General Height

Please use this page as a 'free for all' to talk about height in general. Stuff like average heights in countries, how height affects your job and how people perceive height etc or any suggestions for new heights or height quotes you find for stars not already added to the site. If you want to request a height to be added mention it on this page.
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roy said on 4/Dec/16
@Nik, the average short is the old rick and he sometimes uses my screen name Roy. He is always on here saying he's 5'10 but all men and most women are taller than he is. Always asking rob why he may measure incorrectly. He is clearly looking for some answers or attention. Just got to ignore it for the most part.
abc said on 3/Dec/16
i am 15 and 5'8{172 CM}. i live in India.Is it a good height for me
Mathew Robinson (190 cm) said on 3/Dec/16
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 25/Nov/16
Rob is 6ft 3in a height where you not going too see any women taller than you and the same height as you at 6ft 3in you pretty much taller than 99.9% of every woman in public your pretty much the very tall guy maybe in airports men in the 6ft 3in range much see women close too their height but never taller and the same height as them.

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This is true, it is extremely rare for me to see any women taller than I am (at kind of a weak 6'3"). It's not so rare to see a few 6 foot woman in a very crowded place, but 6'3"+ is really rare. And I don't think I've ever seen a woman more than about 3 inches taller than I am, so in that very rare instance that a woman is taller, it's not by too much.
Leonardo 1.73m said on 3/Dec/16
Average male height worldwide: 168cm
World average height for Young males (20-30 years old):170.5cm
Young Europeans:5'9.5 (5'8.5 for all ages).
Young Africans: 5'6
Young Asians: 5'5.5
Young Latin Americans: 5'7
Young Americans: 5'9.5
Kourosh 5'9.5 (176cm-177cm) said on 3/Dec/16
@slav
they are plenty of times that you feel short at 5'9 to 5'10.

they are handful of girls who are at your height or even taller. it is not that good height but not that bad either i call it grey zone.
Greg said on 3/Dec/16
@Nik I would probably go with a 5'7 claim.
Giorgi said on 3/Dec/16
@Nik It must depend on what time you go to bed but in general 171.3 cm at 6 pm seems like a good 171 to me. I am 182, maybe slightly more at 6 pm and sometimes go to bed at 4 am but usually retain that height until about 1 am but right before bed I'm 181.5 cm. Though I'm a weak 182, you must be strong 171. Anyway, check when exactly you continue to drop in the evening and your total range of fluctuation.
Josh66 said on 3/Dec/16
when I measure myself immediately after waking up I'm a tad over 6'2 (188.2) and in the evening I'm about 186 which height should I claim?
dementos said on 3/Dec/16
I am having trouble understanding why some women wear high heels. Can someone give me a clear understanding?
Editor Rob: dementos, there is a variety of reasons.

Fashion, trends, enhancing the shape of your legs to be more attractive and of course looking taller.
Wide Receiver said on 3/Dec/16
@The Average Short
Are you American? I can't imagine a ton of 5'9"-5'10" women running around. A friend of mine is 5'10"(Barefoot) and she stands out wherever she goes.
Gaza2121 said on 2/Dec/16
Rob, how accurate would you say your site is, 90%? More?
Editor Rob: Gaza, it's still all estimations. The listings aren't static, I'm always trying to figure out a best estimate.
I think a high percentage might be within half inch of what they'd measure.
Canary said on 2/Dec/16
I have a question to anybody. What's the biggest "height surprise" that you've ever seen? Someone claims to be much shorter or much taller than they really are, and they are shocked when they are measured. I measured a 4'11 girl who claimed to be about 5'2.
Canary said on 2/Dec/16
@vg: Thanks for the replies and the links. I'm not sure that I completely understood your posts, which were a tad confusing at times. I THINK that I understood your main points. I agree with your definition of "tall". It's based on percentiles and statistics, which might be different than perceptions. I notice that the ordinary white American woman, in her twenties, is close to 5'5 now (based on one chart). I collected my statistics from a medical site, by the way. Unfortunately, the height percentiles weren't divided by race.
HonestSlovene said on 2/Dec/16
@the Slav yup pretty much, and it is 178.8 cm or 178.5-179 cm range for 18-30 y.o.
Nik said on 2/Dec/16
Rob, if I am 171.3 cm at 6 pm in the evening what height should I claim ?
Nik said on 2/Dec/16
@the average short

What country do you live in ?

You say you are not tall enough in previous posts and now say you are 5'9.5 - 5'10.0 evening height. You must live in tall country or an area with a lot of tall young people. This height is a good height.
Michael MO said on 2/Dec/16
What's the difference between a weak 5'10 and strong 5'10 and a flat 5'10?
berta said on 2/Dec/16
ROb could you ad mike o hearn. i think many people would like to know his height. my guess is 6 foot 3
Michael MO said on 2/Dec/16
@vg so if you consider 5'6.5 tall for a female would you say 5'10.5 is for a male? I would say 5'11.5 is start of tall
Michael MO said on 2/Dec/16
@the average short what is your exact night height?
the Slav said on 2/Dec/16
White American young males seem to be the same height as the European dittos. It's basically the same ethnicity as well so it makes sense
theonewiththecontacts said on 2/Dec/16
Hi Rob,
I'm 186 cm in the morning, after a relaxed day at home I'll be 185 on the dot, but after a long day with exercise and standing straight I'm usually between 184.7-184.1... Which "height category do I fall into, and what height should I claim? Bonus question: do you think I would have edged a peak Alan Rickman?
Thanks in advance!
Editor Rob: I think you may well have been a similar range to Alan, I'd still call you a weak 6ft 1, 'almost 6ft 1'.
vg said on 1/Dec/16
@Canary Also, the CDC Height for Age Percentiles Calculator I'm thinking you're using is basing the results off of the year 2000 statistics, thus the PDF I'd linked you the first time should be more reliable as it's based on 2007-2010 measurements.
vg said on 1/Dec/16
@Canary And just in case you retort with an inch not being difference enough for 6' 1.5" and 6' 2" to move-on to "upper tall." Well, there comes a point perception kicks in and we always gotta draw the line. 6' 0.8" to 6' 2" is actually an inch and a fifth. Let's say somebody told you today's average male height stood between 5' 9.5" and 5' 10.5". Supposedly you agree. Now, remove an entire 1.2 inches from 5' 9.5". Would you have agreed if the person mentioned 5' 8.3" instead? You might've, yet chances are higher you wouldn't have been as sure. That's perception - you always gotta draw the line somewhere.
vg said on 1/Dec/16
@Canary And judging by the graphs in my previous comment that'd also rule out younger white American men as tall toward the 185 cm (6' 0.8") line //imposing the 83rd percentile. That's the difference - 6' 0.5" to 6' 0.8" (184 to 185) would be regarded tall for an adult male; while 6' 1.5" or even 6' 2", that'd be pushing it. Such heights are almost 10 cm above the average (for males) -- and that's humongous. So that's actually the difference I'd clarified between 5' 6.5" and 5' 7.5" women magnified; another reason why the 90th percentile would be viewed as something more than just tall.
Giorgi said on 1/Dec/16
Rob, when measuring celebrities do you give them advantage for a bad posture? For ex. someone like Walter Mattheau could probably add on an inch and a half with a decent posture.
Editor Rob: yes Giorgi, it is something to watch for. In stills sometimes posture (good or bad) isn't quite as obvious as in films/videos or in person.
vg said on 1/Dec/16
@Canary I believe tall would define a 169 (5' 6.5") stature, keeping in mind these 4 pages --

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"5'7: lower tall; 5'8: upper tall" would purport a 5' 7.5" tall stereotype which given all odds, would fall in the 90-95th percentile gap (implicating from the aforementioned links). That's like saying men below 6' 1.5" or even 6' 2" aren't tall, again - reasoning out from the above. Which's a bit of a chancy claim, keeping in mind the definition of tall wouldn't account for any extremes. So, I'd say tall can easily be estimated in the 1 out of 6 person proximity, thus - the 83rd percentile. And that would mean about 5' 6.5" (169 cm) for "white American women younger" judging by the charts.

(For anybody wondering -- I'm not a 169 female; simply stating my opinion.)
Canary: said on 1/Dec/16
@Mr. T Black: It's more complicated than that. It's true that Dutch and Scandinavians tend to be tall while Portuguese and Sicilians tend to be short. I'm keeping these comparisons in Europe for the sake of simplicity. Some of that difference is down to genetics, but not all of it. Environment still plays a role in height differences. There was a time when Dutch men and Dutch women were the SHORTEST people in Europe. The ordinary Dutch girl then was much smaller than the ordinary Indonesian girl now. That shows that environment often is as vital as genes when determining height.
Hafeez said on 1/Dec/16
Hey Rob :
is shoe size 10.5/11 big for a 5'8.25 tall guy ?
Editor Rob: Hafeez, if American 10.5/11 then yes it is still quite a big foot size for 5ft 8 range.
the average short said on 1/Dec/16
I dunno if its just me but its not rare to see a lot of dudes 6 foot or over. Im 5'9.5 to 5'10 evening height and I feel short a number of times when im out and even see a lot of women my height and taller.
Johnson said on 1/Dec/16
Van der Sar at 198 towers everybody in the Netherlands so even in the land of giants 195 cm and over is too tall. I don't mean we usually bump into lanky giants in the streets there around that height
grizz said on 1/Dec/16
What is your opinion on which height is the best for a guy who lives in a country where 181 cm is average height? By best I mean tall enough not to be ever called short, yet not strikingly tall that you stick out in a crowd?
James186cm said on 1/Dec/16
Rob,
How accurate are height chart/backdrops are (like the kind you see in mugshots, police lineups, and some of the photos here on celebheights)? I made markings on a wall at home in the same vein as this and would like to know how accurate this method is in measuring height.
Editor Rob: James, if the markings were behind you, then it might not be quite as accurate as if the marking was side-by-side to your face.

Generally since my own head is about 9.5 inch range, that's a ruler in the photo, sometimes it might be near 10 or near 9 depending if I tilted head up/down a fraction.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 1/Dec/16
Rob should height gain surgery be recommended for men that are 5ft 5in and under and women that are 4ft 11in and under weight loss surgery is recommended for people who have a bmi of 40 and over should height gain surgery be used the same way as weight loss surgery.
Editor Rob: Maximus, I don't think we should be recommending surgery unless the person is really in a drastic state, where the extra few inches is an absolute mental necessity.
the Slav said on 1/Dec/16
Ice said on 29/Nov/16
@C-Mo Ive prob already seen around 10 guys in Vienna that where 210 cm + ..

Bruh really, you're even more delusional than French guy
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 30/Nov/16
Rob is 5ft 10.5in is the start of tallish for men end of average height once men get too the 5ft 10.5in range they start too the shed the average height look and transition into the tallish look most short women and average height women will think men who are 5ft 10.5in are tall men that height in the right footwear like timberland boots can pass for 6ft 0in.
Editor Rob: Maximus, it's the low rung of tall....it's knocking at the Tall Men's door, but whenever the guardian answers, he takes a look and says 'come back when you grow another inch'.
Miguel said on 30/Nov/16
Hello Rob. I was wondering if you have any tips on how I can tell if somebody is the same height as me.
Editor Rob: Miguel, usually if you can look them in the eye, that's a great sign...of course the closer some people get to eyelevel, sometimes it can be tricky telling if they are taller/shorter!
Peter 179cm said on 30/Nov/16
@ Wide Receiver It depends on the country,180cm would be solid average in North Europe and above average/tallish in South Europe while 182cm will be tallish and tall respectively.But generally speaking,179-180cm is nowhere a short height,even in Netherlands it would be about average.
Mike5,10 said on 29/Nov/16
Rob 180cm in the morning and 179.2 in the afternoon
Can I call myself 5,10.5 ? I'm 178.5 at night low low
Editor Rob: Mike, you could claim 5ft 10.5...at worst a little fraction under, so go with that.
MrTBlack said on 29/Nov/16
Hey Rob I'm gonna try again with my question.

I was arguing with my co-workers if height was mostly determined by genetics or lineage(meaning ancestors come from Sweden etc) and I debated that ancestry was a bigger factor because my friends and who are Scottish,Germanic or Scadinavian were generally taller than the guys who were of Asian, Mexican, and Southern European Decent(We'll say for the question the shorter Europeans were Italian,Spanish, and Armenian).

