How tall is Sylvester Stallone - Page 16

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Average Guess (602 Votes)
Peak: 5ft 8.89in (175cm)
Current: 5ft 8.02in (172.8cm)
Halb said on 12/May/09
Good full length shots Mickey. You reckon Sly looks 5'9ish there?
Don said on 12/May/09
GREAT pictures with McTavish mickey. clear, full body shots.

mctavish (who's listed as 6'2 everywhere) has 4 inches on sly easy. there is no way sly reaches 6 feet even with lifts in those pictures. 5'11.25 max. Subtract at least 2.25 inches for his giant lifts and you have a 5'9 guy.

the rambo premier pics provide a lot better evidence than the mcmahon picture mostly because sly and mcmahan are standing so far apart so it's pretty tough to gauge heights from that angle. plus mcmahon is not even 6'2 to begin with. as mickey said, 6'2 donald trump was clearly taller than him by at least an inch.

you can see the video here:

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skip to the 1:16 mark
Mickey said on 12/May/09
How much height do you think those Reeboks gave you Glenn? I remember you saying they gave virtually no height, am i correct?
glenn said on 12/May/09
those are Reeboks that were in style in the 80s.they brought them back for a bit,2 years ago.to no sales,i dont think.they were high tops.there was one other,high tops that gave more than my style.mine were the lesser ones.
Zach said on 12/May/09
Soviet_Rebel the pictures where Sly is standing with Schumacher I'm pretty sure Rob posted them first a few years ago and said Sly was in Nike Air Max type trainers. That would still put Sly with a slight footwear advantage given what formula one drivers wear, although obviously not munster levels.

Having said that personally I dont trust any footwear Sly wears. Here's Sly on holiday seemingly wearing regular Nike Air Max type trainers Click Here

On closer inspection however the elevator side of his footwear rears its ugly head once again Click Here
Mickey said on 12/May/09
Mcmahon's height is very widely debated, even Rob expresses skepticism on Vince's page.

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Here he is looking a consistent 2-3 inches shorter than 6'2ish Donald Trump. After decades of wrestling and injuries im pretty sure he would've lost height, he is in his mid 60s also. Some say he is 6ft now or just over.

Either way i see Sly standing military there with the effect whilst Vince is standing straight, but not as straight as Sly. I can see Sly at 6ft there, my opinion, given Mcmahon's height loss, Sly's stance advantage and lifts.

Heres something to consider:

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Here is Sly with a real 6'2" person. Sly is in massive lifts, giving 3 inches whilst McTravish is in thin shoes. Lets say his shoes give him on inch in height making him 6'3". Sly is still 4.5 inches shorter in lifts(McTarvish's eyes meet the top of Sly's head). Far from 6'1" here. 2 of those pics are full body shots on 2 different occasions. The ground is level, and McTarvish is a legit 6'2" who has not lost any height, and is relatively young at 48 yrs old.
Mickey said on 11/May/09
Yes but Glenn has said that his Reeboks gave him virtually no height. That is what Glenn said. Make of it what you will.
Soviet_Rebel said on 11/May/09
Leonari: thank you for your kind response..it's years since i am lurking this site and it's not my first post, probably you have not read the other ones.. anyway i think that those are EVIDENCES of Stallone being very near to 170cm. I am sure he was wearing lift, that's for sure, as Brad says: "Stallone walking New York City without lifts is like a G.I. in Iraq without his gun."

Anonymous: the pic has been originally posted by "Q".

DejaVu: Stallone in this comparison Click Here is 177cm max with elevator shoes on, this should put him very near to 170cm as the famous screenwriter Goldman writes: "I had a hot lead that Sly was 67 inches." going on to revealing his source was someone who was also that height and jogged with Sly one morning. He then describes how he went into a swimming pool that Sly was in...and about 10 minutes later, "He (sly) got out, grabbed a towel. I got out, grabbed a towel. He stood. I stood. Sixty-seven inches. Dripping wet.".

And i repeat, look at the pic with Schumacher posted by RisingForce Click Here where Schumacher (174) has F1 pilot shoes (max 1cm) and Sly has for sure his elevators, but they are at the same height!!! This should put Stallone nearly at 170cm. Wake up guys, he is very near to 170cm.
miko said on 11/May/09
Photo's are decieving, in that photo he looks no more than 3" shorter than 6"3.5 Hogan, but when they go "face to face" in the 2005 Hall of Fame video, Stallone was below Hogan's eyeline and around 5" shorter than him.

It was discussed ages ago that Hogan would have been 6"5 maximum in his footwear and Stallone at 5" shorter would come in at 6"0, then take the 3" munsters away and you get 5"9.

As for Vince McMahon, today he looks 6"0, not under this height and probably a little higher. Definately shorter than his peak of around 6"1. Here in a fairly recent photo, he is really struggling next to 6"2 pair Triple H and Shane McMahon.

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So McMahon would have been perhaps 6"1 in footwear in the photo, subtract the 0.5" shorter Stallone is and you can cancel out McMahon being fractionally closer by Stallones posture advantage, that again puts him at around 6"0 in his huge munsters, subtract and you get 5"9.
Big King said on 11/May/09
Stallone looks more than 2 inches taller than Glenn but Stallone is a weak 5'10" guy.
Antonio said on 11/May/09
RisingForce - That is all we do on this site ... ASSUME!
RisingForce said on 11/May/09
mickey, i think rob said Reeboks give 1.1 inches.

Editor Rob
there's a couple of main styles, one gives just about 1 inch, the other 1.2, there's a thicker version I've seen near gives 1.3 brand new aswell.
RisingForce said on 11/May/09
here's something that i just noticed. compare sly to vince mcmahon in this picture. Click Here vince is listed 6-1.5 on his page but a lot there say he's shrunk and is more like 6-0.75, 6-1 now. so vince would likely be about 6-2 in those shoes as they seem to have a bit of heel of atleast 1.25". vince is actually a bit closer to the camera and stallone is still MAX a half inch shorter. both seem to be holding good posture.

sly is wearing the same elevators he wore to the rocky balboa premiere. they aren't thick in the front and i doubt they give more than 3 inches. he really does look close to 6-2 there in elevators if vince is 6-2 in shoes.
Mickey said on 11/May/09
But Rising, Glenn said he was wearing his black Reeboks which give virtually no height whilst Sly was in "casuals". So even if they were not lifts, Sly is getting a footwear advantage over Glenn. He would be getting as much as 1.25 inches advantage over Glenn providing he was not in lifts.
Brad said on 11/May/09
Stallone walking New York City without lifts is like a G.I. in Iraq without his gun.
DejaVu said on 11/May/09
I think judging from the evidence between Jenny, Syl and Glenn. The maximum Stallone could be is 176cm and nothing higher.
bobo said on 11/May/09
I like Mel as well. But you cannae say he is not vain. He has had new hair, just like Stallone (whom I also have time for). They are part of that generation of movie stars which could never go bald. What I like about Statham is that he doesn't weat lifts or is he bothered about his hair. Fair play to him.
gilipollas said on 11/May/09
Bobo, Mel has been seen with his hair totally messed up and he even shaved it all. Also you can see him in Lethal Weapon barefoot many times. He said he was too short for playing James Bond. Would Sly say something like that?
bobo said on 11/May/09
gilipolas: So how come Gibson has had so much work done on his 'hair'? Stallone as well. He has more hair now then he did in Cliffhanger.
Anonymous said on 10/May/09
That's great work Soviet_Rebel. What a great idea. You should do this with other celebs, too! Of course we don't know what kind of lifts he was wearing, but we know he was obviously wearing them.

The only problem I see, is that you have drawn the red line above where the top of his head should be. It should probably be another .5" lower.

Great job!
leonari said on 10/May/09
Soviet_Rebel: Get outa here. Your first post and it's pure fiction. 170-172 is impossible for Stallone. The absolute lowest he could be is 174 but I think he truly is anywhere btw. 5'9-5'10" .These days I tend to believe rather 5'9" during most of his career and strangely taller these days.
Parker said on 10/May/09
Sly at 5'7?....think this is getting ridiculous. People will be saying he's 5'2 next.
Leonari - Can you post that barefoot video of Sly by the pool? No way is he a 5'7 guy. 5'9 minimum for sure.
RisingForce said on 10/May/09
except for glenn was at his lowest of 5-6.75 with jenny because glenn woke early in the morning that day. glenn woke in the late afternoon/early evening with stallone, not long before the photo was taken so i think he was atleast the 5-7.5 that rob lists him there. glenn also said it didn't look like sly had elevator shoes, so you can't assume he did. remember this wasn't an event, it was sly walking through nyc in 1997. i'm not saying he couldn't have had lifts, but you can't just assume he did. just like you can't assume sly was in elevators with schumacher without seeing his shoes.

if sly was as you say 3 cm taller in comparison then that would make him 5-10, 5-10.25 in glenn's pic. though i only see a 1 or 2 cm difference between sly and jenny, so 5-9.5, 5-10 MAX in that pic imo. though it was taken in the evening.
Soviet_Rebel said on 10/May/09
Q posted a very good comparison pic: Click Here

We know that Jenny is exactly 173.5 - 174 cm tall. From Q's comparison we can say that Stallone (from the pic with glenn) is (to be generous) 3cm taller than Jenny, so let's say 177cm for Sly. But Jenny is barefoot, instead Stallone is surely wearing elevator shoes, this Should put stallone at around 170-172 cm.

Another interesting picture is the one with Schumacher posted by RisingForce: Click Here

Schumacher has been accurately measured at 174cm and he wears F1 pilot shoes that give you max 1cm, Schumy and Sly are more or less the same height in this pic but again stallone is surely wearing elevator shoes , this should put stallone at around 170-172cm again.

NO WAY he can be 175cm (5'9")! Come on guys these are EVIDENCES that Sly isn't even 173cm (5'8"), he is really close to 170cm (5'7"). So i think it's time to DOWNGRADE.
RisingForce said on 10/May/09
well i do believe sly got more height conscience around 1985. i remember that shoemaker difabrizio guy who made shoes for sly saying that sly asked him to make elevator shoes for him when he started dating brigitte nielsen. di fabrizio said something like "i evened them up". remember heels and lifts are different. he wore heels 2+ inches often in the 70's and early 80's, but that was also part of the style at the time(look at legit 6 ft john travolta's heels in saturday night fever). now i'm certainly not saying he didn't wear big heels with looking taller in mind, but maybe the mid 80's is when he started putting lifts in his shoes and wearing custom elevator shoes. you'll notice that from the mid 80's the visible heel on his shoes was a lot smaller, but they were thicker, more unusual looking and chunkier. the mid 80's is really when sly started to get called short as well. possibly that's because he was dating a 6 ft tall woman and he was more famous than ever. in 1985 rambo 2 was the number 2 movie that year and rocky 4 was number 3, behind only back to the future. the more famous you are, the more the tabloids pick at you.

my theory is that he switched from heels to elevator shoes/lifts around 1985/1986. atleast that's the impression i got from that article with pasquele di fabrizio. you'll also notice that while he usually held good posture early on, he seemed to start the chest out stallone effect around 1985.
leonari said on 10/May/09
He truly does look "longer "these days which is kinda out of sync with the fact that he got larger with age which is normal. He was pure muscle back in the 80's but still very slim. Something fishy is going on with him cause he always wore lifts. It's not like Robert Downey who started his lift career in the new millennium. If he had Limb Lengthening surgery he is a bit crazy cause this surgery is no walk in the park. It's risky, painful and the recovery time is longer than any other surgery out there.
leonari said on 10/May/09
I watched Paradise Alley yesterday for the first time. I liked it. Nothing special. But Sly really does look short throughout the movie. Probably never seen him look that short in any of his movies. Watch it guys. It's a rare Sly flick and in my opinion looks as if he was shorter than Armand Assante throughout the movie. Just half inch but still.
bobo said on 10/May/09
I agree MIckey. Although for me, the occasional burst of emotional insanity from the usual suspects is what keeps me coming back. I don't need to post pics cos everyone else does.
RisingForce said on 9/May/09
fair enough mickey. i'll go by my picture though, to me the conditions seem better, in fact almost ideal for comparing height. full body shot, no noticeable camera advantage, though i do see your point, but the 2 full body shots show sly about an inch taller. that's what i'll go by.

i personally don't believe he had leg legnthening surgery, but it's possible. if he did it'd likely be late 90's, though he really seemed to look taller around 2005/2006. not only does he measure up better to people these days, but he also looks bigger and longer overall.
Parker said on 9/May/09
The stallone height debate will never stop, but its pics like this that convince
me that he cannot be under 5'9. If Demi Moore is 5'4.5 as listed on this site
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Stallone has a solid 4 inches on her. His shoes look flat to me.
gilipollas said on 9/May/09
has anyone seen the pic of sly posing with claudia schiffer both barefeet and naked? I saw the first and original one and sly was shorter BUT now i find in the internet the modified pic showing Sly a tad bit taller. AMAZING.
Zach said on 9/May/09
Gilipollas its not absurd at all. Arnold has clearly shrunk whilst Sly hasn't, possibly standing even fractionally taller today after years of stretching and better footwear.

