm I have been noticing lately that they are getting taller as well.

What many people forget about Belgium is that 7 million of its population are Dutch speakers while only 2 million are French speakers. Rest of the population is foreign but not really in any great numbers compared to the French speakers.

What I mean is Vlaanderen is very much like the Netherlands, so what ever reason has caused our rapid growth obviously would affect them far more than any other countries in the vicinity.
truth said on 28/Jul/16
@french yeah lool I do not trust those studies. French are 177-178 cm, Belgians 178-179 cm, Swedes about 180-181 cm and Montenegrins 182-183 cm.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 28/Jul/16
Rob now that your nearly 40 does 20 seem a long time ago too for you,When you were 30 did 20 like only yesterday for you and 50 isn't too far away for you since your pushing 40.
Editor Rob: it does seem a fair while ago. Remember, we do evolve - the person you are at 20 can be quite different in interests, knowledge, skills or personality than at 40.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 28/Jul/16
Rob what is the biggest shoe size you have seen on a man i have seen a man with size 15 feet once or twice.
Ian C. said on 27/Jul/16
I'm six foot four (oh so I was measured in a doctor's office in 1970), and in Canada in the seventies guys my height were fairly common. When I was in university and living in Student's Res (as we called it then) on a floor with forty-nine other guys, there were two other guys who were six four, and at least ten who were more than six feet. (I think I was the thinnest guy on the floor though. Also the most obnoxious.) Interestingly, we had only one guy who was obese, even though daily gluttony was everybody's standard protocol.

When I was in high school (with about 300 other students in Grade 12), I was tied for tallest boy with four other guys. In a previous year, we had had a boy who was six foot seven, and who subsequently grew to be six foot nine, and played college football in the States.

I think on most days (in Canada) I will see at least one other man who is as tall or taller than me, and if I go to a shopping mall on a Sunday and walk around, I will always see several men my height.

But go to Mexico. Tall Mexicans are very rare, and when I worked on a student project in a rural Mexican village in the early seventies, the locals regarded me with the same awed curiosity that I might show somebody who was six foot nine.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 27/Jul/16
Rob is 5ft 9in a height between short and tall 5ft 9in is the start of average height for men in the UK and USA but 5ft 10in is strong average height 5ft 9in men can look short at times if they have a stocky build but 5ft 10in men not matter what build they have never look short.
Editor Rob: 5ft 9 can certainly look short in situations, but it depends on the crowd of people.

Overall though from what I've seen I still say the UK average feels about 5ft 9-9.25 range.
french guy said on 27/Jul/16
@josh

i have looked the studies, go at figure 4, according to this height ranking beligum are the second tallest, the french are taller than swedish and
Montenegrin
Seriouqly?
Belgium are actuallt even not in the top 10, it's not because they are neighbors of the netherlands that they have to be tall.

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