Thanks.
Editor Rob: MrT, your genes come from your parents and an element of randomness. It is a complex subject that involves lots of genomes that might influence height.
HonestSlovene said on 29/Nov/16
@MrTBlack That is a well known simple fact that genetics/hereditary lineage/race tends to play the biggest factor and actual lifestyle/diet/sleep can only affect one's height within 5-6 cm tops. So on average certain ethnic groups are taller than others: While you can certainly find a Japanese man/men taller than say a German man/men, on average you will still see most Germans over 5'10" (average is 5'10.5") and most Japanese will be under 5'8" (average is 5'7.5"). Don't forget also that Slavic people (Poles, Serbs, Croats, Czech, Slovenes and Slovaks) tend to be pretty tall as well, not just Germanic people/Scandinavians.
Ice said on 29/Nov/16
@C-Mo Ive prob already seen around 10 guys in Vienna that where 210 cm + ..
Michael MO said on 29/Nov/16
@wide receiver I would ageee with that. Although I say 5'10.5 night is start of above average range. At that height you should be like 6 foot in shoes during lunch time
Nik said on 29/Nov/16
Rob, what are your tips for measuring yourself ? It is not easy because it is difficult to know exactly where on the wall is level with the crown of your head. Does it make any difference whether you measure yourself in a room with a carpet or one without a carpet ?
Editor Rob: Nik, avoid carpet, find a tiled, hardwood, linoleum floor that looks flat. If you can hold a can roughly near the centre of your head you should get a small margin of error.
MrTBlack said on 29/Nov/16
Rob, so I was arguing with my co-workers if height was mostly determined by genetics or lineage(meaning ancestors come from Sweden etc) and I debated that ancestry was a bigger factor because my friends and who are Scottish,Germanic or Scadinavian were generally taller than the guys who were of Asian, Mexican, and Southern European Decent(We'll say for the question the shorter Europeans were Italian,Spanish, and Armenian).

Thanks.
Redwing said on 29/Nov/16
I really want to measure myself haha, I just don't have the equipment(tape). I've seen pictures of 5'11ers with 6'2ers and I think im a tad bit taller than 5'11. Few years ago I was 5'11 and I don't really look short by 6'2ers
Editor Rob: redwing, tape measures aren't dear. Every pound/dollar store should have one.
Giorgi said on 29/Nov/16
In that case, Rob. 5'8" must be too much of a downgrade for you. Well, it's easy too remember and you probably acknowledged posture imperfection as well but technically you are a pretty solid 5'8.25"and would probably pass off as 5'8.5"" during a day.
Thomas6ft1 said on 28/Nov/16
Hey guys, what colors (of your clothes) do you wear? I wear red and black mostly and a little white or grey.
Wide Receiver said on 28/Nov/16
If a Man can hold onto 5'10".75 - 5'11"(barefoot) at night(lowest) than he's in the above average/tallish range, hold onto 5'11".5(barefoot) at night(lowest) than he's in the tallish/tall range.
Giorgi said on 28/Nov/16
Rob, what's your morning and before-bed heights in cms?
Editor Rob: Giorgi, the last time I checked (using tape measure and can for absolute accuracy) I was 174.9cm first thing and 173.1cm at 10pm.
Ice said on 28/Nov/16
@Grizz Im 188 cm at my lowest now , I grew a little .
Greg said on 28/Nov/16
@Matt179 tbh I feel you on 5'11 being a solid height, almost 6 foot and good for bodybuilding, plus you are still taller then the majority of women. Most people currently crawling up your ass because you are rounding up your height lol. So you're 180 morning? Kind of like me with 179 and change being my ultimate low. Honestly if you got the right proportions you can get away with it. I always get guessed as 5'11/6'0. And 6'1-6'2 is a great height if you can fill out your frame I also wish I was that height bro so I feel you. And yeah honestly 6'1 is on the taller side though.
Michael MO said on 28/Nov/16
Where I am from almost everyone claims their height in shoes and it makes sense because 90% of the time and especially when we meet and talk to people we are in shoes.
Matt179 said on 28/Nov/16
Im 179cm miday. I just say im 5foot11 and everyone dont question this. In my opinion the perfect height for a man is 6foot to 6foot1. Above 6foot1 you look lanky and slim. under 6foot, your average. I always wish i was 6foot1, your taller than most men, you got the most choice for women, not too tall not too short.
Greg said on 28/Nov/16
@Michael MO not too sure I forget the model but they are white and blue. I also got a pair that's black and white think those are called "lunaglide 6" they give a nice height boost and with a small lift they can actually make you a decent amount taller ( I don't wear a lift in mine)
Greg said on 28/Nov/16
@ice mate you've got to be kidding me lol, if you are 6'2 and built like Ronaldo even if you aren't the most good looking you should be able to pull. No I don't just say things that I come across on the net. The net and media is filled with bs, for the most part and their information tends to mislead readers. I feel like the issue for you might be coming from lack of confidence,you might have some insecurities which you have to try to over come and or you just might not be trying to your full potential. I'm 21, 3 inches shorter then you and I've had plenty of girlfriends/friends with benefits. although personally I'm not after a relationship at the moment due to so many bad experiences of girls constantly lying, cheating and so on so on. I have 2 6'3 friends one of which literally looks like a squid I mean he's a good friends of mine but it's the truth lmao and he has girls all over him 24/7, currently has a new gf, he's always in and out of relationships he's lanky af doesn't even workout much yet if he was a bit shorter I'm sure he'd still pull but he wouldn't get as many. And another friend isn't the best looking, but better looking then the previous 6ft 3 friend. he also has a beard but he rocks the whole gauges/Emo scene type look that the majority of girls like around here, plus his height gives him a nice edge. Sure shorter guys who are really attractive could pull and I'm not saying looks don't matter but they aren't everything trust me just taller guys have it a little easier, especially good looking and tall guys win the crowd but Just keep your head up your dream girl should be around..
Peter 179cm said on 28/Nov/16
@ sam You're probably almost 181cm so a decent/strong 5'11 barefoot.
sully said on 28/Nov/16
@nik,@ramses , thanks for the 175 cm night is not short .Id say i feel average maybe 75 percent of the time and short maybe 25 percent of the time , im still young though and may grow a little more , fingers crossed im hoping for 177cm at night .Thanks.
Greg said on 28/Nov/16
Yeah honestly I agree,179/180 is a pretty good height. Although not exactly the ideal male height but still pretty valuable. Especially around a 180ish night time height. You can fill out when weightlifting and have decent proportions for the most part ( not me haha)
Nik said on 28/Nov/16
@Sully

For the youth you are on the lower side of average. For 40-80 year olds I would say you are above average in my opinion, but I am not sure. Yeah I think you are about average overall.
Ramses said on 28/Nov/16
@C-mo superb description. I totally agree that when most people say the most ideal male height is 187-188cm or 6'2", they actually have 184-185cm in mind. Some men lie about their height, causing others to get the whole thing skewed.
@ice: 175cm short? what're you saying man?. it's on the lower side of average but definitely not short. It's a height where you hardly get any attention from people and if a guy at that height is good looking, I don't think women in general would reject him
the Slav said on 27/Nov/16
@Ice
175 cm is short in the Dinaric alps
Michael MO said on 27/Nov/16
Is it common for a 16 year old male to grow an additional 2 inches until adulthood
Michael MO said on 27/Nov/16
@sully you are average for the generation of 40-80 but for the youth you are on the lower side of average.
c-mo said on 27/Nov/16
@Ice . no not at 6'8 but taller than 6'8 . at 6'9 and over it is possible that you will never see a guy taller than you in your life except you are someone who travels a lot to different places and are outside among people more than average people are . but even at 6'7-6'8 you will rarely see a guy taller than you . such heights are still not common anywhere

@Sully . thanks bro :D

I think it is safe to say these things :

if you are shorter than 172cm at your lowest/night height then you are short for sure . around 167 - 171/172cm is the typical short male you see daily . common height and wont get stares of anything but it is short

if you are 172-174cm at your lowest/night height you are below average but not in the legit short range yet . people wont be noticing your height much and you will look average to many people. even though maybe 172cm could be already the start of legit short

if you are 175cm at your lowest/night height you are starting to be in the average/medium zone and you are not short anymore for sure . decent height but you wish you were at least a little taller to feel completely solid

if you are 177cm at your lowest/night height you are 100% medium/average . this is THE average height . totally solid and a good height

if you are 179cm at your lowest/night height you are starting to look tallish to some people and will notice that you are taller than a decent amount of people . you are AT LEAST medium height . a little bit above average actually. you should almost never feel short or even shortish anymore (if you do then it is because of your own wrong perception) except in some rare odd situations where you are surrounded by a basketball team or something lol . very good height

if you are 181-183cm at night at your lowest/night height you are above average and tallish . many people will notice that you are a little taller than the average man. it is the equivalent of the 172-174cm range . you are not legit tall yet though just like how 173cm for example even though below average ...is not legit short yet . but it also depends on who you ask . some people will see a 173cm man as short and a 182cm man as tall already etc.

if you are 184cm or taller at your lowest/night height you are tall . no doubt

as I said the perfect height to be in my experience/opinion is around 183cm but I would take 179-180cm for some specific reasons . if you want to know why I can explain again with a few more points further
Ice said on 27/Nov/16
@Sully lol youre 175 youre short bro
Nik said on 27/Nov/16
My brother is 5'6" and he has never done bad on the dating scene, He is in his 40's and has had a lot of girlfriends !
Peter 179cm said on 26/Nov/16
I dont know about other heights but 179-180 certainly feels ideal for pretty much every aspect in life.I mean sure it's average but it's also closer to the tall range aswell.I can easily find shoes and clothes at my size and coats always fit perfectly.Also i never have a problem in big crowds and social gatherings,even though i encounter many tall guys and girls on Saturday nights out lol...But overally i guess the world is made for guys in the 5'10-6'2 range and thats not to say all other height ranges are not accounted for.
Michael MO said on 26/Nov/16
How much of a height difference is towering over? If I am 4 inches taller am I considered towering over that person?
James186cm said on 26/Nov/16
Does anyone know how accurate height chart/backdrops are (like the kind you see in mugshots and police lineups)? I made markings on a wall at home in the same vein and would like to know how accurate this method is in measuring height.
grizz said on 26/Nov/16
@Ice, stop deluding yourself- if you drop to 187 at some point of the day, you are not strong 6'2. EOD.
Sully said on 26/Nov/16
@c-mo
Thank you so much , I just appreciate my height so much (175 cm at night) and am so thankful that I'm not short , pretty decent average actually. Appreciate you taking the time to post the continuation and I think you are an excellent judge of height generally.THANKS SO MUCH!
sam said on 26/Nov/16
if I am 184cm ( 6 foot and a half) in timbaland boots how much would you say I am barefoot?
179cm said on 26/Nov/16
Matt179 said on 21/Nov/16
Im 179cm when waking up, When people ask my height i just say 5foot11. Everyone believe this easily. 5foot11 is a really good height, not as good as 6feet. To anyone that say the better the height the better you are, this is not true, most men that are above 6foot1 look lanky. its not all about height, you gotta have looks too.

5'11" is a bit of an embellishment. If I were you I'd just claim 5'10".

@Ice

I think a lot of people hear about some women saying they only like men who are 6 feet plus and they get too carried away with that. A lot of men just lie and claim 6'0"-6'1" when they're really 5'10-5'11" and most people don't notice anyway.
198 said on 26/Nov/16
Over 188 is too tall... Come on, here in the Netherlands, or more specifically, in Groningen the average height here must be around 1.93m (6ft 4). I'm 198 and haven't felt anything more than slightly above average unless I travel to the US or UK.
Jackson said on 26/Nov/16
One of my best friends is 5'6 and pulls so many attractive girls. Most are his height as well. He's got a handsome face and infectious personality and that's all you need. I'm 5'11 and a little more handsome than my friend but I don't have the personality he does. I've pulled a lot of girls, but he still does better. Therefore personality has a lot to do with it.
Ice said on 26/Nov/16
@ C-mo LOL at beeing 6'8 and never meeting a man taller than you in your entire life
Redwing said on 26/Nov/16
Ice, nice to meet you bro so youre pretty darn big being 189 cm tall? I wonder how tall Id be compared with you. Bro, do you have trouble with the ladies? If so, I always see tall dudes with chicks
c-mo said on 25/Nov/16
@Sully . ok so this is the continuation of my listing :) I hope you will have fun reading it .