You do have a point though, some of the heights he pulls of today you just couldnt see him doing so in the 80s (next to Lundgren, Tarver etc.)and some of the footwear he wore back in the 80s were just outrageous Click Here I mean do you know how far up those heels go? I dont.

Danimal has said several times Sly may have gotten leg lengthening surgery, and as absurd as it sounded to me initially sometimes I'm inclined to believe it.

Here's Sly showing how tall he'll be by the time he's 70 Click Here I like this picture very much.
Don said on 9/May/09
why do i have a feeling this sly forum is reverting back to its old self..
Brad said on 9/May/09
Of course Mickey. Same height as Caan: 5' 8.5". Caught in the spikes. I've seen Caan in person in recently, he's no way near 5' 10".
gilipollas said on 9/May/09
Damial, now Glenn is gonna say that ARNOLD was 6-2 at the time of that pic with Sly. Its so funny when everyone in the 80s recall Sly as a short man now some people think hes average when he reached over 60! absurd.
Mickey said on 9/May/09
While i don't want this turning into a "my picture is better than yours" match, i'd like to show you this one:

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Same day, probably taken seconds after the picture you just posted Rising. Caan has his head tilted(hence the uneven eye level" but the higher eye is higher than Sly's higher eye. Sly slightly closer to the camera also. Just showing "the other side of the coin". I would imagine they are both very similar in height. If Sly's posture was bad and Caan's was good, Caan would look taller, and the same applies if it was the opposite situation, my opinion anyway.

I have to say that even though Rising was only gone for a week or 2, i did miss having some opposite views and someone who actually posts pictures. Alot of people here(not all), just come on and say "Sly is 5'11"" or "Sly is 5'8" he is tiny" and thats all. Having people like Rising, Zach, Tellem, Glenn, Mamun(Supermun),Danimal, Dural who post pictures make this site much better.
RisingForce said on 9/May/09
Here's a different picture of Stallone and James Caan. This one is better than the other full body shot I've posted. Click Here sly is leaning a bit, so i don't see him having "the effect" advantage. caan is listed here at 5-9 these days, but i still think he's 5-9.5.

I don't have a wireimage account so I had to save a smaller version of the pic and enlarge it(hence the poor quality). but regardless I don't see less than an inch difference between the two. according to that site, sly had a broken foot, which must be the reason for the cast on one foot. as it is, lifts in golf shoes are unlikely, but lifts with a broken foot? i really don't see anyone trying that.

He does seem under 5-9 in Danimal's picture. odd picture, that's like the difference between sly and arnold in a lot of 80's/early 90's pictures, but it looks recent.
Danimal said on 9/May/09
Parker says on 8/May/09
Rising Force - Welcome back. The site's been poorer without you. I for one enjoy reading them. Ignore the negative comments. Everyone has choices, if people see a name against the post, they can choose not to read them.

He was only gone for a few days???
Danimal said on 9/May/09
Rob, please post this pic of Stallone and Arnold on this page as well. It clearly shows Stallone at nowhere near 5'10". Thanks. Click Here
bam said on 9/May/09
risingforce you may have solved the mystery of sly's height.I'm thinking 5'10.75 is too high though.
gilipollas said on 9/May/09
Glenn, what does dolph have to do with this? yeah i stood beside him at a kyokushinkai event. Monster HUMMER absurd type shoes sly was wearing while promoting Rocky Balboa with lifts inside add 3 inches, believe me. Someone that is 5-10 wouldnt be so obvoiusly obssessed with his height. I understand it if ur like Bono...
bobo said on 9/May/09
Can you all stop with the 'morning height' routine. Give it a rest. Its silly. Without those shoes Stallone would be below Statham's height. If you really want to argue for a 5.10 Sly then go to Statham's page and be consistent there.

Heavy bags, morning height, hes been in the gym. Its nonsense.
glenn said on 8/May/09
gilipollas-lifts usually give 2 inches.some give 3ish.very rare they give more.in boots maybe.but not in the shoes sly wears.have you ever seen stand next to 6-5 dolph lungren at event? he looks 6-2 there.maybe dolph is 6-4 nowadays and sly looks 6-1.dolph lived near me and was indeed 6-5.he told me too.
glenn said on 8/May/09
mickey-im joking.though brad did say that.thats the same pic im refering to.its slys position thats making look eye level.
Q said on 8/May/09
RForce, I am going to say it again, the 7th time:

A height loss of 1.1% from the peak height is THE UPPER LIMIT for daily height loss... It is NOT THE AVERAGE..... It is not possible to loose 1.8%. This value is against the published, scientifically proven range for daily human height variation.

This is NOT MY OWN OPINION, it is the scientific reality. Your refusal to accepting this does not change the reality. But your refusal to acknowledge the scientific facts and your insistence on the height loss values that contradicts with the proven science UNDERMINES YOUR CREDIBILITY.
glenn said on 8/May/09
i dont have a problem with stallone 5-9 at night.
Parker said on 8/May/09
Rising Force - Welcome back. The site's been poorer without you. I for one enjoy reading them. Ignore the negative comments. Everyone has choices, if people see a name against the post, they can choose not to read them.

Shortest I ever saw Sly was the barefoot shot on the beach with Bridgett Nielson, looked to me like he was struggling with 5'9 in that one, although I keep coming back to the ETV team photo where he looked 5'10 next to Mike Summerbee..who I know is around 5'10. I see him quite regularly. He really is an enigma. Can't see him shorter than 5'9....
RisingForce said on 8/May/09
q, i shrink 1 1/8 inch max so i don't care what averages are. not everyone is average at anything, in almost all areas many are far above average.

steve, mickey asked me several questions and i answered them. i did nothing wrong. part of my post was a fairly long quote from sly himself about working out, followed by the link, that made the post longer. only my first post back was particularly long. aside from you and zach, i've gotten only positive comments upon returning so i really don't see a need to change anything at this point.
Q said on 8/May/09
RFORCE SAYS: "shrinking an inch, an inch and a quarter isn't that unlikely" for Stallone (see his last post)

MY REPLAY: What is your evidence that a human who measures is around 5'8" - 5'10" can loose 1.25" from his peak height? Where did you read this please? Let me tell you something; what you CLAIM with no evidence is not just unlikely; it is in fact NOT POSSIBLE! The scientific human height variation studies say that

Most people will loose around 1% or less from their peak height and it is extremely rare to find someone who looses as much as 1.1% from his/her peak height. (To verify this, please see the links to the relevant academic papers that I have posted on Rob' page a few days ago)

The height loss you are suggesting is

1.25'' = 3.175cm
5'10" = 177.8 cm

3.175 / 177.8= 1.8%

According to the scientific data, an height loss of 1.8% from the peak is OFF THE CHARTS, i.e. it is beyond the upper limit of the daily allowed height loss margin. So you are WRONG!
Steve said on 8/May/09
Risingforce will you at least spare everyone the eyesore of your extensive essays? We know you're desperate to promote a 5'10.75 Sly you don't need to type endlessly. It was refreshing for a few days to be able to read other people's opinions before you went back on your word and started flooding the page again.
RisingForce said on 8/May/09
thanks mickey. here are my thoughts on the pic. sly looks an inch taller there imo, whether it's because of the camera advantage/possible ground advantage or not, i don't know. we can only see one of sly's eyes too, maybe that's the lower one? comparing statham's lower eye, it's about an inch below sly's one visible eye. of course sly may not have either eye raised like statham, but that's impossible to know. oddly sly looks taller in the 2 pics from the same day that i posted where he's possibly at a disadvantage than in your pic where he possibly has an advantage.

yes, i think sly could shrink to as low as 5-9.5 evening height even if he's 5-10.5/5-10.75 in the morning. he works out a lot through the day, and i know atleast in 1993 he said he started lifting heavy weights early in the morning.

"Every morning I crawl out of bed," he went on, "I sit there and think, 'Do I really need this?' And I drag myself to the gym in my garage. It's not fun. I hate it. I work out alone. Weights. I got 25 different complicated machines and you're all alone and you're stiff and you still got sleep in your eyes and every bone in your body hurts and you look at the machine and you know there are 390 or 400 pounds on it and the heaviest thing you've been lifting for eight hours is a pillow. I do not like it."

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i'd imagine that at his age and with his workout schedule, shrinking an inch, an inch and a quarter isn't that unlikely. depending on how physical my day is, i've shrunk as much as 1 1/8 inches and i'm just half of sly's age in the 1997 pic. i do think he's still 5-10 some evenings though. 5-9.5, maybe scraping 5-10 does seem to fit well if glenn is 5-7.5 there.
miko said on 8/May/09
Barefoot Statham would probably have an edge on Sly.
Mickey said on 8/May/09
Your post was very nice Rising, really. It was both surprising and brave i thought. I don't have a problem at all with you coming back, especially with this open mind your displaying now, i hope it stays. Welcome back.

In response to your question on Jennifer, i personally think she is 5'9" max, although i believe she might be slightly lower, so you could say thats her morning height.

Am i correct in thinking you think Sly could dip to 5'9.5" in the evening?

Whats your view on this picture?

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I know you have seen it before. Their eye levels do match, the top of Sly's head might be higher but he is closer to the camera and most likely(my thoughts) has footwear advantage. You can't really go by chin level as Statham looks like he is chewing gum or something like that.

And Glenn, what do you mean "im 5'5" as Brad said"?
gilipollas said on 8/May/09
bobo, ur so right! if Sly was 5-10 he would be a 6-2 easily in those H-U-G-E monster shoes plus lifts he wears and he hardly reaches the 5'11.5''
The debate is weather sly is 5-8.5 max or even less.
glenn said on 8/May/09
zach-he had casuals.sure,there could be lifts.i saw dress shoes other times.no lifts.5-11.or if he did have a small lift,he would have to be 5-9ish at night,cause i saw his ankles very well at one point.
Doug said on 8/May/09
Bobo why then does Rob have Vin Diesel at 6'0" flat BAREFOOT? Because he clearly is 5'11.5-6'0. I have no idea how a reference to 5'11 1/2 is "a bit sad". Diesel is a weak 6'0 barefoot most likely 5'11.5". And yes the man can often look 6'1".
bobo said on 8/May/09
You pick some very odd pics to argue your case and downplay the Statham pics which show roughly the same height for Sly and Statham and yet SLy is wearing big shoes. Statham's foot wear is normal and as far as I am aware he like shis noram shoes, always in Pap pics wearing flip flops or sneakers. I have never seen him wear stupid Sly shoes even when he is doing press conferences with Tall women (for the Bank Job)

Lets be generous and say that SLy's shoes only give him 1 inch (so they are pretty much normal for a movie star) that still takes him below 5.10.

I don't understand why you aren't on Statham's thread arguing for 5.10 there.

At least be consistent.

If he was 5.10 he would look 5.11 or 6 foot in those shoes. He doesn't. He aint.

Let me ask you. IS that a 5.11 or even a 6 foot guy standing next to Statham?

NO

YOu lot seem to think this is celebheightswithshoeson.com.

We are here to debate BAREFOOT heights. Barefoot means no shoes. NO SHOES. Imagine SLy and Statham with no shoes on those pics. WOuld you still say Sly was 5.10? hahahahaha
RisingForce said on 8/May/09
thanks annoyed, glenn, derek d, joseph and don. and yes don it was a bit long, but i wanted to cover everything in that post. alright zach, you got a couple of shots in, can we move on?

here are my views on the statham/stallone comparison. here are the pics where sly looks the tallest in the series. Click Here Click Here sly is farther from the camera, slouching atleast as much and i see no ground advantage for sly(if anything the ground statham's on seems slightly higher). yes sly's in bulky footwear but statham is in large boots himself with a bigger visible heel than sly, though it's still more likely sly is wearing lifts than statham. however with statham already wearing 1.75, 2 inch boots i don't see sly making up the 2 inch difference i see with lifts there, maybe he gains 1 inch in footwear over jason.

this picture imo would be excellent as a stand alone pic showing them the same height. Click Here but with this picture from the same day showing jason closer to the camera and shorter than sly who has his head down Click Here it does suggest the ground was off in atleast one picture, if not both considering the varying heights in each picture taken on the same day. that's why i see sly taller and probably why glenn and bam do as well.

regarding the stallone and jenny comparison, glenn woke mornings in the pic with jenny and 3, 4 pm if i'm not mistaken in the pic with sly. he likely was atleast a half inch shorter with jenny, maybe 3/4 of an inch. so add the half inch difference between sly and jenny along with the half to 3/4 inch difference in glenn's heights and that puts sly 5-9.5, 5-9.75 evening if glenn was 5-7.5 in the photo with sly, which i believe he was if he woke late afternoon. he was just 5-6.7 in the pic with jenny.
Zach said on 7/May/09
Q that's some nice graphic work. You didn't have to list 5'6.7 as Glenn's height though as thats such a contentious point at the moment. Nonetheless the significant thing from your picture is the height difference between Stallone and Jenny, Sly has half an inch on her at most. Glenn was at his lowest with Jenny, but conversely I think I remember him saying Sly was in dress shoes with the possiblity of a one inch lift. And Sly without lifts is like most people going out without clothes. I noticed a phd thesis below obscuring half the page. Risingforce is back it seems after his two week 'permanent' leave, as many of us guessed he would. Nice use of the sympathy vote.
Annoyed said on 7/May/09
good to have you back Rising. Very good post, balanced and logical, accepting all evidence that opposes your own view.

and Sly is between 5'9" and 5'10". You can take that to the bank. In MY opinion.
glenn said on 7/May/09
i just woke up in the pic above left.5pm.and no heavy bags.i was slight ly below 5-7.5 at worse.on the right,was at 2am.i did a slight tip toe,cause as brad said,im 5-5.
glenn said on 7/May/09
of course you would day nice work vaj.you cant even tell height.go to the owens wilson page for another that backs me that he saw owen near 5-11.you saw him at 5-9,correct? and cindy crawford at 5-8? the whole world knows she is 5-9 to 5-10.however in your defense i must say i saw a barefoot pic of her just yesterday where she looked 5-5 to 5-7.so maybe your on to something in her.at least 5-8 on her isnt ridiculous.you dont even accept that people shrink during the day.neither did i.
glenn said on 7/May/09
great post risingforce.and great to see you back!. no doubt stallone can look 5-8.5.but my 5-10,5-11 friends can look 5-9 to me with their weight and or posture.5-10 is the most tricky height of all.look below 5-9 with bad posture.6ft in the right footwear.
Brad said on 7/May/09
When is Rising going to write a booklet on Sly's height and sell it on Amazon? It might sell a few units. Make some bucks. The young Jen & Sly picture is killer....right up there with Hopper in the golf shoes.
Don said on 7/May/09
rising,

welcome back. a good enjoyable post, albeit maybe a tad too long. but i really like the direction you are taking with this, looking at both ends of the spectrum and having an unbiased view.
derek d said on 7/May/09
Great post risingforce. Very interesting.
Joseph said on 7/May/09
Very good and in-depth post, RisingForce. Thank you!
RisingForce said on 7/May/09
i decided to give this a try to see about returning thanks to the nice posts by leung, glenn, annoyed, leonari, parker, acg ect. heres what i think is the truly best evidence showing sly under convincingly 5-10 or 5-10.75. i'm sorry if this is long or looks like an essay, but really it's just a few pictures with a little commentary on each.

this is the best picture showing sly obviously under 5-10 imo. Click Here there he does look convingly 5-9, possobly 5-8.5 and theres an excellent chance they're barefoot. could sly be bending/crossing his legs? could jen be tip toeing for the pose? could she be losing height because of her posture. of course, all 3 however are speculation. thats why thats the most convincing for the 5-8.5/5-9 supporters imo.

now the second most convincing imo. Click Here now as it is they look the same height imo and schumacher is 5-8.5 as the lines pretty much match up. Click Here however sly is tilting his head so at the very least i think he'd be a bit taller. i also feel that the picture is tilted based on the people in the backround, but becayse there isn't really an object to compare them too i understand if people dont share that belief. so i can see what the 5-8.5/5-9 supporters see in that picture.

then you have this, which is an excellent picture of sly in apparently normal dress shoes which would give 1 or 1.25 inches. Click Here he does look at the very least an inch shorter, maybe an inch and a half. some say 2 inches, but i cant see that considering sly's head reaches atleast jens hairline. so likely a 1 inch difference imo, but im fine with a 1.5 difference. Click Here so then it depends on what kind of heels shes wearing. with a 2 inch heel she'd be 5-11 making sly 5-9.5 to 5-10 IN dress shoes, its not rocket science to figure out what he'd be if those were 2.3 heels, 2.5 heels, 3.2 heels or 4 inch platform heels. now i doubt shes in 4 inch platform heels, but i also doubt shes in low heels given thats the shortest ive seen sly look with jen, but in fairness its one of the few times it appears he isnt in elevators. anyway i think shes probably 3.1, 3.2 heels(although thats purely speculation) making her slightly over 6 feet in heels(at 5-9 barefoot). that'd give sly roughly a minimum of 5-8.75 and an absolute max of 5-10, 5-10.25 barefoot.

though one thing i'd like to address is jens height. as ive always stated i feel 5-10.5, 5-10.75 is only sly's max height in the morning. i feel hes 5-9.5 to 5-10 in the evening depending on his day. so im wondering if everyone thinks 5-9 is jens morning or midday/evening height. imo it does seem like shes taller than that in the morning although in fairness glenn said 5-9 max. mr. r i believe said she was 5-10.

anyway here's another one of the better pics showing sly shorter, one mickey has posted a lot. Click Here this shows sly who was wearing atleast 1.5/1.75 shoes(maybe more if he had lifts) struggling to look 5-10.75 even compared to arnold in converse or bruce in sandals. however this picture from the same day shows sly quite a bit taller and hes slouching a bit(as are arnold and bruce). Click Here here he looks about bruces height and only 2 inches shorter than arnold who is closer to the camera. something odd is going on with pictures from that day because i cant find anything visibly wrong with the other picture that could be throwing it off, but the same could be said about the latter picture.

now one last thing i'd like to address is the janice dickenson picture. when i argued that mid-stride pictures weren't accurate some agreed, but said that a man an inch taller wouldn't look 2 inches shorter regardless. i argued that he didnt look 2 inches shorter in the picture. look at how close their eye level is. Click Here and the lines drawn from their feet show their back feet are lined up and janice's front foot is actually ahead of sly's so no camera advantage for sly. so janice looking slightly taller in a mid-stride pic is not reliable imo.

2 last things. yes he looks 5-9.5 MAX compared to a 6 ft ray liotta in the cop land scene and yes thats good evidence as well, but like all pics/videos its not conclusive, especially with all of the slouching and the fact that its outside meaning ground level is always a bit of a factor. good evidence sly isnt 5-10, but not conclusive.

now regarding the mr. t comparison, i don't think that's good evidence because mr. t's height is all over the place. imo he's atleast 5-11, but he can pass for 6-1(which is what he was listed at in the 80's). hes barely shorter than 6-1 minimum carl weathers here. Click Here here mr. t looks close to, if not 6-1 with 6-6 hulk hogan. Click Here and thats with no visible footwear advantage. Click Here look at mr. t here with 6-2 gene hackman(who is possibly wearing cowboy boots) Click Here mr. t is standing BEHIND, hackman has boots and hes still just 3 inches shorter! so my belief that mr. t was atleast 5-11 and was hiding lifts in those cowboy boots next to weathers/stallone does look very possible.

as far as glenns pic on the left, dont forget that glenn use to wake in the late afternoon meaning he'd be atleast 5-7.5 in that pic. i, like leonari see 2.5 max, but possibly a 2 inch difference. sly, from what ive read(specifically a 1993 ny times article) woke mornings and started working out early in the day. meaning if he shrunk 0.75 to 1.25 inches by the evening that'd give him an evening height in the range of 5-9.5 to 5-10 if he was 5-10.75 morning. that adds up if glenn was 5-7.5 in that pic and sly shrinking that much also makes sense given that he was already in his 50's at the time of the pic and he works out like crazy.

so as you can see, i do see sly convincingly under 5-10 in more than a handful of pics/videos. aside from those mentioned he did seem 5-9 flat in a couple of the pics with jack nicholson but another showed sly looking 5-10.5 on the golf course. but ive seen even more pics/videos of sly in flat type shoes with very little chance of lifts looking 5-10+. there is some great evidence hes not that tall, but not enough imo. i dont think i have any bias though, thats why i felt the need to acknowledge what i feel are the very good pics where he looks truly under 5-10. i can see him as low as 5-8.5, 5-9 in a few pics. i only bring up hypothetical things possibly throwing it off because some of you do the same(lifts in golf shoes, lifts in slippers, tip toes ect.)

but those of you who had a problem with me in the past, if you're willing to start fresh then so am i. pretend i'm a new poster, if not then returning clearly won't be the best thing, but if you're willing to start fresh and judge my posts starting now instead of past posts then i'll be happy to post here(though less frequently). i hope this shows that i am open to pics showing sly shorter than 5-10.
Brad said on 7/May/09
According to Glenn's height loss theory he's 5' 5 3/4" on the right and on his tip toes. That's one short 5' 10.75" action hero on the right. Look at Glenn with Jenny, that's under 5' 7". Mamun is correct in his opinion, so is Frank2. This 1/4" under 5' 11" is sad, it really is. Can you imagine clicking on this site for the first time and seeing just under 5' 11" as his listed height?
bobo said on 7/May/09
DOUG
The guy never looks over 6 feet even with his clown shoes.

5. 10 is more realistic. The Clown shoes take him to just under 6 foot but thats as far as he gets. The personal sightings, the psychological evidence, the shoe evidence all point to 5 10.

5.11.5 is a bit sad. Why not say just say 6 foot? If he was this high he would not wear his silly shoes AND he would LOOK that high on camera. He doesn't. He aint.
Don said on 7/May/09
doug ur not taking into account the footwear. there is a great chance that sly has footwear advantage over glenn in the left picture (why wouldn't he?)
Mickey said on 7/May/09
Interesting Q.
Brad said on 7/May/09
Great work Q. I already said that but that photo is proof Stallone is only 5' 9" when in "effect". Maybe Sly needs those sandals.
Doug said on 7/May/09
Q why would you assume that in the picture above Glenn is only 5'6.7"? If Glenn gets up in the evneing wouldn't he be standing a lot taller than that when this picture was taken? You;ve proved the point that Stallone is clearly minimum 5'9" and most likely more. 5'9.5" for Stallone I bet
Doug said on 7/May/09
Bobo, Vin Diesel is 5'11.5" and wears lifts.
Doug said on 7/May/09
No Q Stallone is clearly more than 0.25 inches taller than Jenny you're line is not even level with her head. The picture at the VERY LOWEST proves that Stallone is MINIUMUM 5'9". You measured Glenn at his VERY lowest. and even at lowest he is generally around 5'7". This prooves that Stallone is 5'9-5'9.5" at his lowest and in the morning is likely 5'10" where as Glenn is 5'7.5-5'8". Q's "work" proves that Stallone is a legit 5'9"ers minimum.
Don said on 7/May/09
Q,

nice job. but this is assuming that sly and glenn's footwear are the same level, which is highly questionable in itself. if sly does have footwear advantage (good chance he does), then we can knock down some more from supposed 5'9.
vaj said on 7/May/09
Q,
Nice work!
Q said on 7/May/09
On the following photo, we know that Jenny was measured 5'8.5" and Glenn was measured exactly 5'6.7". Therefore Stallone appears to be no more than 5'9"; perhaps he is around 5'8.75".

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bobo said on 7/May/09
leonari: My only point was that there are many below 5.11 celebs who wear lifts. I can't think of one above 5.11 who wears lifts. That was the point i was making.
glenn said on 6/May/09
i meant stallones' positioning rather.sorry if i confused you.oops.lol.but some of the angles might be funny in other pics.
Mickey said on 6/May/09
Hmmm i am trying to see the angles you are talking about Glenn, i really am, but i can't. The angle in both pictures is really dead on, not favouring either Sly or Statham. My other pics of them weren't the best thats why i omitted them but the last to i posted seem like really good pics. Thats even without factoring Sly camera advantage in one picture and his most likely footwear advantage.