185-186cm = still pretty much in the ideal range and a GOAT height . however : I noticed that once people get to 185cm+ the possibility of having lanky proportions and looking like walt disneys goofy is getting a lot higher ! with mesomorphic build and good proportions this is a faboulous height though tbh. and even if you are lanky/goofy it is still good to be tall instead of short dont forget that :). I had a buddy who is extremely good looking (he could model if he wanted . dont know why he doesnt . what an idiot lol) and he had the most perfect height and proportions I have ever seen ..he was around 185cm . btw. this height is definitely legit tall now . still somewhat on the "lower" range of tall but tall for sure

187-188cm = similar to 185-186cm in all points except that you see more skinny guys at this height now . and at this height you are taller than vast majority of people you will encounter on a daily basis . men who "tower" you are a rare sight also. many people online seem to think that this is the perfect male height ....however I am assuming that they rather have a 184-185cm guy in mind when they talk about 6'2 . I think 6'2 is a very good height with the right build but it is a little too much to be ideal . this height is standard/legit tall man height

189 - 190cm = similar to 187-188cm but you are knocking on the door of very tall now . this is one of the heights where coats look the best (again ..with good body structure :) )

191-192cm = you are now really starting to look strikingly tall . think about it ....you are 6-7cm taller than a 185cm man (which is fairly tall already) and around 13-14cm taller than average, and at night 1-2cm taller than 190cm even.

193 - 197cm = I make the interval of this range bigger because the differences are not that striking anymore and to the average person wether a guy is 193cm or 197cm doesnt matter much because he will get seen as very tall either way . this height CAN be good ...look at people like lennox lewish , joe mantangiello etc. .when you are sporty and can turn the height into your advantage you will benefit from it . many basketball players are this height also . however ....this height is already pretty unpractical in life ...you will hit your head , risks of cardiovasuclar and other medical problems arise , problems with clothes , feeling awkward at times because always sticking out among people and short women looking like kids next to you etc. . of course it is still better than being short and as I said it can also be very advantageous but it is strikingly outside of the ideal range imo

198cm - 203cm = imo this is the last range where even though you are already standing out and far above average it can still look/feel SOMEWHAT "normal"still and you might see rarely a man around your height . this range is similar to the previous but now you will look almost giant like to many people . still better than being short and can also be pretty handy but definitely way too tall for being an ideal height

taller than 203cm (6'8) = very rare heights and it is possible that you even dont meet a man your height or taller than you in your entire life . I think we can say this is the start of a semi giant at least
Nik said on 25/Nov/16
@Ice

Like I said to the average short don't worry about it. Concentrate on other things rather than beating yourself up about your hang ups and wait to see what happens in the future. I've had hangups about myself like you two have had, and I still do have some.
Nik said on 25/Nov/16
@the average short

There is no shame in being a 25 year old virgin. Focus on developing other areas of your life if you don't have much confidence, set yourself targets for the future and look to meet them. To hell with the things you are going on about like your height as there are millions of men in the world smaller than you and anyway you are about the average adult height worldwide. I am 40 and single by the way.
Rory said on 25/Nov/16
Even short guys like 5'5 range, if they're good looking, in good shape,successful and have a good personality will stand a great chance with most girls, as height rly isn't thst significant. Of course to some people it will be, some girls wouldn't even consider dating a guy under 6foot, but the majority of women aren't like that.
Rory said on 25/Nov/16
I think generally most women's ideal man would be 6ft and over, but frankly if you're at least 5'7, good looking, and with a good personality you'll never have a problem with the ladies. Some taller girls might height discriminate if you're shorter than them but it won't rly matter as 80% of girls will be available to you. I've always thought too say you're dating an average height 5'5 girl, why would she care if her partner was 5'10 or 6'3 ? Both men will tower over her to varying degrees so what's the difference.
Giorgi said on 25/Nov/16
@shiva 181 cms

Not bad, although average begins from 5'9". I think ideal range for a guy is anywhere 179-184 cm, and for a woman it would be 164-169 cm.
Ice said on 25/Nov/16
@Greg "pulling left and right" lol Im 20 and Ive never had a girlfriend . If my height and my build would help me with females in any way I would know , since I wouldnt only get rejected . Im a strong 6'2 and My physique is similar to Ronaldos physique . Women dont care . Its all about the face .
Ice said on 25/Nov/16
@Greg "pulling left and right" lol Im 20 and Ive never had a girlfriend . If my height and my build would help me with females in any way I would know , since I wouldnt only get rejected . Im a strong 6'2 and My physique is similar to Ronaldos physique . Women dont care . Its all about the face .
Ice said on 25/Nov/16
@Greg from my experience girls couldnt care less about how tall a guy is . you keep reading online how women care about height - they simply dont .
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 25/Nov/16
Rob is 6ft 3in a height where you not going too see any women taller than you and the same height as you at 6ft 3in you pretty much taller than 99.9% of every woman in public your pretty much the very tall guy maybe in airports men in the 6ft 3in range much see women close too their height but never taller and the same height as them.
Editor Rob: yes James, once at 6ft 3 it will become extremely rare to see a women taller in public.
James said on 25/Nov/16
Rob, how much more do u think I can grow after 17 years old? I'm currently 6'1.75"
Hafeez said on 25/Nov/16
Iam 100% with you .... you're one hundred percent right
@CS
Michael MO said on 25/Nov/16
@Greg which air max model do you wear?
Giorgi said on 25/Nov/16
Rob, just one trivial question. You may say you're no expert in this but I want to hear your answer cause of endless disputes. Do males continue to grow over 20? And if so, how much is the max?
Editor Rob: Giorgi, the tail off in growth at 20 is massive, the percentage who visibly grow at 21 is small.
shiva 181 cms said on 25/Nov/16
The perfect height for a guy is 6'(183cms) that's why its the perfect Mark for a man's height, many would agree so, with 5'11 and 6'1 being ideal too

Acoording to world's urban average height range for men this I sa classification

Less than 5'2 (very short)

5'2-5'5 (short range)

5'5-5'8 (shortish to average height range)

5'8-5'11 (above average to tallish)

5'11-6'2 (tall to solid tall range)

6'2-6'5 (very tall to excessive tall range)

6'5-6'8 (extremely tall)

6'8-6'11 (giantish)

7'+ (giant)
Greg said on 25/Nov/16
@Ice I mean height and looks go hand and hand. Sure a short attractive guy might be able to get the ladies as well but the taller guy has an advantage. Well maybe you aren't confident enough, if you are over 6'2 and you are athletic then you should be set, you just got to learn how to talk to girls and what not. Even if your looks aren't the greatest you should be pulling left and right lol.

@5'8.75 B4Sleep Yeah which is why I wish I was a little taller, or able to hold 5Ft 11 for a longer period of time. However 1/4-1/2 inch round up from my absolute low will have to do. Yeah the air maxes are one of my favorites, I don't even wear a lift inside them although if I had like a half inch one I think I would have but I can't be bothered to get one. My one 6'0 friend told me to just claim 6'0 to girls because they love guys that height, but I'm like "Nah I'll go with 5'11" just being fair lol.
Johan said on 25/Nov/16
@CS

You talk about confidence and its true that is a quality that attracts both genders. However its easier for us taller guys as we have always had positive feedback our whole lifes.

In fact I don't believe that I was ever rejected by a girl at all during my bachelor days.

Being tall, muscular and reasonably goodlooking helps just a bit more than people tend to think. You basically are already halfway there, having a good sense of humour tends to seal it.

I have great admiration for short guys who approach women confidently, their skin is so thick.
the average short said on 25/Nov/16
Of course a good looking face is a must, however it seems to not work well if you are short.

I always say I would love to be 6 foot or taller but I'd still be unnatractive to the ladies for my rat like appearance. Its a bummer having a long face, a massive overbite, receeding chin, big pretruding ears and a big bulbous nose, if you are that unfortunate you will be a loner for life.

People who say looks dont matter are lying to themselves and others, in my experience they do, im a 25 year old virgin who has never had a girlfriend and thats all because im really ugly looking and not tall enough.
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 25/Nov/16
Greg said on 24/Nov/16
"I mean I don't really feel like the need to wear actual elevators, I just wear my air maxes which provide a little over an inch or so. So I'm about 6 feet in those however I measure 5'11 in the mornings so just claim that. As it would be ridiclous for me to claim 6'0."

IMO you can claim 6'0 if your evening height 5'11.75. The air maxes are very beautiful shoes. but when you wear a 2 inches elevator shoes you will Compensate lost height due spine shrinkage. and add about 1 inch as an advantage.
Ice said on 24/Nov/16
Women definateley care the Most about the face . Im the so called "perfect height" (a Little over 6'2" during day time) and it hasnt helped me with girls at all . Ive got an athletic build as well , hasnt helped me either . It's all about the face .
Greg said on 24/Nov/16
@CS I mean yeah looks matter, but if you are a tall and good looking guy, you have the upper hand on average/shorter good looking guys ( shorter men being on the lower end of the spectrum) when it comes to girls.But 5'10 is basically average for a guy so he'd be taller then 70% of the girls he'd come across. Sure it's not all about height but tall guys definitely get praised for their height, constantly flooded with " gosh you are so tall" or "how tall are you?" remarks. Yeah I see the point that you are trying to come across, confidence is a major factor the same with having a good personality. However try explaining that to the women that just flock to all the tall guys.. I personally wouldn't be able to date a taller woman, i've hooked up with a girl who was just a fraction taller then me but it was more of a "one time thing" I wouldn't be secure with dating a taller woman, it just would be weird in my opinion. Now that's not to say other guys who are more confident and secure with their heights should think the same. But when I discussed this with some of my friends the majority of them agreed they wouldn't date a taller girl. Except my 6'2 range friend said if he ever came across a taller girl and she was good looking enough he would have. (However that's highly unlikely unless he moved to the netherlands haha)
Ramses said on 24/Nov/16
@CS yeah. Many girls only want a guy to be taller than they are. When you're taller than a girl, good looking and possess qualities she admires, boom! You're in
Canary said on 24/Nov/16
Wide Receiver is right. One person misstates their true height, and other people misstate their true heights when they use the original person as a yardstick. There are a group of tiny girls here who are in the 5'0 range. They claim to be 5'3 or so. One girl claims that she's around 5'3, but she's really around 5'0. The other girls, who are 4'11 or 5'0, claim that they're around her claimed height. They were quite shocked when I measured them! BTW, Nik, you're correct in that 5'6 is at the 10% mark for younger American guys.
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 24/Nov/16
@Nik

Having looked at the statistics you provided I am not sure they are suggesting that just 5% of American men of white ethnicity are below 5'6". It is from my understanding that it is at 5% only for some of the younger ages and no more than that, but for older age groups the bottom 5% of men in terms of height are shorter than 5'6" (or about 167.5 cm). Therefore the overall amount of American men of white ethnicity below 5'6" will be over 5%.

human height decreases exponentially with age exceeds 50. therefore i agree with you.
lux said on 24/Nov/16
I'm about 1.87-1.88 at night depending on the day iv had and I would estimate that on a daily basis if I encountered 100 men walking around maybe 4 or 5 of them would be taller than me but usually only by less than a full inch. At my local gym Theres about 40ish men who go and about 3 or 4 of those are taller than me but again only by an inch. 6'3 seems to be common tall tall height and I only see about 1 or 2 a week taller than that (in the UK)
Sam said on 24/Nov/16
@CS, depends on the girl, but yes looks play at least just as big of a role in attraction as well as the other things you mentioned.
Moody said on 24/Nov/16
CS, he would be an average height male right? The ideal requirements for people outside of facial features can drop down to average provided the one thing they want the most is there. This is usually personality related, but often times it is physical as well. Like eye colour, hair, build. Height has almost always come second, but it's relevancy is important once we're discussing below average heights. You can pass quite comfortably through life being 5'8-5'10 if you're handsome because that range isn't disqualified for most women (actually i'd say well over 90% wouldn't care). It might be for some, but even they tend to come down to earth when they realize how excruciatingly rare that 6'2 handsome dude is.

The hunt for that ideal sometimes has the opposite effect. A good friend of mine for instance would not settle for anything less than 6'0 in a man. However her incredibly long and painstaking search almost made her despise tall fellows. She had to reevaluate why she liked tall men in the first place, and hilariously it was the listing of George Clooney and Brad Pitt that made her realize she was overestimating the ideal she once had!