I don't have pictures of Sly looking taller then Statham, someone else had posted them, il try find them.
bobo said on 6/May/09
well done anonymous, about time you you made sense.
leonari said on 5/May/09
Bobo: I always said there is a good chance Sly could be less than 5'10". But even if he is 5'9" that is still not shortish. In your destorted reality anything below 5'11" is short and anything above is tall. The world is not black or white fool! It's grey!
glenn said on 5/May/09
i would love robs opinion on those statham pics.he would say the same thing i would.the slopes and the angles strangely trick some.when we do get a clear pic of the 2 of them almost shoulder to shoulder,its clear sly is 2 inches taller.rob???? please mickey do post the pics of sly looking tall next to jason as well,again.i want robs opinion for once.if you havnt already.i only clicked on the bad angle one.

Editor Rob
the ground isn't good with sly/statham.
leonari said on 5/May/09
I only see 2.5 inches btw. Glenn and Sly on the left pic...
glenn said on 5/May/09
since some here dont get out of the house,i know for a fact,men 6ft and up that wear lifts.and they are not celebs.
glenn said on 5/May/09
mickey-i love you,,but i dont see it.its the angles.i dont know how you dont notice that.straighten or rather position sly shoulder to shoulder with statham.yes,sly can be wearing something.im not sayin he is 5-11.hell no.im saying he looks it.cause he is 5-10 barefoot there.and jason is 5-9.but slys body is longer than jasons and looks in place.doesnt look odd like downey jr or cruise can.
glenn said on 5/May/09
no mamun wouldnt lie,nor frank2,but they are wrong.mamun mentioned shatner at 5-7 and frank2 metioned colin farrell at 5-8,and patrick stewart at 5-8(though i think thats a small possiblity)and one other big name i cant think of(not that patrick s' a-list),and got heat for it.of course he was accurate on some.and was a true legend.i admired the mans history.mamun i love.
Zach said on 5/May/09
Fully agree with Derek and others. I fully respect Glenn's sightings and he's obviously more credible than most on here. But in terms of Expendables I've been closely keeping an eye on Sly/Statham and honestly they seem level almost all the time. On top of that Mickey's pictures show that Sly is again donning elevator footwear, which makes me think he is no more than 5'9.
derek d said on 5/May/09
I believe that Sly is 5'9, 5'8.5 - 5'8 at the very worst but I do not believe Franks 5'7 estimate. It just doesn't add up. He claimed Sly in his heeled cowboy boots (with the possibility of having lifts inside) made him slightly taller than himself (Frank2). Frank claims to be 5'11 which would make him at least 6ft in shoes or more. So that means Sly must have looked at least 6'.05 in his shoes if he was slightly taller than Frank. If Sly looked 5'7 when he took his shoes off, then thats a 5 and a half inch difference! There is no way he could of packed that much lift into cowboy boots, maybe in to his demolition man/judge dread boots but not cowboy boots.
Brad said on 5/May/09
Mamun wouldn't lie nor wood (site grammar) Frank2. How refreshing, no Rising with his paragraphs of slop over Mickey's great photos.
Anonymous said on 5/May/09
I believe Mamum and Frank 2's sightings of 5-7-5-8, especially Frank2 since he saw him barefoot.
Brad said on 5/May/09
Great photos Mickey. Correct Greg. Take out the added custom boost and Sly is the literally the same height as Jenny & Glenn in photos. Jenny isn't 5' 10.75".
gilipollas said on 5/May/09
SORRY i meant 5.8 MAX for Sly. It looks as if some sly is 5-10 defenders get paid or sumfin'...
Mickey said on 5/May/09
Glenn, while i appreciate your contributions here and your great stories, i must intervene here as you say Sly looks 5'11" compared to Jason Statham.

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Here Sly and Jason are look eye to eye, no slopes or ground advantages, but Sly is closer to the camera. Sly's shoes could also very well be packing huge lifts, as they do look big.

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Here Jason is slouching visibly and looks taller than Sly who is standing much straighter. There angle is dead on in both pictures.

Also i rarely ever(if ever) have seen Sly looking more then 6ft in lifts. How can Sly measure 6'1" agaisnt Dolph(who is in the 6'4" range) when Sly can barely hit 6ft in massive lifts agaisnt 6'2ish McTarvish?

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All those shots are on flat surfaces, 2 out of 3 of those shots are full body shots and we know that McTarvish is wearing thin footwear and Sly in lifts in all those shots. The same cannot be said with pictures of Sly "looking" 6'1.5" with Tom Arnold, Dolph etc. Those were not full body shots and Sly generally had much better posture(as is the case 95% of the time).

Again i'm not trying to argue with you Glenn or make you try and believe Sly is any less than you think he is. This is how i and many other come to believe that Sly is not 5'10".
bobo said on 5/May/09
Anonymous: You do need to be short to wear lifts. You need to be bald to wear a hair piece. At least short in your own mind.

you state: "I don't think anything under 5.10 is short"

Which is as mad as the rest of your post. So what do you think is short? Does 'short' exist in your world? Is Tom Thumb a tall guy, mmmm?

I know its subjective, but it seems these guys who are obsessed with their heights are obsessed for a reason...cos they aren't as tall as they would like to be...and 5.11 is a pretty decent threshold for feeling short or tall...How many celebs over that height wear those silly Diesel/Stallone/Pitt shoes? I think the 5.9 listing is accurate, i know anonymous and leonari thinks this is ridiculous but the weight of common sense is not on their side.

Lift wearers have to be short. At least in their own minds. Stallone wears 'em, Pitt wears 'em, Diesel wears 'em. What does that tell you? These guys are 5.11 barefoot? I don't think so, and neither do many others.
bobo said on 5/May/09
Leonari and annonymous:

why am I ridiculous for stating less than 5 10 for Stallone? Why is this a joke? Thats what he listed as. I agree with Rob. Its the 5 11 claims which are frankly a little worrying. He never looks it. Ever. And he is the same height as Statham IN SILLY SHOES.

I never see you on Statham's thread arguing for HIS increase in listing.

Why is that?

I don't know why you all get so upset. Stallone at 5.9 is fine with me. I don't treat it as a personal insult if some celeb is short.
gilipollas said on 5/May/09
If Sly was 5-10 NOBODY in the world would refer him as a "not tall man". If he was 5-10 he would be a TALL guy in Hollywood as a 5-10 guy with lifts can reach the 6 feet mark easily. Sly wears HUGE aburds shoes and still not a TALL man. Look at the very early movies of Sly in the 70s when he was skinnier...did he give the IMPRESSION of being a tall man? NO, he looked short. On the other hand we had Paul Newman that LOOKED tall when he was 5-9 ish. this is because he was skinny. Sly should look shorter than when he was in his 20s and he looks and actually is TALLER with lifts, obviously. 5-9 at his peak for Sly.
glenn said on 4/May/09
thats a joke.stallone had looked 6ft,6-1 to me plenty of times.in front of me.and next to dolph lungren(dont pull out rocky pics,im talking event pics)and other tall celebs.and he did look at least 5-11 or more next to statham.its plain as day stallone was taller.yet people saw them the same.even when there was weird angles or slopes,people still saw them the same.you dont see tom cruise ever looking more than 5-9.5.extremely rare he looks 5-10.thats cause he is around 5-8 barefoot.morning.stallone always looks at least 5-11.and 6ft alot.6-1 on occasion.thats cause he is around 5-10.
Anonymous said on 4/May/09
bobo your ridiculous, you don't need to be short to want to wear lifts, and with that said what is considered short? I don't think anything under 5'10 is short. Also this site is for people to discuss and debate accurate heights for these celebs based on sightings, pictures and videos, even if it means fractions of an inch, in fact not too many people I know are even a solid number like 5'11 or 6' its just not realistic especially with how easy height can fluctuate. Anyway, I don't even know why I'm posting replying to your nonsense gibberish, everything on this site is open for discussion so why don't you relax and be a little more open minded

btw post pictures or videos to back up your "opinions"
Brad said on 4/May/09
CelebrityheightsIam 5'8".Com
Joseph said on 4/May/09
About the photo from Rocky 3, with Mister T, the latter has both camera and angle advantage; also, T seem to be wearing cowboy boots, which rules out any footware advantage for Stallone. 1,5" diffence seems likely, which would put Stallone at 176-177.
leonari said on 4/May/09
Bobo is a joke. Forget him. Shortish men...What a huge pile of bull.
glenn said on 4/May/09
leung also saw stallone in the flesh.unlike 98 percent of you.
glenn said on 4/May/09
a round of applause for leung.finally someone spoke up for me.well,at least my estimates.
glenn said on 4/May/09
that was early roger.so i might be taller.
gilipollas said on 4/May/09
soviet rebel, that video with arnold is funny. Sly looks as if he was standing on a box! its so RIDICULOUS trying to look taller that way. If Sly was the 5-8 guy he is people would like him even more.
Roger said on 4/May/09
Glenn, Stallone lifted looks a natural 5'9'' on the left photo (with you standing prolly around 5'7'' plus shoes).
Leung said on 4/May/09
Bobo, because you described Diesel, Stallone, and Pitt as
glenn said on 3/May/09
bobo-stallone was or is 5-10.5,5-10.75 out of bed.he averages 5-10.he isnt 5-11.it doesnt matter what he is out of bed or if those 2 high figures never existed.what does matter is,at some point in his life,and may still be,he is 5-10 at some point of the day.maybe its only out of bed.but im 100 percent on this.i have seen him in all kinds of footwear for 20 years.and i dont care if i was 5-7,5-8,i can tell when someone is 2,3 taller than me in sandals.or dress shoes.i recently saw diesel look 6-2.in big boots of course.but that would mean he is close to 6ft.if not that.these are not just my estimates.friends and peers of mine all agree with my estimates as they see these celebs more than i do.that solidifies my claims.
glenn said on 3/May/09
exactly annoyed.i agree.the 5-10 that is.
Annoyed said on 3/May/09
sly is between 5'9" and 5'10". I lean to 5'10" .
bobo said on 3/May/09
I am not one for all this 5.11 75 business. Its just silly, given the fluctuations. No one can state flat foot height to that accuracy from a couple seconds on a pavement. RObs listings are more optimistic the more famous the person. Its no big deal but I suspect Pitt will never be downgraded nor will Diesel despite ALL the evidence suggesting they are both below 5.11.

Rising Force was wrong cos he had a thing for 5.11. Plain and simple. He was pushing Stallone as 5.11. Thats not a bit odd?

He pushed Diesel as 5.11 WITH SHOES and then realized his mistake. It just got a bit comical thats all.

He should come back though, cos its people like him that make this so entertaining.

ANd who cares if some celebs are an inch taller when they get out of bed. Any height advantage is lost after an hour. THey get photographed at Premieres late at night and we get people saying: "Yeah but in a morning that guy is definitely 6 foot, but he could be 5.11.75" Its beyond daft especially when the guy in question has such a thing for clown shoes. You don't wear clown shoes unless you have a thing about your height, and you don't have a thing about your height unless you are short celeb who happens to play 'big man' roles like Diesel, Stallone and Pitt. All shortish men, otherwise we would have 6foot sightings without silly shoes. And we wouldn't even have silly shoes cos they would be at ease with their height. But they ain't.
Doug said on 3/May/09
Why isn't there a page for Ricky Hatton? Anyway the Filipino Manny guy is 5'6" and he was clearly on inch taller than Hatton who is often listed 5'6"-5'7". Hatton has a reach of just 5'5". Is it more likely Hatton is 5'5"?
glenn said on 2/May/09
bobo-diesel isnt 5-11? you never saw any of these celebs in person to be so sure.your goinhg against robs listings too with diesel and pitt.now pitt can be 5-10 to 5-11.diesel is 5-11 maybe late at night.5-11.5,6ft morning.so risningforce is wrong cause it doesnt match your estimates?
bobo said on 2/May/09
Brad. Very funny. Good ol' Rising did have a thing for alleging 5.11 for even the smallest celebs. 5.11 was his stated height for just about everyone (Diesel, Brad, Stallone). I think he needed to leave for his own sanity. Its good he took control of himself.

How tall do we think Rising was?
Roger said on 2/May/09
Maybe RisingForce had a breakdown due to the fact that his "Sly might be 5'11''" after he saw Sly unlifted in person.
glenn said on 2/May/09
annoyed-i will.but he is in bad shape.not to get too personal about him.like me,the site is less enjoyable.especially during stressful times.
Leo said on 1/May/09
Rob, you know I agree with nearly every one of your height gauges but I honestly think 5ft 8 for Stallone. He is an absolute tank of a man and appears taller than he is. He constantly wears lifts since he started out in the seventies. Mr T's absolute and utter PEAK height was 5ft 11 tops - he had 3 inches on stallone in Rocky 3. If you look at this picture (taken approx 3 years ago) we can estimate Mr T is 5ft 10. He's wearing converse runners, Stallone looks to be wearing pumped shoes but regardless is a visible 2 inches shorter than Mr T.
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Brad said on 1/May/09
Maybe he got employed by Sly, he seems to spin every photo ever seen on here.
Soviet_Rebel said on 1/May/09
Elevator Sneakers even while working out???

Very interesting picture...u can find the whole video on youtube.

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Blast me without mercy if it is OLD!

Anyway, IMHO, judging from the photos (specially those with Glenn) and knowing his love for moster elevator shoes, Stallone is 5,8" maximum.

TO EDITOR ROB (a little suggest): it's been years since i am lurking this site and i find it very interesting and funny, it has a good community too. I'd like to see a section dedicated only to the most hilarious images of celebrities wearing Elevator Shoes (frankenstein monster boots, platform etc..). Some one said Downey Jr.? LOL. What do you think?

PS= When i saw this picture Click Here i laughed my ass off!
Brad said on 30/Apr/09
General Rising I need your cavalry the indians are advancing, sincerely George Custer, 7th Cav, Little Slyhorn. Dispatch: Trooper Annoyed.
Don said on 30/Apr/09
rising really left?

good for him...he was getting dangerously close to a breakdown point with his whole "5'10.75 for sly" campaigns.

i think this is good for rising's physical and mental well being..he won't have to be burning the midnight oil anymore trying to find pictures of sly looking 6'2 in his frankenstein boots and writing thesis papers on a daily basis refuting other posts.

i am not kidding around at all. i think he made the correct decision. he's free to post all he wants but he will be better off not posting.
Annoyed said on 30/Apr/09
Glenn, could you tell risingforce via email , Annoyed says he should come back RIGHT NOW ! lol lol there is no need to leave over it all .
Brad said on 30/Apr/09
Rising must have seen Tellum's clip. I'm sure he'd find some way to dispute it. That's supposed to be a 5' 10.75" Stallone.
glenn said on 30/Apr/09
for anyone who cares,risingforce emailed me today.if he ever does come back,it could be months.or not at all.he does have personal problems.i emailed him first when he left.
glenn said on 30/Apr/09
annoyed-he was frustrated like i was.
mamonazo said on 30/Apr/09
At some common sense in here! I couldnt belive Glenn saying Sly was 5-10 ish. Sly was tiny in the 70s and he was an adult already. 5-8 for Sly.
Annoyed said on 30/Apr/09
whats this about Risingforce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? has he ACTUALLY left or been Banned !???!??

I hope neither is the case. Come back Rising ! goodness me!
Midget said on 29/Apr/09
Good find Tellem. If Mr T is around the 179cm mark as he gets commonly listed plus Sly-Dog doesn't appear to be in his lifts he does indeed look a legit 5'8" guy. Mr T has him by at least 2" even if the angle of the footage isn't front on this can still be easily seen. As for Carl, he looks evey bit of 6'1" there and would easily dwarf the mighty Rocky if they stood face to face barefoot.
THE REAL ANONYMOUS said on 29/Apr/09
Those are interesting pics TELLEM. hmmm, Mr. T owns him wearing cowboy boots, even when Sly is packing some serious heels.
Brad said on 29/Apr/09
Maybe he ought to just use sandals running. Yes Tellum he's getting owned by T and Carl. When he gets caught, he gets caught.
TELLEM said on 28/Apr/09
stallone, carl weathers and mr. t.....several shots from them from rocky III. he looks 5'8 Click Here
leonari said on 28/Apr/09
how do you see he is in lifts??
miko said on 28/Apr/09
I can't stop laughing at Sly running in those.

You ever see a woman trying to run in heels? The guy is a proffesional and knows every trick in the book, apart from running flat out in his lifts!
antonio said on 28/Apr/09
I was embarrassed for him.

You gotta love this guy, though. There will never be another like him.
Brad said on 27/Apr/09
You can see how hard Sly is trying to run in those huge custom boots. A clumping shuffle.
RandomLeftCoastGuy said on 27/Apr/09
Exactly 5' 9." I was at a show when he arrived -- still dressed in his Demolition Man uniform, and accompanied by a posse that looked to be carefully chosen to all be 5'7" to 5'8." Sensitive? I think so!
antonio said on 27/Apr/09
Ian - Go to the "TMZ" website and search "Stallone Falls". Maybe a 62 yr. old man shouldn't do his own stunts ... especially with lifts!

Thank God he didn't get hurt.
derek d said on 27/Apr/09
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Running in 4.5 inch lifts? Well I don't know about that.... But I think he might of been running in at least 3 inche shoes in this vid from his new movie..... Check out the ending, hilarious LOL. This is why you should never run in custom boots....
Zach said on 27/Apr/09
Seriously guys, whatever your opinions, can we please leave out the expletives. Rob has said many times he wants to keep this site clean as kids come here too. Risingforce started using the $ below to get round the filters and a few others now seemed to have followed suit, using abbreviations etc. Let go back to keeping the debates clean please.
Mickey said on 27/Apr/09
Bam, i can't really see Sly being 5'9.5". I mean it is only a little half inch difference, but then its like "where does it end, why not 5'10"" He is closer to 5'9"(to me) then he is to 5'10". I do believe on bad long days he could dip into the high 5'8"s.

And Doug, you can believe Sly is one inch taller then Jason, but i did show you pictures where Jason was as tall, or taller, so as i have said, they are most like very very close in height. And Sly being in lifts does have a major impact.
Mickey said on 27/Apr/09
Ian, no one said he is in 4.5 inch lifts. His shoes do look very large in the full body shots. Also who said Sly is doing stunts the day that picture was taken? You do know he is also directing the film too.

And showing us a picture where both Jason and Sly are mid-stride with Jason not standing as straight is not good proof in my opinion. Rising had pictures where Sly was taller, and i have pictures where Jason was taller. So chances are they are the same height(5'9) or very close to it.
Midget said on 26/Apr/09
Great pics Mickey.Good range of shots to judge Sly's haight compared to other celbs.
Ian said on 26/Apr/09
Brad says on 21/Apr/09
Just under 5' 11" is a joke of epic size. Out of bed height is a joke.
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You just can't run around and do your own stunts in 4.5" lifts it is not possible. Stallone is at least 5ft10 in my opinion. I would go with his claim that he's 5ft10.5 and he looks it, he really does.
bam said on 26/Apr/09
rob you should reset this page like last time....
THE REAL ANONYMOUS said on 25/Apr/09
Zach my bro I agree 100% with your last statement.
Doug said on 24/Apr/09
Stallone is an inch taller than Statham, regardless of lifts. Stallone is 5'9.5", Statham 5'8.5". Not much between them about an inch.
bam said on 24/Apr/09
at worst stallone is 5'9 in the statham pics. But are you guys willing to accept the possibility of stallone being a hair taller? 5'9.5? I have a very difficult time seeing shorter... what do you think rob?
ACG said on 24/Apr/09
Aw, f***, we lost Rising Force?!? I don't know if he'll read this, but Rising: you were a good man. 2nd only to glenn in your contributions to this site. In both quantity and quality.

I'm sorry it had to end like this but yes, I understand and respect your reasons for leaving.

Sucks that the internet a**holes always seem to win.

Mikew: STFU and GTFO.....seriously. Go look at the hundreds of pics on this site- glenn is 5'8 or very close to it. How can you....WAIT, why am I even bothering with this crap? Like glenn said, some people only believe what they want.

Unfortunately for Mikew, he is alone in his opinions and HE is quite obviously the delusional one.
glenn said on 24/Apr/09
mikew-its your insistence that im delusional or that i get upset thats annoying.i get upset cause people like you nag on how im 5-7 or below,yet its clearly stated by rob and i that it was my lowest height during the course of a long stressful day,little sleep all week.walking miles with a heavy bag.rob is near 5-9 when he wakes.ok?.im near 5-8.
glenn said on 24/Apr/09
mikew-enough.i call for a truce.and no,its not delusional.your calling rob delusional now too? im around 5-8.one last time.only when i wake.i shrink,fast,hard and low.to around 5-7.wow.whats so hard to understand? you have people here that dont want you around.quit it.go back to discussing stallone please.yes,you mention like insulting family,well these guys are family to me.thats why they back me.plus,they call it as they see it.they dont like something,they tell me.zach and mickey are family too.
Mikew said on 23/Apr/09
leonari: you quoted me accurately, which was written in response to the ridiculous charge that my opinions about Glenn's height are biased. My statements regarding Glenn's height are based on objective, verifiable evidence that we've all seen (i.e., measurements). My comment was not an ad hominem attack. By contrast, the unsupported claim that Glenn is 5'8" is just that, unsupported and, frankly, delusional.
Zach said on 23/Apr/09
In almost all the pics Sly and Statham are looking even in height. You'll obviously get the odd abberration where one or the other looks taller but in the majority there looking even. Sly is also wearing elevator footwear almost all the time (yet to see one Expendables shot where he isnt wearing boots), which makes me think he's fractionally shorter than Statham's 5'9. I can accept anything upto 5'9 though, and very much doubt he's anything below 5'8.5.
bam said on 23/Apr/09
mikew, glenn is 5'7.5 by strict standards. Thats near 5'8.
leonari said on 23/Apr/09
Mikew: I quote:"it is you who needs to keep his biased, actually delusional, opinions to yourself." Now thats civilized?? Really? I think you are an arrogant fool who enjoys bashing people. Thats why I called you a *****. And I stand by by my comment. Ok don't go to hell. But do as all a a favor and leave this forum. How about that?
miko said on 23/Apr/09
We really appreciate your work on here Mickey, keep it up.
mamonazo said on 23/Apr/09
i MET Sly twice and enough for me to know hes a short man. I'm 1.84 and im not a tall guy and i felt huge beside Sly! The funny thing is that Sly was wearing massive monster shoes and probably lifts inside. He looks ridiculous with those as he was standing on a box to try cheat everyone about his complex. He was also wearing a front hair piece and the botox makes his face weird. IM a huge fan and I love the guy but its better to age naturally as paul newman for example. Sly is 5-8 max and with his tricks he reaches the 5-10 ish mark. Thank you all.
bam said on 23/Apr/09
the man does look 5'9ish a lot.
Brad said on 23/Apr/09
Keep throwing them up Mickey, great photos.
Mickey said on 23/Apr/09
Also in regards to Rising, i won't say anything slanderous about him, as i don't feel that way. I said what i said, and still stand by it. He got offended, which is acceptable, but the profanity was not needed, not the first time either. But i don't have anything personal against him as i don't know him. I just know what i saw and read through his posts.

In regards to Glenn, he has always been respectful to me, and i have to him. He has seen Sly many times, he has proof of this. He believes Sly to be in the 5'10" region, which is totally fine, i cannot say to Glenn "no your wrong" because Glenn has seen Sly in the flesh. I cannot/will not even try to convince him otherwise. Do i think he is wrong? Yes, otherwise i wouldn't think Sly is 5'9" and put in this kind of effort. But i won't argue with Glenn, as he sees what he sees, and i see what i see. So give him a break, no one is saying you have to believe him.

Also to the people that think people like myself, Zach, Tellem and others have something against Sly and want him to be 5'8", that is not true. I have several of Sly's movies on DVD suchs as Judge Dredd, Lock up and Get Carter. But the reason i think he is 5'9" is because he looks it soooooo often. If he did not, i would not have so much photos etc showing him look it. Its not "if Sly was really 5'10" he would not wear lifts" or "I hate Sly as a person, im gonna think he is 5'9"". It really is what i see him as.
Mickey said on 23/Apr/09
Doug i don't think Sly hits 6'1" in lifts. He might look it due to camera advantages, having better posture than the other person and massive lifts but if you measured him in lifts, i think he would only hit 6foot tops. Look at this:

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Huge lifts, easy 3 inches.

Getting owned by a genuine 6'2" Graham McTavish by 4.5 inches:

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This is with a real 6'2" guy, not Arnold who may be 5'11", not Bruce Willis who slouches and might be in the 5'10" range as some claim. Sly can't even get close to being 6'1" here with McTavish. And it is a full body shot. McTavish is slightly closer to the camera i acknowledge this. McTavish would be 6'3.5"(being generous, his shoes look thin) in dress shoes give or take and Sly is 4.5 inches shorter, give Sly an inch(and that is being very generous) for being slightly further from the camera and Sly is 6foot max in massive lifts here.