Essentially we don't quite understand our ideals because we're not thoroughly sure if they fit anymore. We're not hunter gatherers anymore. We're not perpetually warring in the same ways we once did. So obviously something like height will lose some relevancy over time. Average guys inflating their heights 2 inches and tall guys needing to do the same to separate themselves is another reason why these moronic self-inflicted concepts exist. It pushes what we know to be the average (5'9-5'10) to 6'0 for some absurd reason.

I wonder how well Somalis (in the diaspora) would rank in terms of height. I'd be damned if our average was less than 6'0.
CS said on 24/Nov/16
To the guy saying it's about looks too (and to anyone else who has said it) you are 100% correct. The other day I was at a coffee shop and I saw a man who was 5'10 tops, probably a strong 5'9 and he was ridiculously good looking. Me as a straight male was in awe of him because of his looks, his height didn't even matter to me.

Now you might say but for girls it would matter, well to some girls yes but believe me when I say to many girls it wouldn't. All that's important to many girls out there is whether or not you're taller than them. I see PLENTY of short to average decent looking guys with attractive girls.

Even model Bar Refaeli said she'd love to marry Justin Bieber and he's an inch shorter than her. Looks are far more important than height. If you're a girl's type then you're set regardless of what your height is, provided you have some personality too.

Now, I hope I didn't bum anyone out by listing yet another thing that is pretty much solely based on genetics: looks. I'm just trying to convey that it's not all about height. If you lack height you can make up for it in other areas: looks, the way you dress, the way you compose yourself/confidence, etc.

Now that's also not to say height is the end all be all. You can't just be 6'1 and expect things to come easy in life lol. You need those qualities like confidence, intelligence, hard work ethic, etc. too no matter what height you are. But people please don't think you have it bad off just because you are under a certain height. You can do just fine in life no matter what height you are, just read what I wrote.
Thomas6ft1 said on 24/Nov/16
To Ice, french guy and various other trolls: "185 cm is average height." "I feel short at 188 cm."

Right, that'll be true when pigs fly or hell freezes over.
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 24/Nov/16
Rob is it common too see men in the 7ft 0in range when your on holiday the day i left sydney i saw this man in the airport who was a solid 7ft 0in but before i left i saw two other men that were 7ft 0in when i was on sydney.
Editor Rob: James, it's still quite rare to see a 7 footer, not seen one for a while now.
Sherlock said on 24/Nov/16
Rob I'm 181 cm straight out of bed and about 179,4 cm (give or take a couple millimetres) late in the evening. Can I confidently claim 5'11"?

Ps. If I were to exaggerate my height how far could I go before people start questioning it?
Editor Rob: Sherlock, you could claim 5ft 11 and the majority wouldn't question you. Claim 6ft and a decent proportion would question, but probably a majority still wouldn't even think you weren't...basically because they aren't as observant or are lying themselves an inch.
Greg said on 24/Nov/16
@5'8.75 B4 Sleep I mean I don't really feel like the need to wear actual elevators, I just wear my air maxes which provide a little over an inch or so. So I'm about 6 feet in those however I measure 5'11 in the mornings so just claim that. As it would be ridiclous for me to claim 6'0.
Nik said on 24/Nov/16
@The Horse of FUNK

Yes I agree with your post. Maybe some people suffer from tallism too or when there's a tall guy near they probably only focus their attention on him and at the same time not notice all the smaller guys that are within a close proximity. Furthermore I think that a lot of young men have it in their heads that you have to be a certain height to be accepted by other people. People are obsessed with big and higher numbers and I suppose 5'11 is perhaps the mark of starting to be seen as an acceptable height for some young men as the 11 part is as big a number you can get for each foot in height. Also being 6 foot tall or higher has always been an holy grail for many men for a long time too and weirdly still many people have then gone on from this and seen it is a minimum standard for men's heights ! The average young man is no more than 5'10" so it is ridiculous really but understandable considering that we are not helping ourselves in society by putting expectations on ourselves that are too high. There are so many expectations put on women too nowadays as well.

5'8.75 B4Sleep

I said I was surprised that so few are below 5'6". I never said it was wrong that 5% are below 5'6". Having said I still don't have to believe the statistics you found from the website are definitely correct although I am not saying that I think they are wrong either.

Having looked at the statistics you provided I am not sure they are suggesting that just 5% of American men of white ethnicity are below 5'6". It is from my understanding that it is at 5% only for some of the younger ages and no more than that, but for older age groups the bottom 5% of men in terms of height are shorter than 5'6" (or about 167.5 cm). Therefore the overall amount of American men of white ethnicity below 5'6" will be over 5%.
The Horse of FUNK said on 24/Nov/16
This thread is still on with its quest to achieve the ultimate understanding of what is considered average height? It's never-ending lol.

I dunno, I'm a North American male, typically measure anywhere between 5'11.5" - 5'11.75" in the afternoon/evening and 6'0" to 6'0.3" in the mornings. I get called a "big guy" from time-to-time. Maybe it's because I weigh about 200 lbs.

Every now and then you see people on this board who say they're short or feel short at 5'10" or 5'11". I call bullbagoogle.

I'm not far from 5'10" and I think there are lots of insecure guys out there who skew statistics and perception. I've never once felt short or been called short. Complete opposite. People tend to focus on people who are are taller than them, so that's what they notice more.
your name said on 23/Nov/16
Rob, I have a strange condition. I measure myself with an aerosol can and a tape measured and I record 184.1 cm in the morning and 180.9cm in the afternoon. Is my measuring inaccurate or do I have a strange body.
Editor Rob: it's a big amount, a bit more than an inch, but not an impossible shrinkage.

After all, we have the curious case of our old friend 'Big G'. See Here.

He said he measured a solid 5ft 8, yet his actual at 6.30pm is 169.1cm, so he's claiming he shrinks almost 1.5 inches.

Maybe you suffer a lesser form of G's condition - Supershrinkitis.
Jackson said on 23/Nov/16
I'm 181cm upon waking and 179cm before bed
I always claim 5'11. Most guess I'm 6 feet yet I would never claim that height barefoot.

I think 1/2 inch is the most you should get away with. For instance if your 5'10.5 and claim 5'11, nobody is going to raise an eyebrow.
Miguel said on 23/Nov/16
What would a "strong" or "weak" 6 footer be?
Editor Rob: Miguel, a strong six footer shouldn't fall under the mark, and might be a little fraction over it...a weak six footer could drop to 11.75 or thereabouts, even a tiny bit less.
Ice said on 23/Nov/16
ROB when would you say the height range Starts where a year could go by and youd never see anyone taller than you ?
Editor Rob: Ice, it might be near to 7ft range. But it's also very dependent on where you live and whether you travel.
lelxd said on 23/Nov/16
Rob, i just turned 18 today i am 6'2 and 6ft2.5 in the morning do u think i can reach 6'3 ? (my dad is 6'3 and uncle 6'5)
Editor Rob: still a chance, 18-20 there is a proportion who gain a final bit, sometimes only half inch, but that would take you closer to 6ft 3.
Roy said on 22/Nov/16
@roy who is rick ? Also i use a capital R not small r
Roy said on 22/Nov/16
@roy who is rick ? Also i use a capital R not small r
Roy said on 22/Nov/16
@Greg i built up a stack of books on my stairs and place a ruler straight accross while i was standing
i built it to exactly 180 for the evening time
i was able to hit my head off this barefoot (I assume its because of my body not being restricted )
so i may be 0ver 180 but undermeasuring myself by a bit
i look near eye level with my 182 friend so i couldnt do this unless i was near enough 180
i claim 5,10.5 @ Greg as its the lowest i measure
Im very confused because im taller than most people i see unless they are 6 foot range
im also considerably taller than my friend who was measured at 5,8.5 in a hospital
this is accurate i assume ?
Im only 19 so i think im still growing
i gained 1 inch in the last year :)
Greg my morning height is 181
Greg said on 22/Nov/16
@Matt179 I'm 180 in the morning and 179ish by night time. When people ask me my height I also say 5'11. And my proportions make it even better, I've been called kind of tall sometimes which is odd because I'm not really that tall haha. And plus I was wearing my shoes that give me a decent amount of height. 5'11 is a great height, 6'0 is even better. And ideal would most certaintly be 6'1-6'2.
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 22/Nov/16
Greg said on 19/Nov/16
Has anybody here gotten a little bit taller from stretching? Even if it's a quarter or a half inch? I've been trying out some stretches and hanging exercises hoping to increase my height just a little bit. I know it's difficult and you probably wouldn't be able to benefit or if I'm able to hold my max morning height for longer.

Do not waste your time. the safest and easiest way for gaining height after puberty is to wear elevator shoes only. I am 5'9 barefoot and i wear 1.7 inches elevator shoes so i will be 5'10.7 (about 5'11) and i feel slightly above average. And very close to 6 footers.
Peter 179cm said on 22/Nov/16
@ Matt179 So you're actually about 5'10 at night claiming 5'11 which could be your in-shoes height-cheater! xD
@ 6'1 cowboy How do you actually walk in the street without looking suspicious,though??
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 22/Nov/16
Nik said on 21/Nov/16
@5'8.75 B4Sleep

I am surprised at just 5% of the white adult male population of America being under 5'6". It seems on the low side but again I am not saying it is wrong as you may know better.

You can check the reference "chart":

Click Here
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 22/Nov/16
Canary said on 21/Nov/16
@5'8.75 B4 Sleep: What do you mean by "too tall" and "too short"?

It is based on statistic data ( standard deviation ):

In terms of evaluating individuals it is not too short, but based on the arithmetic average it is too far from the mean.
Wide Receiver said on 22/Nov/16
5'9".5 is the average male height in America(I'll only speak on America), so what we can understand is that the higher/lower you deviate from the average the taller/shorter you are.

Now here's the tricky part: an inch below average and an inch above average are not equal to the eye. We don't pay any attention to shorter than average people unless their drastically shorter, that's not the case when you're going taller, probably because of the way we think about height in society. This is more apparent in person.

That also leads us into societies perception of height, a lot of people overestimate themselves either knowingly or unknowingly and it causes others to do the same, which continues the cycle of poor perception.
Greg said on 21/Nov/16
@Roy I don't think that kitchen tiles would effect your measurement. Also I'm just curious but what's your morning height and what height do you claim? I'm around the same night time height as you possiably a tad bit more at 179ish
Roy said on 21/Nov/16
rob is it accurate to measure with a book cover coming down the wall directly onto the head ?
i always get 1 cm taller this way
is this due to my body not being restricted when free standing facing the wall as opposed to cannister method ?
thanks :)
Editor Rob: big Roy, it is hard to say why this difference is occurring. Unless the wall was wonky or the book not as straight as you think, the hardback book and can should really give within 2mm if you are taking the time to measure and stand with great posture.
Canary said on 21/Nov/16
@5'8.75 B4 Sleep: What do you mean by "too tall" and "too short"? The "too" heights really aren't that extreme. They don't present any real difficulties in life, although 5'6 men may have more difficulties in the dating scene. They're not insurmountable, though.
c-mo said on 21/Nov/16
@HonestSlovene . nah that is too much . I am not shortish trust me . I would have no problem admitting it if I felt shortish . I feel very average and solid height . as I said I am a little above 178cm out of bed and 176cm at night. if that is shortish then I dont know ... shortish are heights like 172 173 but 175cm+ at night is definitely average
Nik said on 21/Nov/16
@5'8.75 B4Sleep

I am surprised at just 5% of the white adult male population of America being under 5'6". It seems on the low side but again I am not saying it is wrong as you may know better.

I will give my estimate for the Uk which bear in mind I think is a slightly smaller nation on average than the USA, but it still one of the taller nations in the world.

Here it is:

6'6" and over - 0.03%
6'4" and over - 0.8%
6'2" and over - 5%
6'0" and over - 13.25%
5'10" - 6'0" - 27.75%
5'8" - 5'10" - 21..75%
5'7" - 5'8" - 13.75%
5'6" - 5'7" - 13.5%
Below 5'6" - 10.25%

here are my estimates for the percentage of Uk men below different heights: (up to 6'0")

Below 5'6" -10.25%
Below 5'7". - 23.75%
Below 5'8". - 37.50%
Below 5'10" - 59.25%
Below 6'0" - 87%

I also would like to point out that I don't think the amount of men under 5'3" tails off to an indescribably low amount like a small fraction of a percent.
I have seen figures thrown about claiming just one in thousands of men are so small in western countries, and I don't agree in the slightest. I think there are considerably more than that.