More, Sly in massive lifts once again, full body shot:

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More:

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What about Sly looking at least 2 inches shorter than a slouched 5'11"(proven by boxing records) Mickey Rourke?

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And Bam, You cannot say we have to accept Sly to be taller then Jason Statham, we can are free to believe whatever. Anyway what do you think of these shots, theres a big chance Sly is wearing lifts too as his shoes did look big:

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Eye to eye, with Sly standing closer to the camera.

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Jason is slouched at still looks same height as Sly. No sloped surfaces, no illusions.
Doug said on 23/Apr/09
Now we know that Stallone is way off 6' barefoot given his fetish for elevated footwear but he is still an average height man, not short.
Doug said on 23/Apr/09
Somebody show mamonazo Stallone looking 6'1" again. Mamonazo, Stallone regularly hits the 5'11er" range in boots. He is easily 5'10" in lifts. In his best lifts he hits 6'1"! A guy who is struggling with 5'9" flat couldn't pull off 6'1" unless he was wearing platforms.
Doug said on 23/Apr/09
I agree with Jenny- I think 176cm is more correct. I don't think he is quite 5'10" because of the Mr. T comparison but Stallone at 5'9.5" and Mr. T at 5'10.5" seemed right in the 80s. I think of it this way. Most of the time I believe Stallone looks 5'11-6" in his lift boots. I believe these give him a two inch height boost (which is pretty huge) so without them he is 5'9-5'10". Seeing him barefoot he looked like 5'9.5" compared to the sexiest woman alive in the 90s, Sharon Stone.
glenn said on 23/Apr/09
mikew-brahahahaha.read leonari's post.and read bams post.now read mine-your a jerkoff.now read all 3,and repeat.your words mean nothing to me.you,annoying me does.i suggest you forget i exist.i promise to do the same for you.strange how 3 people think your a jerkoff.get the hint?
glenn said on 23/Apr/09
brad-i gotta hand it to you.your precise on most of your guagings.even me at below 5-7.at some point i am,at least.but i know im right that stallone is 5-10.maybe he drops to 5-9 at some point.but he is,or was 5-10.i hope the $ thing wasnt personal towards me.i may not have money.but i know im real.not a fake.
bam said on 22/Apr/09
mikew you are a jerk.
Brad said on 22/Apr/09
Glenn better get a coffin ready (Fistful Of Dollars) if he thinks Stallone is 5' 10" on that bet. I should have bet Rob some site dollars Glenn would come up under 5' 7" in one of the measurements. I'd have bet Glenn but he says he's kinda not jingling in his pocket.
Mikew said on 22/Apr/09
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Glenn: it is you who needs to keep his biased, actually delusional, opinions to yourself. The only conlusive thing I know about your height is that you are about 5'6.75." It's amazing how much the truth bothers you; frankly, I don't think it's that big of a deal that you are 5'6'.75, but apparently you do. As far as editor Rob is concerned, he only knows what he has measured you at and what you CLAIM via "morning height," your favorite expression. Get it through your head: you are not 5'8," no matter how many times you cry on this board and accuse others of "negativity," not when you "wake" and yes, even without carrying around all of your "bags all day" and even with lots of sleep.
riskman82 said on 22/Apr/09
It's obvious that stallone is not 5'11 or even 5'10...because even with that forced posture and huge shoes he doesn't look tall next to people..a real 5'10 guy would..so 5'8 or 5'9 is pretty much right.
bam said on 22/Apr/09
brad, if you see stallone as shorter than jason, then this attests to the mindset of those who think stallone is 5'8, 5'8.5. They have the listing in mind before they make an assessment. I bet you if that was any other actor next to jason, standing at stallone's height you would peg the guy at 5'10.

Thats the stallone "anti-effect". People peg him shorter than he really is. Of course, walking down the streets of new york if you see stallone, you may very well see him at 5'7 due to sloping pavements, etc...
5'9 is still very possible, but I do believe glenn has stated he would bet his life that stallone is 5'10.
Brad said on 22/Apr/09
Stallone has never seen 5' 10" in his life except in shoes. Rising would find a way to defeat height measurement devices like photo radar if Sly failed on one of those. Write an essay about Big Mac hamburgers. "Stress" oh please.
glenn said on 22/Apr/09
let me correct myself.if not 5-8,close to it.conclusive evidence showed how low i can get.get your facts straight before you bring me into it.even rob said i was 5-7.75 to 5-8 morning.yet,you go against what rob says too.rob is near 5-9 when he wakes.thats why the difference.and i was up for days with little sleep,up early.when i was use to sleeping all day pretty much my whole life.im 5-7.25 to 5-7.5 in pics.and i guess over a dozen people on the site were also pathetic in backing me up.6 of which all claimed to lose more than an inch under similar experiences and one i respect fully who's been on the site longer than my 3 years,lost 2 inches! leave your biased opinions to yourself.
The Ben said on 22/Apr/09
i like risingforce... i like his posts and pictures...
glenn said on 22/Apr/09
mikew-i was gonna keep silent,but since you mentioned me,i hate to tell you,im 5-8 when i wake,and stallone is around 5-10.keep the negativity to yourself.your entitled to your opinion.just keep me out of it.please.
glenn said on 22/Apr/09
leung-i emailed him pretty much those words.he will take a break,but is not sure of returning.i know how he must feel.i too had a bad year personally,and didnt need the crap from last week.risingforce is having personal troubles too this year.everyone i know is having a bad year actually.lol.got to laugh at it sometimes.
Leung said on 21/Apr/09
RisingForce,
Sounds like you need a break from this website but there is no reason to totally abandon because of some negative comments. Take a break, don
Mikew said on 21/Apr/09
Good riddance Rising: got a chuckle out of his claim that he has "far too much stress in my life (to continue on this site)." Who's he kidding? His whole fanboy life IS attempting to promote Stallone as 5'10.75 or 5'10.0, depending on the state of his delusion at the time, and in turn, bumping every celebrity within "six degrees" of Sly (note his impassioned and pathetic defense of Glenn as somehow being 5'8," despite conclusive evidence to the contrary). Posts the same, redundant and extremely long essays all of the time, accompanied by misleading pics with Sly getting "help" (which he admits) and the corollary "argument" that Sly "must" be 5'10" (or 5'10.75") because a shorter man "couldn't look that tall." As George and others have stated, all pics in which he has "help" need to be dismissed out of hand, period, end of story. After properly dismissing the pics in which he has "help," we are left with the other batch of pics, the ones that reveal his true height (see, e.g., photos with Frank Stallone, Ernie Els, and Dennis Hopper and Jack Nicholson in golf shoes, etc., etc.). For crying out loud, look at the photos with Els (yes, I realize that there are variables which prevent a precise measurement), but it's obvious nonetheless that that is not a 5'10" or even a 5'9" man standing next to the 6'3" Els. Unfortunately, finding pics these days in which Stallone is without his customs is increasing becoming more and more difficult.
Brad said on 21/Apr/09
Yes Steve, catch Sly on the beach and he gets owned. Great photos Mickey. Hey Rising here's an insult: it says 5' 9" above. In "effect" he is. Just under 5' 11" is a joke of epic size. Out of bed height is a joke. After 5 hours you are settling in to your realized height.
George said on 21/Apr/09
RisingForce, insulting comments aren't supposed to be approved in the first place however Rob needs the money from all the ads on this site so he approves them anyways.
Parker said on 21/Apr/09
Rising - Don't let people spoil your enjoyment of the site. You always back up your posts with proof/explanations, which is more than a great number of people on here do like the idiots currently on the Cruise page saying a he's a strong 5'4.

Yours are always good contributions. Ignore the barbed comments, reply to the people who are debating constructively.

I can see where your coming from with Sly at 5'10, although must admit I'm leaning more towards 5'9 now....but I really don't know. What I do know is he's not 5'7(laughable as Cruise being 5'5)
Jenny said on 21/Apr/09
Hi I'm here again.
Btw for the last time...I'm gonna say this, Sly is clearly more than 5'9"
I'm 174cm so i'll buy him 176 heads on!^___^
mamonazo said on 21/Apr/09
Sly has been growing taller and with more muscles over the years. In the 70s he was tiny with very narrow hips and brad shoulders in a natural way. even wearing cowboy boots he always appeared as a short guy. U can see it in the lenght of his arms being shorter than what it should be. Hes far from 5-9 or maybe reaches the 5-9 mark with his hair and a great posture. With lifts and thick sole shoes he can reach 5-10. id say hes 5-8 and now over 60 yeard old maybe shorter
Zach said on 21/Apr/09
Risingforce wont leave, guaranteed. He's a man on a mission here and hasn't even achieved the first step. Guy posts all over the internet trying to promote a 5'10.75 Stallone. Guaranteed he will post here again mark my words.

Mickey/Doug - yes Stallone was wearing those huge boots in Demolition Man. But at times in the film he was wearing even bigger, almost monstrous block heeled boots: Click Here

Here's a few more as to how he deceives the masses about his height:

Rocky: Click Here
Rambo: Click Here
Lords of Flatbush: Click Here
Over the top: Click Here
Escape to victory: Click Here
Staying Alive: Click Here
Cliffhanger: Click Here
Judge Dredd: Click Here
Don said on 21/Apr/09
rising,

we are all adults here. nobody here has some sort of vendetta to ostracize and humiliate you. sure some of us may have gone over the line a few times but so have you.

sure you don't exactly have profanity-filled posts and that maybe be your rationalization for thinking that you haven't done anything wrong. but that's just not the point. i just feel that you need to show a little less bias to your arguments and learn to look on both sides of the spectrum.

you want to think sly is close to 5'11? sure go ahead, it's free country. nobody's stopping you. but at least show some objectivity toward all evidences, instead of trying to think of laundry list of excuses for ones that show a shoter sly yet taking everything for granted for ones that show a taller sly. plus most of your arguments surround adding and subtracting height as you please and basing everything on assumptions and hypotheticals. i probably am not the only person on here who thinks that those arguments are not very convincing.
bam said on 21/Apr/09
the copland videos have me scratching my head.
glenn said on 21/Apr/09
i hope you change your mind risingforce.this is exactly what they did to me a few times.they make you want to leave the site.in fact its happening to me on the glenn page right now.all over almost,nothing.

Editor Rob
tellem gets heated a bit over some discussions, he shouldn't be calling rising an obsessed clown, that's not what we need on here.
Mickey said on 21/Apr/09
I'd take the picture where both of them are either standing properly or better yet, Sly having better posture Rising. In your picture they are both slouched. I noticed in one of your other pictures with Statham they were both slouched too, which doesn't really show us much. Also have you taken into consideration that Sly might have big lifts on?

In regards to Pitt being listed at 5'11". Pitt never wore lifts early in his career when this height was stated, and Pitt actually rarely looks shorter then 5'10"-5'11". Sly on the other hand has been seen looking 5'7", 5'8" 5'9" and 5'10" and has been wearing lifts since at least the first Rocky. Pitt does pretty much look 5'11" alot of the time, whilst Sly does not look 5'10ish" alot of the time.

Also for a "light hearted site" as you called it, thanks for using profanity.
Mike said on 20/Apr/09
Sly's been seen as low as 5'7-5'8 from 2 out of the 3 people who have honestly meet him on this site Arnold was seen at 5'11 2 yrs ago, does it mean they are that height? No but its possible, except with Arnold hes between 5'11 to 6'1 ..Sly is somewhere anywhere/somewhere between 5'7 to 5'10.5
Don said on 20/Apr/09
rising,

Copland does have some good shots that show clear height discrepancy. for example, go the clip Click Here and pause the clip at around the 4:23 mark. you will see stallone standing up straight with his neck tilted a little bit but it's close to a full stance nonetheless. you will see that liotta even with his body bent over still has sly by plenty.

liotta is consistently more than 2 inches taller during the whole clip which rules out anything over 5'10 and up for sly.
Midget said on 20/Apr/09
Watch the latest Rambo film and you can see a few shots of sly loading stuff into his boat and the heel of his boots is clearly in shot. The heel alone is at least 4cm tall plus the internal lining and possible lift sliver as well. He can't possibly be anymore than 174cm/175cm max barefoot. Nearly all the other co-stars were still taller and they didn't have his dubious footwear.
RisingForce said on 20/Apr/09
I think I've said everything that I needed to say. I don't feel like posting here any longer. If any of you feel the need to continue to insult me when I'm not around to defend myself then that shows how classless some of you really are. I have far too much stress in my life to get more of it from a site that's supposed to be enjoyable. I honestly don't know why I posted here as long as I did. This is nothing against Rob or Glenn who I think have done a great job making this such an interesting site.

So whoever had a problem with anything supposedly bias or hypocritical that I posted then don't worry because you won't have to read it anymore. If any of you feel the need to continue to insult me then you might want to take a look in the mirror. Then you'll see who takes this site too seriously.

I appreciate the support and nice comments from posters like Glenn, Annoyed, Bam, Leonari and ACG. But I don't feel I should have to put up with constant insults for no reason, so I won't.
George said on 20/Apr/09
I think the main reason why Sly was alwasy classified as short is because on film he wears his 3-4'' customs and looks pretty tall yet when people see him without his customs they're very surprised that he's only 5'8-5'9 and start spreading rumours that he's "short". 5'8 and 5'9 is still pretty much around the average in America. What's the point of saying you're 5'10 if you're gonna wear 3-4'' customs that make you 6'0? Why not just stick to a 1'' shoe lift and make the 5'10 claim appear legit? Mabey then the whole world won't laugh at the fact that you're really sensitive about your height and always trying to look taller?
bam said on 20/Apr/09
you guys are going to have to accept that stallone is taller than statham. He could be a sneaky 5'9.5 guy, but I'm thinking more 5'10. I would bet you money that even rob thinks stallone appears taller than jason.

Like I said before look at arnold schwarzenegger. How can a 6ft man be estimated at 5'6? That logic is pointless. By your logic, surely arnold must be closer to 5'6? Its very possible for a 5'10 man to be estimated at 5'7. Just look at every 5'10 guy on this site. Even glenn in the flesh got estimated 5'6 to 5'10. Many people suck at estimating height.

George, 5'10 isn't short. Neither is 6ft. But arnold is called short often...
glenn said on 20/Apr/09
don-i took that into consideration,yes.keep in mind ive been examining sly in the flesh for 20 years.not one encounter.dozens in all kinds of footwear.yet,i too was attacked like risingforce.im done fighting here.he isnt doing anything wrong in my opinion.maybe is he over doing it a bit to some,but so what? he has to,as i and others back away from this page.they try to turn it into your doing something wrong,yet they disrespect you till you explode.then they point at you.nothing against you don.your cool with me.its plain as day that sly is taller than 5-9 or so statham.look at the length of their bodies.some say jason is 5-10.now i know thats probably not the case.but i read that for him.cause people want a 5-8 sly,they will attack risingforce or me till no end.and im not in the ring this time.i did that for years.
glenn said on 20/Apr/09
mcfan is actually pretty close.
TELLEM said on 20/Apr/09
how about the great evidence you completely miscalculated about 5'9 wesley snipes and 5'11 tom sizemore? snipes wasn't EVEN sizemore's height. he was about 2 inches shorter.this must be the typical upgrading just to put sly at 5'10, since snipes and sly were the same height.
RisingForce said on 20/Apr/09
Steve, tell me what great evidence I denied. I've admitted that he doesn't look as tall as my estimate in quite a few pictures.
RisingForce said on 20/Apr/09
No Don, I'm not the only person who has been harrassed and call names on this site.

The Brigitte Nielsen beach picture is not a particularly good picture because we have to somehow guess how much she stretches up to. She's bent over in the picture and it's impossible to know how much she's losing. Sly wouldn't be wearing boots in the picture I posted. He's been photoraphed barefoot or in sandals at the beach numerous times. Judging by how he's dressed I'd say it's safe to assume he was barefoot or in sandals in that picture. We know Brigitte is taller, by how much is any guess. I'd guess 2 inches.

The Liotta clip has one big flaw, that is that both of them are slouching heavily throughout the entire clip. How can I give an accurate estimate when neither stand straight once in the clip? He doesn't look 5'10.75" there, but I don't see more than a 2.5" difference between them.

And no my life doesn't revolve around this site. That's an ignorant comment, you have no idea what my life revoles around because you don't know me personally. In fact it's after 3:30 PM here and this is my first post.

That picture with Jason appears good Mickey, but there's also this one from the same day. Click Here Jason is closer to the camera, both of them are slouching and Sly looks taller. So atleast one of those pictures, possibly both of them must be off due to pavement most likely.

And no it's not absurd to suggest that Sly could be honest about his height. Brad Pitt is officially listed at 5'11" and gets listed at that here and he wears suspicious footwear and forces his posture as much as Stallone does.
TELLEM said on 20/Apr/09
great pics mickey, seems like he loves his lifts. but you can't convince someone whos stubborn as a mule and posts worthless 10 page essays day in and day out.
Steve said on 20/Apr/09
Don and Mickey both make excellent points. The beach pic clearly shows 6ft towering over sly and to date that's the only of them on the beach where feet can clearly be seen. Sly is no more than 5'8 going by that pic and that's being generous. Risingforce's daily essays on trying to boost sly's height have got to be some of the most biased and evidence lacking/twisting stuff ever copied and pasted on here. Having different opinions is fine but when someone starts denying the blatantly obvious (not estimates - I'm on about what's in pictures) combined with the sheer exaggeration only attracts ridicule.
mcfan said on 20/Apr/09
I would put Stallone at 5'9.5 peak and Kurt Russell at 5'8.5 - 5'8.75. There's a scene in Tango & Cash where the two are walking barefoot together and Stallone is clearly taller, but not to the degree that another guy commentor mentions...more like 3/4 to 1 inch. Russell has to be wearing lifts in several movies especially Tombstone. He was an inch taller than Tom Cruise (5'7.75) in Vanilla Sky so I really think the 5'8.75 is pretty darn close.
TELLEM said on 20/Apr/09
the fact that rising said 5'9 wesley snipes looked the same height as 5'11 tom sizemore is a riot. i've seen the film. go to the snipes page and you'll see how i exposed rising's desperate attempts just so he can have sly at 5'10. snipes was about 2 inches shorter than sizemore. that makes sly about 5'9 or less, since snipes and sly are about the same height.
Don said on 20/Apr/09
rising,

before you call out names and say that you don't deserve to be insulted on
think about the kinds of stuff you post. obviously, you don't realize it but your posts are full of bias and hypocrisy.

you do whatever it takes to post pictures that give your boy added height yet you totally disregard other legitimate pictures of sly looking shorter than usual. i will give you a good example. with the picture of sly with his arm around nielson at a beach setting, you just automatically assume that sly is barefoot and the ground level is even just because sly is somewhat measuring close to her when there is absolutely no evidence for either being the case. however, for the infamous beach photo where nielson is obviously owning sly (AND you can see his feet) you completely disregard it as a sham when a third grader can see that bridgette owns him. you totally disregard the copland clip with liotta when it provides exponentially more evidence than any of your pictures with sly wearing munsters you spewing out your usual hypothetical nonsense.

you come up with a bunch of excuses when there is a photo of sly looking small yet you don't take any of these account for pictures that make him look taller.

no one in here is on a mission to insult or ostacize you...people have better things to do than pick on some fellow whose life evolves around boosting sly's height everyday. but before you cry foul and think that you don't deserve any more stress than you do, think about the kinds of stuff you post first. you don't see anyone else on the board get picked on. why do you think that's the case?
Zach said on 20/Apr/09
Mickey says on 19/Apr/09
I want people to see the bias and hypocrisy.

Most of the discerning posters here clocked on to this a while ago.
Don said on 20/Apr/09
glenn,

but did you judge sly's height from the perspective that you were 5'7 or 5'8? you could have easily gone down to 5'7 when you met sly, yet you could have overestimated his height by an inch perhaps by thinking you were 5'8 at the time. (and estimating that sly was 2 inches taller) i am not trying to stir anything up, i am just talking about possibilities.
Mickey said on 20/Apr/09
Here we have another one where Sly is closer to the camera, Jason is slouching, and yet, they are the same height.

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Absurd theories about hidden platforms? You actually believe Sly would be honest about his own height when he is the most height conscious person in hollwood, quite absurd. All his shoes have some sort of platform:

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All these shoes have at least an inch platform running along them that is visible. They are also very thick at the front. This is not to try and convince RisingForce, you can all make up your own minds.
RisingForce said on 20/Apr/09
George, almost all action stars get short sightings. I remember a video on youtube where Arnold Schwarzenegger was walking and several people in the audience kept saying things like "Oh my god, he's short!" Do I need to dig out all of the articles making fun of Arnold's height? And he's a minimum 5'11", more likely closer to 6 feet.
glenn said on 20/Apr/09
don-then why should i bother providing anything? alot here dont believe anything i say anyway.luckily,my supporters outweight the negative
glenn said on 20/Apr/09
don-get your facts straight.mamun saw sly at 5-7.and im 5-8 straight out of like ive been claiming for years.
RisingForce said on 20/Apr/09
Are you kidding me Mickey? You're blind, that's all there is to it and you're the one that makes excuses when you don't have anything, not me. For example your terrible attempt to explain how Sly clearly looked close to 6'2", or explain the Tom Arnold picture. Or your absurd theories about hidden platforms, that's the stuff that someone will resort to when they're proven wrong.

Look at the level of their chin. Click Here It's not Sly's hat making his head clearly higher, it's the fact that he's taller. That's simple.

You can go on all you want about posture, but Stallone is slouching atleast as much as Statham here and Jason is closer to the camera. Click Here

You can laugh all you want, but I'm laughing that you think those absurd high angle shots prove your point. Because you clearly know nothing about pictures, high angle shots make the taller guy look shorter, just like low angle shots make the taller guy look taller. Those are facts, argue about them all you want, but you're wrong. Mamun pointed to this as a reason why Henry Winker looked closer to his height in his photo, because the photo was taken from a higher angle. Not nearly as high as those Statham/Stallone pictures though.

You think this is a good picture? Click Here

Well I guess the guy closest to the camera must be barely 4 feet tall or standing in a ditch. To prove to you how off that picture is just consider the fact that Sly appears 3 inches shorter than Jason and you claim Sly has a camera advantage. So that puts Sly at 5'6" max, possibly in lifts? Yeah, sure I can buy that....that's well short of your 5'9" estimate for him.

If you can't see that the picture is worthless for height estimates then you really are blind. So don't insult me by calling me a fan boy and don't act like I'm an idiot. I haven't insulted you, but yet you're acting like an a$$hole. But yeah, you're right...there's nothing off with a picture where Sly looks 5'6"(possibly in lifts) and he sure does have a camera advantage there too!

I really don't see why I should be CONSTANTLY insulted on what's supposed to be a light hearted website. As if some of you a$$holes assume I don't have enough stress in my everyday life. Some of you feel the need to pi$$ me off here.
derek d said on 20/Apr/09
To be honest I don't see how any sighting of sly can be helpful, 95% of time he is wearing lifts. Unless he's barefoot,in sandals or normal shoes your seeing him in lifts.
Mickey said on 19/Apr/09
Doug, Sly was wearing absolutely massive lifts in Demolition man, i'l show you:

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Staggering, a minimum of 3 inch lift here. Thats why he looked taller than Snipes.
Mickey said on 19/Apr/09
RisingForce says on 18/Apr/09
Mickey, I'm sorry but those last 3 pictures are terrible. The angle is taken from far too high so it's impossible to tell anything from them.

HAHAHAHAAH, thank you Rising, this is what i wanted people to see. This is what Rising resorts to when he has been shown he is wrong, or could be wrong. The angle is too high up?! Please, this coming from a guy who parades pictures with Sly standing much closer to the camera, pictures with Sly on the beach, movie scene where both people are walking, amoungst many other absurd pictures.

There is nothing wrong with those angles. Statham is taller in the pictures i posted.I already explained why Sly could look taller in your pics(lifts, better posture, Statham slouching). Their eyeline looks the same Rising, and even if its a bit off, Sly has camera advanage, explain that please?


But you won't accept or even acknowledge any of it, because your a Stallone fan boy, thats how i see it. Sorry if this seems harsh, but i have never ever writen off one of your pictures just by saying "the angle is terrible" or "Sly is probably bending his knees" like you have. Good sportsmanship on your part(sarcasm).