These figures include shrinkage from the older generations which for me explains the small gap I have predicted between the amount of men in the 5'6" - 5'7" range and the 5'7" - 5'8" range, and I think the 5'6" - 5'7" range is a popular range personally for older men (and common although under average amongst older men earlier in life).

I am sure there will be stats experts pointing out flaws in my figures. These are rough estimates but I have tried to make the statistics as near as I can to what I think they are, and I have had to play about with the numbers and decimalise it a bit so it all seems to look Ok in my opinion. If anyone has any hard data that can be provided from any studies on what I have been guessing then feel free to provide the stats. They may be accurate or they may not be but it will be interesting to see them.

@Editor Rob

I would predict that at 171 cm I may be the 29th smallest man in the Uk and at 5'8.125 you may be the 38th or 39th smallest man in the Uk. What would you say ?

@Canary

Yes In general I agree with your height chart for white American women under 40 and I think it would be similar for the Uk, although I think the Americans are slightly taller. I am not convinced that 4'11" is extremely short though, but I think it is clearly very short. I agree that 5'9" should be the start of the very tall range but I also think 5'10" is further up the very tall range rather than being extremely tall as you said. I don't really agree with your views on the heights you mentioned as being anomalous either.
Ice said on 21/Nov/16
@ Canary , it doesnt matter , because 5'10 might be tall for a woman , but it's not tall as a Person .
roy said on 21/Nov/16
@Roy. Why are you using my screen name to ask an idiotic question about tile and doorknobs. This sounds an awful lot like rick again. Hey, if your under 12 then haha funny. If your older then that,grow up and find something better to do with your life.
James186cm said on 21/Nov/16
Does anyone know how accurate height chart/backdrops are (like the kind you see in mugshots and police lineups)? I made markings on a wall at home in the same vein and would like to know how accurate this method is in measuring height.
6'1 cowboy said on 21/Nov/16
Barefoot I'm only about 5'8, but I always wear 3 inch cowboy boots which makes me 5'11. Then almost every guy and girl adds about 1-2 inches on their height, so when asked I normally say I'm somewhere between 6 foot and 6'1. I'm actually the only tall one in my family that's over 6 foot. I could probably use a small lift and get an extra 1-2 inches but I wouldn't want to look like dean in supernatural. A 5'8 body frame and 6-4 inch height.
Danny said on 21/Nov/16
Rob, do people judge your height based on your eye level or the top of your head.
I don't know if this makes any sense but say, you have two guys who are exactly the same height (let's call them Matt and Tom). Matt's eye level is slightly higher than Tom's. When standing side by side do people generally think Matt is taller just because his eyes are a tiny bit higher than Tom's eyes? I'd love to hear your take on this. Thanks in advance :)
Editor Rob: Danny, most people are judging based on their eyelevel against others.
Sam said on 21/Nov/16
How tall is Paul Martin from flog it Rob?
Editor Rob: Sam, he strikes me as a 5ft 10 type guy.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 21/Nov/16
185cm at night is legit tall
Matt179 said on 21/Nov/16
Im 179cm when waking up, When people ask my height i just say 5foot11. Everyone believe this easily. 5foot11 is a really good height, not as good as 6feet. To anyone that say the better the height the better you are, this is not true, most men that are above 6foot1 look lanky. its not all about height, you gotta have looks too.
Gaza2121 said on 21/Nov/16
Rob, does titling your head backwards or forwards gain more height? Also I measured 177.3 cm straight out of bed and after 5 minutes I was bearly 177 cm. do you think i would still measure at least 5'9" flat before bed at worst? If so does that make me a strong 5'9"? Thank you!
Editor Rob: Gaza, it could depend on the shape and curvature of your skull. With some people it might give an extra couple of mm, with others maybe not.

I'd always advise simply to try looking dead ahead when taking any sort of measurement.
Roy said on 20/Nov/16
if i measure on kitchen tile is it accurate ? i measured slighty over 5,10.5 with this method and when measuring using a door i got 178.5 (night measurement).Was it to do with me being restricted by the door handle measuring myself ? thanks :)
Robbie said on 20/Nov/16
For those who would like to grow taller (those under19) make sure you sleep between 8.00 pm and 6.00 am. These are usually quiet hours when traffic is reduced so you get more deep sleep which would result with the body repairing and growing tissues more efficiently. Practice this if you are to retain the body's ability to repair and grow- the ability that was once there when you were younger. TThis could lead to some satisfactory progress.
Canary said on 19/Nov/16
This is MY female height chart for white American women younger than 40. There was some back and forth on the height categories in the other one. With that in mind, this chart is more personal than official. Of course, YMMV. :)

4'10: anomalous
4'11: extremely short
5'0: very short
5'1: lower short
5'2: upper short
5'3: below average
5'4: lower average
5'5: upper average
5'6: above average
5'7: lower tall
5'8: upper tall
5'9: very tall
5'10: extremely tall
5'11: anomalous
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 19/Nov/16
Easy height chart for american white ethnicity "men":
1. Too tall: Above 6'2 (5%)
2. Tall: 6'0 - 6'2 (20%)
3. Average: 5'8.5 - 5'11.5 (50%)
4. Short: 5'8 - 5'6 (20%)
5. Too short: below 5'6 (5%)
Nik said on 19/Nov/16
@french guy

It really is a wonder that basketball is not the number one sport in France with according to you so many French people being super tall.
Greg said on 19/Nov/16
Has anybody here gotten a little bit taller from stretching? Even if it's a quarter or a half inch? I've been trying out some stretches and hanging exercises hoping to increase my height just a little bit. I know it's difficult and you probably wouldn't be able to benefit or if I'm able to hold my max morning height for longer.
Nik said on 19/Nov/16
@Russ

You seem determined to believe I am a downgrading troll for Uk heights.
HonestSlovene said on 19/Nov/16
@c-m I would say it is just slightly higher than that for evening heights IMHO:

174 cm = out of the legit short zone (although it is short-ish)
177 cm = 100% in average/medium zone (177-180 cm)
179-180 cm = can look/seem tallish (high average)
181-182 cm = above average but not tall
183-184 cm = low tall range
186 cm at night or more = 100% tall
Peter 179cm said on 19/Nov/16
@ c-mo Well,i'm Greek and people here are generally noticeably smaller on average than Northern Europeaners.When i'm working in the summer and meet alot of Scandinavian and Germanic people, i rarely feel tall and i actually see alot more men my height or taller.Also women are noticeably taller as well-i'd say about 3-4cm than most women here(on average).Throughout the summer months,i saw at least 15 women taller than me without heels and none of them was Italian/Greek/Romanian or South European for that matter.But in all fairness,i feel pretty solid height-wise although i wouldn't mind an extra 2-3cm.
c-mo said on 19/Nov/16
Peter 179cm said on 18/Nov/16
@ vg I'm 181 morning/179 evening and i've been called tall more times than "average".I think if you atleast clear 180cm in the morning like i do you're bound to get positive comments on your height whenever that happens.I got a friend of mine who claims 194-195cm and looks atleast that range and even though he towers over me,he also called me tallish for some reason.

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I am a little over 178cm out of bed and around 176cm at night and I feel solid height . I am not surprised that you feel tallish at 179cm night.

once you hit 173cm at night you are out of the legit short zone . once you are 176cm at night you are 100% in the average/medium zone now . once you hit 178-179cm at night you start to look/seem tallish to a noticable amount of people . once you hit 182cm at night you will look/feel/seem tall or at least tallish to many people . once you hit 185cm at night you are 100% tall no doubt about it

btw. @Sully : I havent forgotten it :) I will continue the list soon
the Slav said on 19/Nov/16
@master

Dude, you're talking bogus
master said on 19/Nov/16
Any one who would like to 'maximise' their growth should know that a diet including natural foods and water only will help. Young people are just too lazy to sacrifice their consumption of desirable foods and their time awake after 9:00 pm. You have to be harsh on yourself to some degree if you are to 'maximise' your growth.
The word maximise is in inverted commas because I am uncertain about whether people are destined for a specific height or size. If so, only a few people have this condition. You can definitely grow taller regardless of genotype and your final size will represent a specific lifestyle. If you are a bit under average height then you haven't spent enough time doing exercises, resting or eating proper foods regularly. However it is true that genes can affect height a lot but it only sets a wide range of possible heights for a young person. For example, if the genes of a young person enables him or her to grow up to be no less than 172 cm and no more than 183 cm then with a poor life style that individual may end up closer to 172 cm.
Greg said on 18/Nov/16
@Mark(5'9.25 ah I understand. See the thing is my friends are all sorts of heights, I got really tall friends and some short friends. I am a bit self conscious about my height too even though I'm not short by standards but I just think about height too much. Like if I was about an inch or two taller I think I would be content with my height. But alas it is what it is.
Canary said on 18/Nov/16
The Average Short's post is rational and sensible IMO. He says that he rarely sees females over 5'10. This may be why percentiles indicate that they could be seen as extremely tall (subjective, I know). Keep in mind that only three percent of women are over 5'10.
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Michael MO said on 18/Nov/16
@Russ that is one study where multiple
More have stayed it to be 169-172 for 15 year old male. That is one study out of many and the average of all the studies is 170.5 to be exact. According to your study which was probably
Of a very small group a 15 year old boy only grows half a cm a year to 16? Come on even you have to see that's immaculate.
Michael MO said on 18/Nov/16
@Russ that is one study where multiple
More have stayed it to be 169-172 for 15 year old male. That is one study out of many and the average of all the studies is 170.5 to be exact. According to your study which was probably
Of a very small group a 15 year old boy only grows half a cm a year to 16? Come on even you have to see that's immaculate.
Mark(5'9.25 said on 18/Nov/16
@Greg @Nik

The reason why I'm considered short is because I'm usually with 6'4"+ friends and at least 6'0.25" people and above. There are some half Chinese people like me who are in the solid 6'3" range. I have an uncle from my mom's who is 6'2.5" and was 6'3" peak. Usually, they're able to correctly guess my height which my mom measured me in the 5'9" range.

Another reason why I am short is because there is this one half Chinese guy I met in person. He looks 98% percent like me, except much much much much much taller. His name his Ben. However, he is nicknamed 'Big Ben' because of his monstrous height. (Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant would have to where medium high heels to at least come close to Ben's forehead. Calvin Harris would have to wear a 3-inch winter boots to not be close in height but would still be shorter. Ben actually comes close to Peak Under Taker's height which is 6'7.5" - 6'8". I guessed Ben at 6'7.25" for an ultimate low and 6'7.75" for the max.)

I remember sparring with him in Kung Fu class and that's when he accidentally kicked me half way across the room. He apologize to me and I told him it was no big deal. He asked me how old was I and I told him I was 13 back then. (Today, I'm 18). Ben was shocked because he thought I was 16, implying to me that I'm not a short person. That was when I started to get height conscious.
Russ said on 18/Nov/16
Nik said on 17/Nov/16

@Nik, No more argument with you. If you stick you barely to see a young British man is over 200 cm, which means British is very short group, even shorter than Asians.
Russ said on 18/Nov/16
Michael MO said on 15/Nov/16
@Russ i dont know where you get your info but its wildly inaccurate

@Michael MO. Check "Anthropometric Reference Data for Children and Adults: United States, 2011–2014" by US Dept. of Health and Human Services; et al. (August 2016). You moron. It is on cdc.gov website. 15 year old American boys is 173.4.


Inaccurate? So you thinks you, a ordinary person, is more accurate than US Dept. of Health and HUman Services?

Or you are too stupid to understand data?
Russ said on 18/Nov/16
Michael MO said on 15/Nov/16
@Russ average height of a US 15 year old boy is 170cm by the way. Not 174. 174 is 16 year old

@Michael MO.. Check "Anthropometric Reference Data for Children and Adults: United States, 2011–2014" by US Dept. of Health and Human Services; et al. (August 2016). You moron. It is on cdc.gov website. 15 year old American boys is 173.4, 16 year old American boys is 173.9. Check yourself.


Or you are too stupid to read numbers?
Peter 179cm said on 18/Nov/16
@ vg I'm 181 morning/179 evening and i've been called tall more times than "average".I think if you atleast clear 180cm in the morning like i do you're bound to get positive comments on your height whenever that happens.I got a friend of mine who claims 194-195cm and looks atleast that range and even though he towers over me,he also called me tallish for some reason.
the Slav said on 18/Nov/16
@the average short

Dude, I'm joking.
the average short said on 18/Nov/16
Honestly there is no point entertaining the likes of french guy, ice, and the slav.