I want people to see the bias and hypocrisy.
George said on 19/Apr/09
One thing is for sure - Stallone is nothing above 5'9, except of course when he wears his 3-4'' customs which make him appear to be 6'0. The photos of Stallone in golf shoes are the only credible pictures on this entire site because we know for certain he isn't packing 3-4'' lifts in them. There is no point of arguing over all these silly photos you people post on this page of Sly standing next to other actors because he was packing huge lifts in his shoes when these photos were taken. I think that the people who argue that Sly is taller than 5'9 are basically big fans of his and are just here to defend him. Why would a legit 5'10 or 5'10.5 man be called short? Don't give me excuses like because he is an action movie star and people expect him to be tall because there are tons of other action movie stars who are average height as well yet they never get classified as short.
RisingForce said on 19/Apr/09
No surprise. Brad ignores my pictures where Jason has visible advantages and still looks shorter. Click Here Click Here

What do you think of those pictures Brad. Those 2 pictures, honestly look at them and tell me he's shorter than 5'9" minimum Jason Statham.
RisingForce said on 19/Apr/09
George, Arnold Schwarzenegger gets called short all the time these days and he's listed here at 6 feet. Even back when Arnold was 6'2" in his prime there were tons of 5'10" estimates for him. People expect these action heroes like Stallone and Schwarzenegger to be huge, that makes them seem smaller than they are when they meet them.
Don said on 19/Apr/09
bam,

a bunch of people, including mamun and others saw stallone at 5'8-5'9. mamun saw sly eye to eye. so what's ur reasoning behind believing glenn (who for the longest time claimed himself as 5'8 when he wasn't and may have overestimated sly's height) but not mamun, a proven 5'8 guy?

as far as i know there are as many 5'7-5'9 sightings as there are 5'10 if not more. you just can't disregard all the 5'7-5'9 sightings and think that they are products of underestimating/sensationalizing just because you believe he's 5'10 based on some very weak evidence above.
George said on 19/Apr/09
bam, I highly doubt anyone would mistaken a legit 5'10 for 5'7. Most 5'10 guys claim 5'11 and I myself know a few people who believe my legit 5'10.5 brother is dead on 6'0 (since this is what he claims). Most people don't realize how tall 6'0 really is and will often mistaken guys in the 5'10-5'11 range for being legit six footers. 5'10 could only be considered short in a few European countries but definetely not in America, where the average is around 5'9-5'9.5 I believe. In the NBA, players who are 5'10 are listed as either 5'11 or 6'0.
bam said on 18/Apr/09
don, people saw arnold schwarzenneger at 5'6, and 5'7. Glenn mentioned 6'1 photogs who saw a 5'11ish arnold, and sensationalized it to 5'7. So does that mean arnold is 5'7? Even in his peak, I think there were alleged short sightings. So a legitimately tall man called short?

What about an averagish guy being called short? 5'10 is a common height, and can easily be mistaken for 5'8, or 5'7. Besides you have stallone way taller than a 5'7.5, 5'8 guy right in front of your nose.
Brad said on 18/Apr/09
That's not a man who even is 5' 10" with Jason. He's as he is: 5' 8.5".
Doug said on 18/Apr/09
He was surprised as he always thought Snipes was around 6'!
Doug said on 18/Apr/09
Snipes wears lifts thats why he stands close to 6' in some of his films. Snipes was shooting a film in my native Wales a while back and a friend of mine saw him out on the town. I asked him recently how tall Snipes was roughly and he said he was a "very average" height around 5'9". I thought Stallone looked noticeably taller than Snipes in Demolition Man, google image them I thought Stallone was clearly taller?
Doug said on 18/Apr/09
Snipes IS NOT 5'10". He is 5'9" max. He is a known lift wearer.
aashray sharma said on 18/Apr/09
i thaght he would be 6.2
X-Man said on 18/Apr/09
Mickey's pics show couple of things...how an action hero icon (Stallone) has aged. Second, notice the over sized boots Stallone is wearing next to Statham.
RisingForce said on 18/Apr/09
And no Mickey, my comment about Snipes possibly being 5'10" had nothing to do with the picture posted here. But since talk is cheap, here's proof. DejaVu's picture was posted on April 15th as you can see below.

Here's a post I made on April 9th on The Wesley Snipes page after watching Passenger 57 again.

RisingForce says on 9/Apr/09
Snipes actually looked every bit as tall as 5'11" Tom Sizemore in Passenger 57, even in full body shots! He's certainly not less than 5'9" and I'm wondering about 5'10" at this point.

Obviously a misunderstanding, but there's the proof. I was thinking Snipes could be 5'10" 6 days before the picture of him and Sly was posted.
RisingForce said on 18/Apr/09
My previous estimate of Matt Damon was idiotic. I thought he was shorter because of his stocky build. I looked at him next to more people and he was obviously 5-10. I'm not making up excuses at all.

How you see Sly and Jason the same height in that picture is beyond me. Matching up their eye levels isn't accurate because we can't see both of Sly's eyes. One of them could be higher than the other depending on his head position just like Jason. Look at where Jason's lower eye is Click Here For all we know Sly's lower eye is the one you were comparing it to. Look at Stallone's chin compared to Jason's as well. It's much higher, and how much higher do you really think Sly's hat would sit on his head. Stallone is taller there.
Mickey, I'm sorry but those last 3 pictures are terrible. The angle is taken from far too high so it's impossible to tell anything from them.

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It's painfully obvious that Sly is ATLEAST an inch taller in each of those pictures with no advantages. Look at the pavement, if anything it favors Jason and look who is closer to the camera.
Mike said on 17/Apr/09
Sly....Glenn says 5'10 Frank/Manum 5'8...Sly equals 5'9......... current Arnold Glenn 5'11 Bronstein (on video and email) 6'1 Arnold equals 6...Willis is a lil shorter then Arnold...I really dont believe a 5'7 Sly could be close to looking 6 feet but I believe a 5'8.5 to 5'9.5 Sly can look around 6 feet
Mickey said on 17/Apr/09
Sorry Rising but it looks like your making up excuses out of no where now. Top of their heads? Um they are wearing hats, hence why i lined in their eye lines.

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Ok so the far shot may not be the best pic, but what about these:

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Sly standing closer to the camera in all shots, standing much straighter and yet Jason still looks taller. A legit 5'10" man with all those advantages and lifts should trump a 5'9" man, and yet, its not happening.

And TELLEM, Rising always goes back on previous comments where he says "Damon is 5'9", not a hair over", then you show him a certain picture where Damon and Clooney look the similar height and he will say "Damon could be 5'10", just to match his belief that Clooney is 5'11ish. Same situation here with Snipes and Sly.
RisingForce said on 17/Apr/09
I never said in that post that I think he's defintley 5'9" either. I said he could be either 5'9" or 5'10". I'm unsure on Snipes, I've seen things that suggest either figure. This picture with 5'10.5" Ving Rhames suggests that he's more 5'10" than 5'9". Click Here

Because you clearly missed my point, I'll make it a lot more simple. Snipes can look anywhere from 5'9" to 5'11"(possibly even 6 ft as Glenn saw him once). Obviously he's no taller than his own 5'10" claim at the most, but his height is all over the place.
TELLEM said on 17/Apr/09
RisingForce says on 17/Apr/09
Tellem, how can you say that Snipes leaning doesn't make him shorter? Connery is closer to the camera in that picture. I'm not saying if I think he's either 5'9" or 5'10". My point is that there's a good chance he could be either.

risingforce, i said snipes doesn't lose TOO MUCH HEIGHT. i never said he doesn't lose height. and you say your intelligent? LOL. you kept saying 5'10 is possible or "he could be 5'10 himself", never mentioning that you think hes 5'9. but thank you for finally clarifying it.
George said on 17/Apr/09
lol, mabey Sly had some custom made sandals where the visible foot was actually an elevated slip-in manakin foot.
RisingForce said on 17/Apr/09
Mickey, Jason is visibily standing uphill in the first picture, They aren't even standing particularly close together. In your second picture Sly looks taller, look at the top of their heads, it isn't even close. In the pictures I posted Jason was closer to the camera, possibly uphill and Sly had no visible posture advantage. Consider Sly still looked noticeably taller in all 3 of those that's good enough for me.

Tellem, how can you say that Snipes leaning doesn't make him shorter? Connery is closer to the camera in that picture. I'm not saying if I think he's either 5'9" or 5'10". My point is that there's a good chance he could be either.

DejaVu, first of all Frank is listed here at 5-10.5 and I don't know how tall Frank Stallone is. My point is how can we assume he's 5-10.5? Glenn saw him more like 6 ft I believe as well. All I said was that he could be that, and I'd bet there's a better chance of being 6 feet than 5-10.5 based on his proportions and how tall he usually looks.

And Don don't say that nobody else buys Sly at 5-10, because that's not true. Glenn agrees with me that he's 5-10.75 when he wakes and atleast 5-10 on average. Leung also saw Sly face to face and said at worst that he was a weak a 5-10. leonari has always said he thought Sly was 5-9.5 or 5-10, bam has said both 5-9.5 and 5-10.75 and I believe he has him at 5-10 now, ACG estimates him at 5-10.75 and Gonzalo who posts on other pages of this site met him in sneakers and estimated him at just under 5-11. Doug also has him just under 5-10 I believe.
Don said on 17/Apr/09
bam,

what about dozens of other times when people saw sly at 5'7-5'9?

i think the 5'9 listing that rob has is reasonable enough
DejaVu said on 17/Apr/09
Risingforce so you label Frank as 6ft and Snipe as 5ft 10 to support your estimate? So according to you Frank should get an upgrade of 2 inches and Snipe an inch?
George said on 17/Apr/09
Hmm so I guess Sly is an inch taller in sandals than he is in Golf shoes with small lifts. Yeah, I don't think so...
Mickey said on 17/Apr/09
Glenn, you are entitled to your opinion like all of us, but i see no slope, and the angle looks very similar to the ones Rising posted. In the wide pic Sly is in huge boots, has camera advantage and is standing taller then a clearly slouched Jason. Sly should at least be as tall as Jason with those advantages even factoring in a possible slight ground disadvantage, but he is shorter. My opinion.

Now we will see Rising cry bloody murder over a little slight possible ground slope(and totally ignoring the other factors) but yet he parades a picture of Sly and Jennifer on the beach...
Don said on 17/Apr/09
rising,

sly looks an inch taller because his footwear is an inch taller. your pictures are again useless. glenn, if you can provide some reliable third party eye witnesses to the above pictures, that'd be good. but that still does not mean that i will still believe the pictures 100%
bam said on 17/Apr/09
don, theres absolutely nothing logical about what people on this site do, "analyzing" photographs. Just look around at pics of you with your friends and family. Would people guess your height to the exact quarter inch?
On this site, people have a height in mind, and find pictures that prove their fantasies. Just look at ANY 5'10 celeb on this site. People will insist the celeb is 5'8, 5'7, especially from sightings.
If you want to use logic, ask a guy who's seen stallone in the flesh numerous times. Sure maybe the pics could be distorted,but what about the other times glenn saw stallone at 5'10?
glenn said on 17/Apr/09
really george?.you ever met sly? are you calling me a liar? its rare,but he did in front of me.maybe the only time in his life,but i,and others that can back me saw it.people i know personally in the industry.
glenn said on 17/Apr/09
mickey-thats the angles that are making statham look taller.i see a slope too in the wide pic.
Mickey said on 16/Apr/09
Rising in regard to the pics with Statham, do we know whats in Sly's shoes? No. Statham on higher ground? Hardly, i don't see any proof oh this. Sly's shoes do look big as usual so its no wonder that he looks taller than Statham.

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Sly closer to the camera, Jason slouched, and yet Jason is taller. Sly is in MASSIVE boots as usual, yet shorter.

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Sly closer to the camera AND standing straighter, yet Jason is standing casually but see eye to eye with Sly. Note the big boots on Sly.
TELLEM said on 16/Apr/09
risingforce seems to be pegging snipes at 5'10 just so it can fit his 5'10 estimate on sly.
TELLEM said on 16/Apr/09
Risingforce: with the way snipes is leaning it doesn't make you lose too much height. and sean connery isn't standing straight either. again, the pic is tilted...thats 4.5 inches...here's another w/ both men: this time sean connery's head is tilted sideways. Click Here thats 4.5 inches...to have 4 inches on someone, your head is below the eyebrows, and snipes is lower than that.
glenn said on 16/Apr/09
i never refer to you brad unless you bring me up first.some here dont take you too serious.lets be civil with each other brad.i apoligized to you yesterday.yet,you always have a wisecrack.
glenn said on 16/Apr/09
i applaud your points don.but i have witnesses to both my encounters above.well respected people in photography.that will back me on that if needed.again,nothing is wrong with your post.
glenn said on 16/Apr/09
wow.great pics risingforce.some say jason is a hair taller than 5-9 too.lets leave him at 5-9.stallone looks at least 5-10 there.at least.

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