Statistics may be a bit skewed but in most western countries the average height ranges from 175cm to 181cm, maybe even 183cm for the dutch. You may just happen to see a crowd of men that clear the 6 foot mark but that doesn't make it average.

On a daily basis I see men who range from 5'4 to 6'2 and women who range from 5'0 to 5'10 after that its rare to see a man who is over 6'2 and a womam over 5'10.

Those are my estimations anyway, its just random guessing from my perspective
Ally182 said on 18/Nov/16
I agree with french guy, 180 cm can't be average. It's just extremely short. Anyone shorter than than 235 cm is a dwarf. I've been to France and every second kid was like 210 cm, most women were 220 cm tall so it's safe to say that average there is between 220-250
Peter 179cm said on 18/Nov/16
@ french guy Indeed,190-200cm is very common in the basketball world.Still that doesn't change the fact that 175-177 is the average height for males in Europe and most of U.S.A. minus a few taller nations(Netherlands,Serbia,Scandinavian countries,Belgium and maybe Germany and Austria).
roy said on 17/Nov/16
I've noticed a lot of people are in denial about their true height. They ask if how tall they are if their eye level is so and so, and if they are taller than this object or that person that they know is so and so height. It's denial. All they need to do is take an aerosol can level with the wall and mark it (barefoot and evening) Walla there is your height! All the wishing and different scenarios aren't going to make them magically taller.
vg said on 17/Nov/16
179 morning / 177 evening -- Case 1
180 morning / 178 evening -- Case 2

Seems like a 1 cm dif, right? For some reason that I've found a deal-breaker in most people's perceptions.
Case 1 -- you're viewed as barely average, even a bit stubby
Case 2 -- you're set
How that works? No idea..
Anybody else found similar magical height gaps where a sole cm plays such huge roles?

I'd bet
175 morning / 173 evening VS 174 morning / 172 evening
186 morning / 184 evening VS 185 morning / 183 evening
would probably achieve similar effects
Canary said on 17/Nov/16
I replied to three people on the subject of female height. My reply wasn't posted. I don't care to rewrite the whole thing because it might not get posted. One thing I mentioned is that dwarf height supposedly starts at 4'10 for both men and women, and that figure comes from an advocacy group and other sources (I don't agree with it).
5'8.75 B4Sleep said on 17/Nov/16
My height is:
1.Out of the bed: 176.7cm
2.Afternoon: 175.2cm
3.Before sleep: 174.6cm
I feel comfortable with my height. It is not perfect but it is good enough.
Nik said on 17/Nov/16
@french guy

The average young French guy I would say is about 176-178 cm. I even think for the general male population in France the average could be about 174-176 cm. If I am slightly, and I mean slightly wrong I am still a lot damn closer than you are!

@Gaza2121

Yes I would say it is sensible to say the average male height is 5'9.5" so I think you are correct. I still think it is probably slightly under that if anything (but I don't know), may be 5'9.25"-5'9.5". That is 176-177 cm,

@Russ

My opinion is that the USA is slightly taller on average than the Uk and I have never once said that the USA was way taller than the Uk. Out of the European countries it is only those on the eastern side of Europe that are generally taller than the USA.

You said one in 700 young men in America are over 200 cm and I believe you although the amount of men in America over this height will tail of massively for older age groups so for the general population only one in thousands of men will be so tall. In fact it will be one in a few more thousands in the Uk general male population with in my opinion American men being slightly taller than Uk men.

I don't deny that each college and university has several guys over 200 cm but even so I stick to what I said in that one in thousands of men are 6'6" or above in the Uk general male population, and I imagine it will be similar in the USA. I also stick to what I said which is that I can't remember the last time I saw a 6'7 guy in the flesh. I have seen a few close to that in fairly recent history but I suppose unless you see lots of young people about in your everyday life or perhaps live in a prosperous area then your experience of guys who are 6'7 or over could easily be non existential or it could be a very rare experience, and over a considerable period of time. Like I said you could easily sit on a bench in many areas of the country and find it extremely rare or a non occurrence to see a 6'6"+ man in over a week as during the day most younger people are at work or college or university and plus if you are in many non prosperous areas even your experience of young men being so tall would be even rarer than it normally is too. I go as far as to say for the general population many people simply do not encounter very many extremely tall people and have limited experience of this (like I have) in as long as they can remember. Some people like you and particularly quite a few younger people may have a lot more experience of this in their lives. It may also be the same for a lot of people in some American cities and a few Uk cities as many people who are extremely tall (as in 6'6+) are wealthy and come from tall and rich families and work in some of the major cities.
the Slav said on 17/Nov/16
It's true, French guy,
All my female teachers in middle school were over 2 meters
french guy m said on 17/Nov/16
The average can't be 180 cm because 190-200 cm is too common
Gaza2121 said on 17/Nov/16
Rob, I have a question, if the average male height is approximately 5'9.5, how do we know it's not an early morning measurement average? So if a man was 5'9" flat at night and almost 5'10" in the morning maybe they're bang on average?
Editor Rob: Gaza, in the UK, from the last big 'National Health Survey', the health workers visited people at homes, so if it was 9-5 range, then the average might be about lunch. In the UK the average was 5ft 9 when that was done a few years ago.

I don't know about America, but I'd be surprised if it was really early on average.
Michael MO said on 15/Nov/16
@Russ i dont know where you get your info but its wildly inaccurate
big boy said on 15/Nov/16
If the average height is around 177 what about the average night height of an American?
the Slav said on 15/Nov/16
Mark(5'9.25") said on 12/Nov/16
@french guy 185 cm is actually tall. So 6'0" is average. Hey, thank you for calling me short.

Don't worry, Mark, I'm short too apparently hahaha
Nik said on 15/Nov/16
@Russ

Well well what percentage of the Uk young male population do you think is 176cm or less ? It is that that you were knit picking about.

I have never said that any individual surveys on height statistics were fabricated or a lie, what I have said in the past on this forum is akin to the fact that i take them with a pinch of salt as there are some that I have had doubts about before. Even then though I am not saying anyone has ever actually lied and I would be more inclined just to think they are flawed. That is not the same as saying that I doubt most of them though as I generally believe a lot of statistics are correct and certainly the governments statistics on wiki look worthy of being labelled as accurate.

At the end if the day I was quoting rough statistics which I doubt are massively incorrect to show the ludicrously of French guys.statement over the lack of young Frenchmen under 176 cm where if the truth is known that is probably damn well near average for younger French guys and common amongst the young Uk guys. Hence my opinion that about 40 percent are under 176 cm. if I am wrong then it doesn't distract from the main point which was ridiculousness of the French guys statement. Prove to me that way less than 40% of Uk young men are under 176 cm and that a large majority of young French men are 176 cm or more and I will admit I am wrong. You don't always have to back your statements up with exact facts to make a point well said even though on certain occasions it is necessary.
Michael MO said on 15/Nov/16
@Russ average height of a US 15 year old boy is 170cm by the way. Not 174. 174 is 16 year old
Russ said on 15/Nov/16
@Nik Not for one minute did I say that my government was l

I never said you say that. I just based on your words to get the comment. Here is thing, if 177.8 is acceptable data for young British, then 10% young British boys should be over 185 cm. And 4-5% young men should be over 190 cm. The normal distribution must be like that.

In US. the average height of 15-year-old boys is 173.9, and the data shows 10% boys are 181.6 or taller, and 5% boys are 186 plus. If British young men are 177.8 averagely, there are should be 10% guys are 185 or taller.
the Slav said on 15/Nov/16
@Bobby183.5cmnight

1 cm is a lot - won't happen unless you suffer from sciolisis or the likes of that. You're already at a super solid height so why bother :)?
Bobby183.5cmnight said on 15/Nov/16
Rob, is there any way to increase height like 1 cm by doing stretches? Can improving posture increase my height to solid 184cm?
Editor Rob: I think Bobby, there is a slight chance of that. Many who do pilates/yoga do say they measured a bit taller.

But if you already are a fit and supple person, then you might struggle.
Christian-196.2cm (6ft5.25) said on 14/Nov/16
Canary said on 13/Nov/16
@Christian: It comes down to personal opinion. There are no hard and fast rules. My percentiles are facts, but my classifications are opinions. They're my own words. I see your point about categories, though. "Tall" and "short" can be in the eye of the beholder. I think that 4'9" is more than extremely short, though. It's one inch under the start of dwarf height (4'10).

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It's not fair for women under 4ft10 to be classified as a dwarf, because that's the equivalent of being a little over 5ft3 for a man. I don't know anyone who would call a 5ft3 man a dwarf.
Canary said on 13/Nov/16
@Christian: It comes down to personal opinion. There are no hard and fast rules. My percentiles are facts, but my classifications are opinions. They're my own words. I see your point about categories, though. "Tall" and "short" can be in the eye of the beholder. I think that 4'9" is more than extremely short, though. It's one inch under the start of dwarf height (4'10).
Russ said on 13/Nov/16
Nik said on 13/Nov/16
@Russ

In my opinion if you sat on a bench in most uk towns or villages all week or for even longer it could be very rare to see a man who is 6'6" + and it is quite likely you would not see any men at all who are this height or above. I can't remember the last time I saw a genuine 6'7" er although I have seen a few men close to that in as many years as I can remember.


I live in US. Of course, 200 cm or taller are rarely to see. But it is not very rare to encounter into. For new generation(17-19 years old) in US,I say one out of 700 boys is 200 cm plus is reasonable estimation.It is rare, but not very rare. As far as I know, each college/university has several guys over 2 meter+ in US, even in community college. I don't know about UK, but according to your words, British is much shorter than American. But you know, US is not a tall nation, compare to other European countries.
Ice said on 13/Nov/16
@ Canary 5'10 isnt extremeley tall for a woman , Id say extremeley tall for women Starts at like 6'1 and anomalus at 6'2 ish .
Ice said on 13/Nov/16
@ Rollo Timasi

Exactly . I think the Dutch might be slightly taller than the Austrias , we are talking an average of +1 cm or so . I doubt there is any place in this world were men are averagly noticably taller than Austrian men aged 20-50 . Except maybe some regions in the Dinaric Alps .
Steve said on 13/Nov/16
@frenchguy Is either a troll or just delusional. I've been to France many times and never felt short. I mostly felt on the tall side of average and I'm 180/181cm. According to his figures I should have been 'shortish' which I can safely say wasn't the case. I'd say 176/177 is their male average... 185 is ridiculous. It was rare that I saw anyone there taller than my dad at 189cm. Wouldn't mind hearing Rob's opinion on this!
Ice said on 13/Nov/16
@ Rollo Timasi

Exactly . I think the Dutch might be slightly taller than the Austrias , we are talking an average of +1 cm or so . I doubt there is any place in this world were men are averagly noticably taller than Austrian men aged 20-50 . Except maybe some regions in the Dinaric Alps .
Nik said on 13/Nov/16
@Mark

You are average. There is no way you are short. I would say you are exactly average in some western countries and that you will be ever so slightly above or below in others. In my opinion only in some of the Eastern Eurooean countries will you be a bit short but you are taller than most men worldwide. Take this banter with a pinch of salt, you must have tall friends !

@Canary

I am always fascinated to see height statistics, I would have guessed that 20-25% of young American women are 5'7 or above as apposed to 15%. However I would have guessed a much lower amount to be 5'7" or over for older age groups of women, although it is far from rare. I would have also imagined that more than 4% of young American women are 5'0" or smaller. However I am not saying the statistics are wrong, I am just saying what I would have thought before I saw them.

I don't agree with you about some of your classifications though but that is just my opinion. I don't think that 5'0 is extremely short for young American women. In fact I will give you what I think are my classifications for women which I think certainly apply for younger women. The classifications might be slightly different for older generations of women.

Here are my height classifications for young western women:

- 5'0". Very short
5'0" - 5'3". Short
5'3" - 5''4". Under average
5'4" - 5'6". Average
5'6" - 5'7". Above average
5'7" - 5'9". Tall
5'9". - Very Tall

@Russ

Not for one minute did I say that my government was lying about the average height of young men in the Uk. In fact 177.8 cm as an average for young guys from the Uk seems accurate to me but even if it is a little bit different I am not seeing it is due to lying by the government. Whether I am right in saying that 40% of young Uk men are under 176 cm or not I don't know but I was saying it because I believed it was accurate and I believe this is much closer to the truth than what the French guy says which is: "I randomly come across 100 young men every day, there are always 20-25 who are taller 190 cm. And the shortest are usually 176-177 cm, a bit above 175 cm.". What I was saying is that 40% of young Uk guys are under 175.99 cm so I don't think it is statistically preposterous that just 10% could lie in the 176 cm - 177.8 cm range. Failing that I certainly think that 15% could realistically fall within this range making it so that 35-40% of Uk young men are under 176 cm. 35% seems a little bit too low for me by the way.

@French guy

Honestly you ought to be on centre stage at the Appollo. I'd pay to hear you talking about how the young French guys are generally ridiculously tall or very tall when it is not true. No disrespect to the French at all though, I don't dislike them in any way shape or form. It just makes me laugh because the French are slightly above average worldwide in terms of height but they are one of the lowest or lowest countries in height throughout the western world. There is nothing wrong with that though but why make it out that France is the land of the giants ? Great country and people but some of the tallest people in the world, come off it.
Peter 179cm said on 13/Nov/16
@Honest Slovene That's debatable in some areas of those countries,but still 185cm or 6'1 is above average in North Europe and tall everywhere else in the world.Just bust out a tape and look up the 185 mark-it's clearly a tall height.
Greg said on 13/Nov/16
@Mark(5'9.25) well it depends where you are from, if you are in the Netherlands then yeah you would be considered short but in the U.S you would be basically average. I'm a bit taller then you but sometimes when I go out I feel short other times, high average/slightly tall. But I do get towered a fair amount as well. Yeah being 6'0-6'2 would be nice but sadly not everyone's genetics can allow them to be that way. Also I wouldn't consider you short.
Rollo Tomasi said on 13/Nov/16
"HonestSlovene said on 13/Nov/16
@Peter179cm I'd say that the average Dutchman is 183 cm and the average Frenchman 177 cm. 184 cm and 178 cm respectively for young people."

Netherlands are almost 181 cm according to their official statistic site CBS.nl. Might be a bit over 181 cm if one mean only young men age 20-35. Click Here

184 sounds way too much. Probably self-reported height with numbers from a too small population/group of people. There is no reason the dutch would be any taller than germans, austrians, scandinavians or any other germanic countries since they should have roughly the same genes plus pretty much the same living standards today.
Rollo Tomasi said on 13/Nov/16
"HonestSlovene said on 13/Nov/16
@Peter179cm I'd say that the average Dutchman is 183 cm and the average Frenchman 177 cm. 184 cm and 178 cm respectively for young people."

Netherlands are almost 181 cm according to their official statistic site CBS.nl. Might be a bit over 181 cm if one mean only young men age 20-35. Click Here

184 sounds way too much. Probably self-reported height with numbers from a too small population/group of people. There is no reason the dutch would be any taller than germans, austrians, scandinavians or any other germanic countries since they should have roughly the same genes plus pretty much the same living standards today.
Christian-196.2cm (6ft5.25) said on 13/Nov/16
Canary said on 11/Nov/16
This is my height chart and height categories for young American women. It's based on real statistics from a good source. It's not a collection of personal opinions. We all have opinions, but some of us can back them with facts.

Height, Classification, And Percentile:
4'11: anomalous (< 3rd)
5'0: extremely short (4th)
5'1: very short (9th)
5'2: short (18th)
5'3: below average (30th)
5'4: lower average (45th)
5'5: upper average (60th)
5'6: above average (74th)
5'7: tall (85th)
5'8: very tall (92nd)
5'9: extremely tall (96th)
5'10: extremely tall (97th)
5'11: anomalous (>97th)

Now, you may disagree with my classifications. However, they're based on official percentiles in place of personal opinions. FE, I think that some of the classifications seem "too tall" or "too short". My opinion is that 5'7 is not exactly tall, but the percentiles show that some of my personal opinions are incorrect, which is food for thought. :)

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I believe that "extremely tall/short" should only be used to describe a person with a height that is within either the 99th or 1st percentile for their gender. So in the US, that would be >6ft4 and <5ft2.5 for men, and >5ft10.75 and <4ft9.25 for women.
HonestSlovene said on 13/Nov/16
@Peter179cm I'd say that the average Dutchman is 183 cm and the average Frenchman 177 cm. 184 cm and 178 cm respectively for young people.
the Slav said on 13/Nov/16
@8-10% is too high.
Average is 180 cm - 10 cm above average is often times at the 95-98% percentile.
Nik said on 13/Nov/16
@Russ

In my opinion if you sat on a bench in most uk towns or villages all week or for even longer it could be very rare to see a man who is 6'6" + and it is quite likely you would not see any men at all who are this height or above. I can't remember the last time I saw a genuine 6'7" er although I have seen a few men close to that in as many years as I can remember. However like you said it may not be rare to see a man at least that tall in quite a few universities but even then it is significantly on the minority. May be in some affluent areas you may not find it that rare too. My point was that in most areas of the uk (including a number of cities) it would be rare at least to see a 6'6 + guy but nationally it wouldn't 'be as rare to see one but I think it is important to understand what I mean by rare. I am not saying rare as in virtually non existent nationally but merely in terms of only one in quite a few thousand men being so tall nationally.

For the record I suspect that the USA is similar to the uk really in that the citizens of both countries are diverse in terms of their heights. No the USA is not way taller than the uk but I think it is a little bit taller. Both are clearly taller than average nations internationally but I doubt either are amongst the very tallest nations in the world.
Sarah said on 13/Nov/16
@Rob Good point, I don't think that many actors would travel to Madame Tussaud's to have their height measured!
Editor Rob: quite a few do though, but they might not be measured with a stadiometer.

And it wouldn't surprise me if some agreed on the provision that they were rounded up to the nearest whole inch.
Peter 179cm said on 13/Nov/16
French guy is an upgrading troll,simple as that. Average Dutchman is 181cm and Frenchman 176cm including all ages,not sure about different ethnic groups so it might end up even lower.
Enzo said on 12/Nov/16
rob rob I woke up at 10am and on 8:30pm I was measured at 182.4cm with a box. Do you think I would be classified as a 6fter like Chris Evans or Christian bale ? Thank you.
Editor Rob: yes Enzo, I'd call you a six footer...
the Slav said on 12/Nov/16
@French guy

Lol whatever
James Edward Crowley Maximus Meridius said on 12/Nov/16
Rob do you believe metabolism and age is a myth the metabolism slows after 20 every every decade your metabolism slows down but I think it's all a myth do you agree some people in their 30s 40s 50s 60s and even 70s still have the same metabolism they had in their teens meaning they had the same body they had in teens why is that is there a reason maybe genetics has something to with it.
Editor Rob: Maximus, I don't think it's a myth, but it can vary from person to person and certain factors like lifestyle or health might impact it a bit more in some people.
Russ said on 12/Nov/16
Nik said on 10/Nov/16
@french guy

You say "the shortest are usually 176-177 cm". Well in England there are lot of young men under 176 cm and out of every 100 I would imagine a good amount are under 176 cm (may be about 40%) even though the average young Englishman I know would be about 5'10". You say it's not very common for a young French guy to be 170 cm yet I think it's common although quite a bit on the minority to see young English guys who are 170 cm or less (may be about 20%), By the way England is one of the taller nations in the world and is at least as tall or slightly taller a nation than France.

@Nik, I've seen wiki shows average height of young British men is 177.8cm by UK government's statistics. If every 100 young English men have 40% under 176, the average height of young men there cannot reach 177.8 cm. That means your country (UK) has lied about height of new generation .
Mark(5'9.25") said on 12/Nov/16
@french guy 185 cm is actually tall. So 6'0" is average. Hey, thank you for calling me short.
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Rollo Tomasi said on 12/Nov/16
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Mark(5'9.25") said on 12/Nov/16
I think most people on this site are taller than I. I really do want to be 6'0", but I'm starting to come to terms with my height just like with my violin.

Rob, is 5'9" considered short for most people? At times, I always get towered by 6'4"+ people and everyone (except my girlfriend) is kinda smirking at me for being short.
Gaza2121 said on 12/Nov/16
Rob, I'm 176.7-8 out of bed and 174.7-8 at night and I just say I'm 5'9 do you think that's a fair claim? Also when I measure myself and I mark the spot I look up and it looks like there's no way my head would be that high! Do you get that? I know it's cause of my eye level is a lot lower but still feels high. It makes it too hard for me to predict someone's height. Do I just go with if they're eye to eye with me? Thank you!
roy said on 12/Nov/16
@the average short(rick). It doesn't matter how old you are. Your back is not as straight as it should be. Even if your 40, your kyphosis and lordosis is preventing your spine from being straight. The brace will straighten your back and give you added height. Stop whining about things and do something about it. Straighten your back and do some planks to strengthen your abdominal muscles. The effort your putting into asking questions on this site could be used for efficiently. Let's hear back from you once you've made a change and added a few centimeters to your height.
Sarah said on 11/Nov/16
Rob, are the Madame Tussaud's wax figurines usually pretty accurate when it comes to height?
Editor Rob: think about it Sarah...many actors don't want a waxwork, so they are left to either take what the actor claims or go with research, much like what this site would do.
Canary said on 11/Nov/16
This is my height chart and height categories for young American women. It's based on real statistics from a good source. It's not a collection of personal opinions. We all have opinions, but some of us can back them with facts.

Height, Classification, And Percentile:
4'11: anomalous (< 3rd)
5'0: extremely short (4th)
5'1: very short (9th)
5'2: short (18th)
5'3: below average (30th)
5'4: lower average (45th)
5'5: upper average (60th)
5'6: above average (74th)
5'7: tall (85th)
5'8: very tall (92nd)
5'9: extremely tall (96th)
5'10: extremely tall (97th)
5'11: anomalous (>97th)

Now, you may disagree with my classifications. However, they're based on official percentiles in place of personal opinions. FE, I think that some of the classifications seem "too tall" or "too short". My opinion is that 5'7 is not exactly tall, but the percentiles show that some of my personal opinions are incorrect, which is food for thought. :)
Dan said on 11/Nov/16
Im 6'1 and I feel really tall everywhere except for my college. It's not uncommon to see guys taller than me around my college campus at all. I'd still say Im around 85-90th percentile though.
RobV said on 11/Nov/16
@ StevieG . You make a good point about people not being accurate (ie always assuming that guys are taller than they in fact are) but this is not so much lying or delusional as a pretty well known fact in terms of human perceptions and inability to judge on the details of people's appearance. I am tall already and I like to be the tallest guy in the room (a quirk of mine!) and when I add a bit of height I get to the height of your tallest rowing colleague (about 2m/6'7"). But when I was NOT adding as much height and was 'shorter', I routinely assumed guys to be 6'6" who in fact were much shorter (like 6'4"/6'3").

I am sure that other tall guys have at times said to your tallest guy stuff like 'you must be 6'10" at least'. I get this when I am at that 2m height. As you rightly imply, the 2m mark is very serious height and incredibly few people meet it. And that height above a certain level is both rare and much more 'serious tall' than people are saying. Others' inability to judge, though, it is not so much lying or delusion as inability to judge. I have said this before, but my mother works as a psychologist, a lot for the police, and she is always having to explain to baffled cops why witnesses at the scene of a crime swear that the alleged culprit is 5'9", 6' or 6'2", dark, blonde or brown haired and wearing a green, blue or red sweater!

When you see a guy taller than you, as well, you often overplay in your own mind how much taller - it adds to the fact that even people on here who are into height find it difficult to judge how tall they themselves are! "You should see him mate, he's AT LEAST 6'6" " (I have had this said to me by a friend about his co-worker) - but when you meet him at your full height he is nowhere near as tall as you and is probably really 'only' 6'4" (and that indeed is tall).
HonestSlovene said on 11/Nov/16
@the Slav only 3-4% of guys are 190 cm or taller in Denmark? I'd say definitely not 25 % but that is a low number and the actual truth would be something in between. The actual average in Denmark is about 180-181 cm for regular folks but 182 cm for young people and are at the top of the world when it comes to height (a bit taller than Germans/Austrians and other central Europeans at 179-180 cm BUT substantially shorter than people from the Balkan peninsula at 183-185 cm). I'd say 8-10% realistically, I could be wrong though-
Wipeout said on 11/Nov/16
I think an updated height chart for the modern first-world male is in order.

Abnormally Short: Below 5'4"
Very Short: 5'4" - 5'5"
Short: 5'6" - 5'7"
Below Average: 5'8" - 5'9"
Average: 5'10" - 5'11"
Above Average: 6'0" - 6'1"
Tall: 6'2"- 6'3"
Very Tall: 6'4" - 6'5"
Abnormally Tall: Over 6'5"
the average short said on 11/Nov/16
Ice and french guy are trolls

I do however believe the height statistics are skewed a little bit. So for instance most guys I see here over 50 are a lot of the time shorter than girls from my generation. My mates uncle is about 5'7 and he seems quite short around a lot of women. I do think height may of gone up by 0.5 to 1 inch among people who were born in the late 90's because they usually seem a bit taller that the older generations. Im not saying most guys are 6' and over but there is a hell of a lot more guys from my generation who clear 6'.
179cm said on 10/Nov/16
According to percentiles it's something like this:

Below 5'5" - short
5'5" - 5'9" - below average
5'9.5" - average
5'10"/5'11" - above average
6'0"/6'1" - tall
6'2" and over - very tall
jake said on 10/Nov/16
Stevie.G said on 8/Nov/16
I don't want to come off as mean but it seems a few people here are either liars or delusional regarding height.

My rowing crew were on tour, and when at a very busy mall we were all well above average, with the shortest of us being 6ft and the tallest 6ft7. Even the 6 footer was noticeably taller than maybe 80-85% of all men.

The people here saying that tall only starts at 6ft3-6ft4 really need to open their eyes to the real world. Our number 2 at just below 6ft4 is almost never shorter than any men outside of rowing circles and is considered much more than just tall by the vast majority of people.

In the real world I would go so far as to say that a legitimate 6ft man or woman would be reasonably tall with every inch above that solidifying your height in the tall category with 6ft3 being the start of very tall and 6ft5-6 being the start of huge.This being in the general public not sporting circles.
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I dont know who this guy is, but man that post was 100% gospel. Facts!
jake said on 10/Nov/16
Stevie.G said on 8/Nov/16
I don't want to come off as mean but it seems a few people here are either liars or delusional regarding height.

My rowing crew were on tour, and when at a very busy mall we were all well above average, with the shortest of us being 6ft and the tallest 6ft7. Even the 6 footer was noticeably taller than maybe 80-85% of all men.

The people here saying that tall only starts at 6ft3-6ft4 really need to open their eyes to the real world. Our number 2 at just below 6ft4 is almost never shorter than any men outside of rowing circles and is considered much more than just tall by the vast majority of people.

In the real world I would go so far as to say that a legitimate 6ft man or woman would be reasonably tall with every inch above that solidifying your height in the tall category with 6ft3 being the start of very tall and 6ft5-6 being the start of huge.This being in the general public not sporting circles.
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I dont know who this guy is, but man that post was 100% gospel. Facts!
Russ said on 10/Nov/16
When it comes to tall and short, sometimes it doesn't depend on average height. But depends on percent of people above 190 and 200. And sometimes depends how tall is tallest at your city/college/region/office building. The average height in US is 175 cm, but when I visited Seattle University, I have met a very tall student there, his height is 221 cm. Also I have seen a few of 2 meter guys and a ton of male students above 190. I don't think it would be safely to say 175 is average height at Seattle University.
Russ said on 10/Nov/16
french guy m said on 9/Nov/16
To the trolls who say the average height for young men in France is 178 cm , do you realise that there are way more 15 % of young men who are taller than 185 cm.
Aye you really serious?
Do you think that only 5% are taller than 190 cm?
Yesterday I came across a bunch of 30 young men, and 7 were atleast 190 cm.

I randomly come across 100 young men every day, there are always 20-25 who are taller than 190 cm.
And the shortest are usually 176-177 cm, a bit above 175 cm.
I can see a few guys who are around 170 cm but it's really not common.
And statistics? They are all.outdated and biased
Some of you don't want to accept the truth
And I never said French are taller than dutch, dutch are way taller.


@french guy m If a few of classes at some French high schools/colleges may reach 185 cm averagely. Like some Dutch classes at Holland high schools may reach 195 cm averagely. But the whole young French average must not be 185 cm.
Canary said on 10/Nov/16
Stevie G is right. Some posters type nonsense about height. Ordinary men and ordinary women are obviously shorter than these posters claim them to be. You should subtract two inches from their false claims.
Russ said on 10/Nov/16
Nik said on 7/Nov/16
@Kaneff

Yes I agree. In my experience in England it starts to get fairly rare to see a man above 6'3 and starts to get particularly rare to see a man who is about 6'6 or above, I have only seen maybe one or two men who are about 6'6 in a very very long time and I cannot remember the last time I saw a man of 6'7 in the flesh. My only recollection of any men who are 6'7 or above in as long as I can remember has been on tv, with Richard Osman and Peter Crouch (both 6'7) springing to mind.

@Nik Really? It is very rare to see a man above 6'7 in England. That means English are too short people. I attend an US university, I see a American student above 200 cm once a week on campus. I don't think US is way taller than England.
Russ said on 10/Nov/16
Lynx said on 3/Nov/16
@french guy 185 average in France? wtf are you talking about? lol
Im like 5'11 and when i went to Paris i edged most people there. 175 is average and 180 is tall.

@Lynx. If people is 175 averagely in Paris, then 180 cannot be considered tall. 5 cm Taller than average height is not tall.
french guy said on 10/Nov/16
@the slav

185 cm is 185 cm.
I can tell the difference between 178 cm and 185cm, everyone can.
I think you are a bit agressive.
185 cm is the average , at 183 cm you are below average but not short.
Greg said on 10/Nov/16
@Stevie.G and how tall are you if you don't mind me asking? Yeah pretty much a legit 6'4 would tower over 95% of people they encounter, the 6 footer probably around 80%ish percent.
c-mo said on 10/Nov/16
@Sully : thank you :)

I will do it soon .
179cm said on 10/Nov/16
@french guy

You're the troll if you post things that are factually inaccurate. An actual 185cm looks pretty tall. Majority who claim that height are probably only really 180-182cm.
Hafeez said on 10/Nov/16
Hey Rob:
I have to questions ..
1 . I f someone at the age 19 and gained about 3 mm !
Does that mean there is some height to gain next two years ?
2 . What is the normal increase in height per month ?

Sorry for my English
Much love and respect ...
JEREMY said on 10/Nov/16
what is the typical inseam for 6 ft 2.5 guy ?
Nik said on 10/Nov/16
@french guy

You say "the shortest are usually 176-177 cm". Well in England there are lot of young men under 176 cm and out of every 100 I would imagine a good amount are under 176 cm (may be about 40%) even though the average young Englishman I know would be about 5'10". You say it's not very common for a young French guy to be 170 cm yet I think it's common although quite a bit on the minority to see young English guys who are 170 cm or less (may be about 20%), By the way England is one of the taller nations in the world and is at least as tall or slightly taller a nation than France.

As for you saying the statistics are outdated and biased I think that height statistics if they are biased will be biased in favour of making an area or Country seem taller than it actually is rather than the other way round.
HonestSlovene said on 10/Nov/16
@Steve I'd say it finishes at about 183 cm and 180-182 cm is the grey zone between average and tall (178-179 cm is bang on average in EU, some places are taller, some are shorter). That is my dads range (5'11-6'0) and he looks a bit above average but very rarely (almost never) tall.
Canary said on 9/Nov/16
This is a bit different from the usual fare, but it might be fun. Will there ever come a time when your country is split between a much taller population and a much shorter population? If so, what circumstances would cause this kind of height disparity? Keep in mind that there was a time when Dutch girls were smaller than Indonesian girls.
Enzo said on 9/Nov/16
@rob rob I woke up at 10am and on 8:30pm I was measured at 182.4cm with a box. Do you think I would be classified as a 6fter like Chris Evans or Christian bale ? Thank you.
Rory said on 9/Nov/16
French guy is a moron anyway. You're looking at a guy who only judges the average height in France according to white males, black,brown males don't count apparently.
the Slav said on 9/Nov/16
@French guy

Consider a career as a comedian
the average short said on 9/Nov/16
@roy backbraces wont work now as my bones are done growing. Im in my 20's so I dont think it would be worth it now.
Giorgi said on 9/Nov/16
Rob, who was the first celebrity you added on your site?
Editor Rob: Giorgi, it was a fellow Robert from Scotland, so the first name was Robert Carlyle, then Julia Roberts, then Cruise...the number is all in the url.
the Slav said on 9/Nov/16
@French guy

You have absolutely no clue how tall a legit 185 and 190 cm guy looks like.
I think you should substract 7 cm from the heights you're guessing on the street.
In Denmark, not even 5% are 190 cm or over. It's 3-4 % tops and that's pushing it
Ice said on 9/Nov/16
@ French guy : Dutch average beeing Way higher than 185 cm ? So that must make them like 195 cm averagely ? lol
Christian-196.2cm (6ft5.25) said on 9/Nov/16
french guy m said on 9/Nov/16
To the trolls who say the average height for young men in France is 178 cm , do you realise that there are way more 15 % of young men who are taller than 185 cm.
Aye you really serious?
Do you think that only 5% are taller than 190 cm?
Yesterday I came across a bunch of 30 young men, and 7 were atleast 190 cm.

I randomly come across 100 young men every day, there are always 20-25 who are taller than 190 cm.
And the shortest are usually 176-177 cm, a bit above 175 cm.
I can see a few guys who are around 170 cm but it's really not common.
And statistics? They are all.outdated and biased
Some of you don't want to accept the truth
And I never said French are taller than dutch, dutch are way taller.

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So how tall is the average Dutch man according to you? 195cm? Give me a break.
french guy m said on 9/Nov/16
To the trolls who say the average height for young men in France is 178 cm , do you realise that there are way more 15 % of young men who are taller than 185 cm.
Aye you really serious?
Do you think that only 5% are taller than 190 cm?
Yesterday I came across a bunch of 30 young men, and 7 were atleast 190 cm.

I randomly come across 100 young men every day, there are always 20-25 who are taller than 190 cm.
And the shortest are usually 176-177 cm, a bit above 175 cm.
I can see a few guys who are around 170 cm but it's really not common.
And statistics? They are all.outdated and biased
Some of you don't want to accept the truth
And I never said French are taller than dutch, dutch are way taller.
Canary said on 8/Nov/16
I'm not surprised that one often sees tall men and tall women in certain sections of London. Richer people often are taller than poorer people. England even set a world record, for such height disparity, during the Industrial Revolution. Picture Dutch people with Indonesian people.
declan said on 8/Nov/16
rob what do you think of 179 cm as a height
i never feel tall or very small its weird
Editor Rob: declan, at 179cm I think anybody should feel average at worst. Only if you are in a group of tall guys would you feel short.
Stevie.G said on 8/Nov/16
I don't want to come off as mean but it seems a few people here are either liars or delusional regarding height.

My rowing crew were on tour, and when at a very busy mall we were all well above average, with the shortest of us being 6ft and the tallest 6ft7. Even the 6 footer was noticeably taller than maybe 80-85% of all men.

The people here saying that tall only starts at 6ft3-6ft4 really need to open their eyes to the real world. Our number 2 at just below 6ft4 is almost never shorter than any men outside of rowing circles and is considered much more than just tall by the vast majority of people.

In the real world I would go so far as to say that a legitimate 6ft man or woman would be reasonably tall with every inch above that solidifying your height in the tall category with 6ft3 being the start of very tall and 6ft5-6 being the start of huge.This being in the general public not sporting circles.
roy said on 8/Nov/16
@Rick,. Look up kyphosis posture brace on Amazon. You can wear it under your shirt and it's supposed to really help straighten your back slowly. You start out wearing it 20 minutes a day and build up. It's about 50 dollars but a much cheaper thing to try than the surgery. If your kyphosis is as bad as you say you probably would gain some height and any added height is better than nothing.
Sully said on 8/Nov/16
@c-mo
I absolutely loved you last post on height descriptions , i agree with all your thaughts on the different male heights ,being 175 cm in the night i completely feel average and am only 1 cm shorter than you at 176 cm.I hope you will continue where you stopped at 183-184cm and go to about 200cm , this will be epic.Thanks so much , and i hope my request will be granted.

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